Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #10 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[Pensfan]

OK...hold on, you're in for a bumpy ride...and I hope it makes sense when I get it down on paper....LOL
First, for the past 2 days I've been reading tweets, retweets and answers to tweets from these wannabe "thuglettes". So, background, there is a HUGE following of the movie "Project X"....parties, etc. Apparently, on Mar 16th, there was a huge "Project X" party going down in Livermore, which, if I read correctly, was supposed to be attended by Fremont kids. SL's OWN tweets did NOT mention going to the party in any way shape or form...so I'm not saying she was planning ANYTHING wrong.
She CONSTANTLYwanted to go back to Fremont, visit Fremont, etc.
In one of her tweets, she mentioned needing "30 more followers to get to 300". It seemed a big thing when people "unfollowed" her.

Now, for ME, from what it gets "hella" confusing...sorry couldn't resist...LOL.
The determination that the unknown suspect or suspects in the possible abduction is familiar and comfortable with Morgan Hill is based partially on the location of Sierra’s home, Cardoza said. Police think she was likely picked up or abducted close to her residence.

“She lives in a secluded area,” Cardoza said. “There’s not much of a chance that she’s going to have contact with transients or strangers” who are unfamiliar with the area.

Cardoza clarified that the official designation of Sierra as an “involuntary missing person” could mean she was abducted, kidnapped, or she voluntary ran away but ended up with someone who turned out to have malicious intent.

No specific evidence so far points more heavily toward any one of those options, he added.

I wished we had info. on when her phone was tossed 30 feet off the road. It might not have been tossed until 2 pm or so (??) in the afternoon of March 16th when one of her old buddies and drove down from her old town to pick her up to take her to the Project X party.

Unfortunately, with LE looking in all the nearby percolation ponds, some fiber or substance on her clothing or purse was likely linked to the ponds or something near the ponds (RV carpet fibers?) and Sierra didn't disappear going to a fun party.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Or if someone close to Sierra had their fingerprint on the phone's off button? As in, hers was not the last one on it?

If they had another person's identifiable fingerprint on the off button then they would know who took her if they had fingerprint comparisons and those matched with any they have taken. I am sure they have those from anyone that may have been in Sierra's home recently.

That is usually SOP that those living in the home will give their fingerprints so LE can rule them in or out as having touched something.

There would be no reason for Marlene or Rick to have their fingerprints on Sierra's off button when it was tossed away.

I dont think its fingerprints. Fingerprints can identify someone 100% unless the fingerprint is from an unknown at this time. It may have been some kind of DNA found and they arent finding them in any criminal data base in order to be able to cross match them.

IMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

If they had another person's identifiable fingerprint on the off button then they would know who took her if they had fingerprint comparisons and those matched with any they have taken. I am sure they have those from anyone that may have been in Sierra's home recently.

That is usually SOP that those living in the home will give their fingerprints so LE can rule them in or out as having touched something.

There would be no reason for Marlene or Rick to have their fingerprints on Sierra's off button when it was tossed away.

I dont think its fingerprints. Fingerprints can identify someone 100% unless the fingerprint is from an unknown at this time. It may have been some kind of DNA found and they arent finding them in any criminal data base in order to be able to cross match them.

IMO

BBM

If they got a full fingerprint, it's 100% identifiable. In theory, anyway.

But partial fingerprints can match more than one person. The smaller the area of the partial, the more people it can potentially match.

So there's a grey area there. IF there is a partial print, it may point LE in a certain direction but not be enough, in and of itself, to support an arrest.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:seeya: I agree, Berry ...

BBM: The evidence of the purse with the "neatly folded clothes" AND the school books being found in the SAME location, clearly points toward someone who wants to point the crime AWAY from themself -- making it look like a "stranger abductor" did it ...

The evidence that has been reported so far "speaks for itself" ... a "stranger abductor" would have gotten rid of those items in a dumpster or disposed of them in water or with the victim ...

JMO ... but there seems to be a "message" about the purse and books ...

Again all :moo::moo::moo:

I have full faith in the local Sheriff's Department and the FBI who has been on the ground from almost day one. The FBI has been working cases like this for decades and I think they have fine tuned their investigations when investigating missing children's case.

I know I do not know what they know but I dont believe they can be mislead. This isnt their first rodeo unfortunately by any means. They have crossed paths with many different type of individuals over decades who were capable of doing this. After this long of time do I personally think they can be fooled? No, I really dont.

So if they have good reason to believe that Sierra has been kidnapped by stranger then I believe they know why they have come to that determination. They are the ones who have seen the evidence and have been at this for over a month.

They have never said they believe the books and purse were there to throw them off the track. All they have said is the items were found secreted away meaning 'hidden.'

Imo, they do know this was another crime of opportunity where another came along and took full advantage of Sierra's vulnerability as she was walking out of her driveway with every intentions of catching the school bus just like she had always done since living there., imo.

IMO

 

[Mendara]

Perhaps they have a DNA profile from her underwear if they were found in the bag and do not have a match, I think this was a first offense for this person and he may not be in any database. It could take years to indetify. They need to look at older males missing that Friday from their normal activities. Mo

 

[Pensfan]

Thanks for reading Sierra's texts and the Project X party info., MyTinkieGirl.

The way Sierra's tote bag and books were carefully placed isn't how a grab-n-go rapist would dispose of them. One possibility is that Sierra placed them there to pick up later.

Perhaps Sierra put on her hoodie to appease her mom or it was chilly that morning and underneath wore her "party shirt" to go to the Project X party. A friend going to the Project X party picked up Sierra, but told her that he/she wouldn't be able to drive Sierra back to Morgan Hill the next day. Sierra couldn't leave her school books and tote bag inside the friend's car and she certainly couldn't carry them around at the party. She decided to leave them by the cactus to pick them up when she found a ride back to Morgan Hill. She couldn't leave her books at home or her mom would certainly know that she skipped school. She didn't want her mom to locate her in another town at the party by using her phone's GPS (really easy to do), so she tossed her phone by the road.. She planned to tell her mom it was lost or stolen.

(I can see one of my sons doing something like this when he was 15. Blessedly, he grew out of this stage.)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Perhaps they have a DNA profile from her underwear if they were found in the bag and do not have a match, I think this was a first offense for this person and he may not be in any database. It could take years to indetify. They need to look at older males missing that Friday from their normal activities. Mo

Or perhaps younger males that may not be in the system.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

If they got a full fingerprint, it's 100% identifiable. In theory, anyway.

But partial fingerprints can match more than one person. The smaller the area of the partial, the more people it can potentially match.

So there's a grey area there. IF there is a partial print, it may point LE in a certain direction but not be enough, in and of itself, to support an arrest.

Morning!

True but even if they have a full print they must have a comparable print to make a match. They may not have that at this time.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for reading Sierra's texts and the Project X party info., MyTinkieGirl.

The way Sierra's tote bag and books were carefully placed isn't how a grab-n-go rapist would dispose of them. One possibility is that Sierra placed them there to pick up later.

Perhaps Sierra put on her hoodie to appease her mom or it was chilly that morning and underneath wore her "party shirt" to go to the Project X party. A friend going to the Project X party picked up Sierra, but told her that he/she wouldn't be able to drive Sierra back to Morgan Hill the next day. Sierra couldn't leave her school books and tote bag inside the friend's car and she certainly couldn't carry them around at the party. She decided to leave them by the cactus to pick them up when she found a ride back to Morgan Hill. She couldn't leave her books at home or her mom would certainly know that she skipped school. She didn't want her mom to locate her in another town at the party by using her phone's GPS (really easy to do), so she tossed her phone by the road.. She planned to tell her mom it was lost or stolen.

(I can see one of my sons doing something like this when he was 15. Blessedly, he grew out of this stage.)

Respectfully I dont see this happening. The purse was very expensive and I cant see Sierra walking out in a cactus infested area and hiding the purse and clothing.

Also if only Sierra's DNA was found on the purse and clothing then LE wouldnt come out and say they have found something from the lab results that has given them leads in hopes of finding the suspect.

There is a good reason why Marlene wasnt called in to visually look at the clothing(without touching them of course), imo. There is something on them that LE wants to keep close to their vest and it may even be not only trace evidence but may be the condition some of the clothing were in when found.

IMO

 

[concentric]

Or perhaps younger males that may not be in the system.

imo

Or, males from another country, who might not be in the U.S. system.

 

[Double Ewe]

It's unfortunate that the lack of evidence released is forcing us to venture further and further out with speculation. I believe LE is onto something. If they had ANY credible evidence that put a particular person or people in the spotlight, they would be all over it- questioning, interrogating, etc...

As much as we would love to know whether its fingerprints, DNA, SL's DNA, unknown prints or DNA, etc... They aren't going to release that information to the public. Why would they? The public is not doing the investigation.

I think LE is doing a great job and is quietly looking into what they know. I am going to try and just look at the absolute facts today (which I know isn't much). I think there are endless possibilities as long as we continue to speculate, but if we return to just the facts, we may narrow the range.

Just my morning thoughts.

 

[nursebeeme]

isn't there another klaas kids search today?

Hoping today is the day they get the lead that breaks the case wide open.

 

[concentric]

It's unfortunate that the lack of evidence released is forcing us to venture further and further out with speculation. I believe LE is onto something. If they had ANY credible evidence that put a particular person or people in the spotlight, they would be all over it- questioning, interrogating, etc...

As much as we would love to know whether its fingerprints, DNA, SL's DNA, unknown prints or DNA, etc... They aren't going to release that information to the public. Why would they? The public is not doing the investigation.

I think LE is doing a great job and is quietly looking into what they know. I am going to try and just look at the absolute facts today (which I know isn't much). I think there are endless possibilities as long as we continue to speculate, but if we return to just the facts, we may narrow the range.

Just my morning thoughts.

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The above I bolded.

Well, a mistake could also be made in the opposite direction by focusing further and further in, as time and distance leads outwards.

So, IMO, the investigation needs to focus inwards, outwards, and in between concurrently. And I'm sure that LE is doing that.

 

[Double Ewe]

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The above I bolded.

Well, a mistake could also be made in the opposite direction by focusing further and further in, as time and distance leads outwards.

So, IMO, the investigation needs to focus inwards, outwards, and in between concurrently. And I'm sure that LE is doing that.

Quite true. I was referring to "US" here at the forum who DON'T have all of the evidence.

 

[concentric]

Quite true. I was referring to "US" here at the forum who DON'T have all of the evidence.

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We never have all of the evidence. That is why we brainstorm possibilities.

 

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“The farthest [sighting] that I know of—I don't monitor all the tips—came from Arizona,” said Sgt. Jose Cardoza of the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office. “I know there was a sighting of her in Phoenix,

Anyone in the area, when they start searching along the I5 South from the 101 or you see any activity at all along that route please post.

Did they have they checked for anything under the bridges there? In the crawl spaces if there are any? That crosses the 101 and I5 I believe it is.

The only comment I have about the phone and purse. I think the phone was discarded not long after she left the area, and the purse and books were placed there after returning from another area, on the way out of the area. Though just guessing and speculating is all.

I still for now, don't believe she is anywhere in the Morgan hill area.
Because they have not released any details that would prove to me otherwise. We can only speculate on what we know.

 

[concentric]

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“The farthest [sighting] that I know of—I don't monitor all the tips—came from Arizona,” said Sgt. Jose Cardoza of the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office. “I know there was a sighting of her in Phoenix,

Anyone in the area, when they start searching along the I5 South from the 101 or you see any activity at all along that route please post.

Did they have they checked for anything under the bridges there? In the crawl spaces if there are any? That crosses the 101 and I5 I believe it is.

The only comment I have about the phone and purse. I think the phone was discarded not long after she left the area, and the purse and books were placed there after returning from another area, on the way out of the area. Though just guessing and speculating is all.

I still for now, don't believe she is anywhere in the Morgan hill area.
Because they have not released any details that would prove to me otherwise. We can only speculate on what we know.

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And, we don't know if one or more people, vehicles, or transfers could be involved.

 

[JDB]

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“The farthest [sighting] that I know of—I don't monitor all the tips—came from Arizona,” said Sgt. Jose Cardoza of the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office. “I know there was a sighting of her in Phoenix,

Anyone in the area, when they start searching along the I5 South from the 101 or you see any activity at all along that route please post.

Did they have they checked for anything under the bridges there? In the crawl spaces if there are any? That crosses the 101 and I5 I believe it is.

The only comment I have about the phone and purse. I think the phone was discarded not long after she left the area, and the purse and books were placed there after returning from another area, on the way out of the area. Though just guessing and speculating is all.

I still for now, don't believe she is anywhere in the Morgan hill area.
Because they have not released any details that would prove to me otherwise. We can only speculate on what we know.

I have been saying from the beginning of the second week she is no longer in the area.I strongly feel she is in Southren California area call it a gut instinct I have.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

All we have to do is watch where they have searched for weeks now to know that LE is fully convinced Sierra is deceased and has been for some time.

They have the evidence and they do the investigating. Now if only we knew what they know but (sigh) we dont.

There would be no other motive other than sexual to take Sierra away from her family.

IMO

I haven't been able to keep up with these threads, but Ive been watching the news lately, and Ive been wondering about this.

It seems strange to me that they are going back over all of the reservoirs. I dont know if this is standard protocol, but it seems like they have been using a ton of resources without even knowing if she left the local area.

It seems like they are convinced she is likely deceased (possibly just because of the time missing, and the nature of the abduction), but I still cant fathom what is leading them to search these specific areas.

Has it been discussed, what possible evidence they might have that is leading them in these searches?


There are only a few possibilities I can imagine:

1)They got a tip (from the perp) who hinted at her being dumped in a body of water.

2)They have a suspect in mind that owns a boat

3)Something was found on the purse that would normally only be find in one of these lakes (maybe contaminates or fish scales for example).

I mean, what could they possibly know that has led them to these search areas? California is huge, and the perp could have basically traveled 500 miles or more by the time anyone even knew she was missing.

Maybe the timeframe of the purse drop or the handcuff box/condoms suggested the perp didn't leave the area for more than a short while?

I dunno, its got me wondering.

 

[Double Ewe]

OT - Can anyone recommend a good criminal profiling book (or inside the mind's of criminals) preferably on NOOK.

Thanks.