Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #13 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[meganx3xo]

FaceTime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So...it is software to facilitate a video phone call from one phone/device to another (Apple only, tho).

Not sure why people have been saying Sierra is facetiming herself...unless she had both devices in her vicinity and initiated the call on one phone/device and answered it on another.

I think she had a Mac. So she would be able to FaceTime herself from (someone's/her) iPod touch (iPhone) and take the picture.

 

[houndstooth]

Smooth,
My questions were posed rhetorically, of course. Not that I expected anyone to have the answers.
Nor were they an exercise in which device is more efficient.
I don't have either one.
What I was trying to explore was "what good was it?" if she didn't use it, preferred not to use it, in order for it to qualify as her "beloved phone"?

It was more that I heard/read about an I-pod she no longer had and other people's phone than her own phone, that struck me and I thought worth exploring.
Thanks for the explanation.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Now there is a name from the past where is that guy?

In trouble!:what:

 

[bgmiller5]

**The above quoted posts are revolving around the cell phone, iPod and posts/tweets made from these phones/devices.. Instead of answering each one individually under each quoted post I've chosen to address them chronologically in order but all together below**

I believe that many of the posts that came via iPhone in earlier weeks and months prior to the disappearance came from Sierras iPod touch..This as we know will show up as posted via iPhone rather than iPod.. So IMO many of those earlier tweets or posts that are labeled as via iPhone were sent from Sierra's iPod touch..Sierra's iPod touch from which IMO many of her tweets/post came from.. This iPod touch was stolen from Sierra sometime in/around January.. Sierra then used her sisters iPod touch. <@cccairuh tweet Jan. 11 Sierra states her iPod had been stolen at some date prior and she was tweeting from sisters iPod touch which had her missing her iPod that had been stolen>&#8230; this IMO is obviously why and how there are tweets from Sierra that are posted via iPhone in the months and weeks prior to her disappearance..

With regards to Sarx concerns specifically of the white cased iPhone that Sierra is clearly seen using in the photo she posted the weekend prior to her disappearance..

These tweets/posts made 3/9,10,11 that are labeled via iPhone(including the photo Sarx is referring to with Sierra clearly holding and using a white cased iPhone 4/4s) were made when Sierra was staying with her friends in Fremont for the weekend celebrating friends bday).. It is moo that this is very likely the source for which these tweets/posts were made..
Below is the info from video along with the link which includes video interview of CF, her friend from Washington HS in Fremont whose bday it was that they were celebrating and that Sierra had spent her final weekend with prior to her disappearance.
<snipped link and info>
http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/fremont-search-expands-to-missing-teens-former/vGbDr/
-Sierra's whereabouts on the weekend prior to her abduction(3/9, 10,11) were in Fremont. *CF, *a friend and classmate from WashingtonHS is interviewed in the video and she states that it was her bday that weekend and that Sierra was with her celebrating her bday and that Sierra was upbeat and happy when they(CF and other friends from Fremont) last spent time with her less than a week before her disappearance.<snipped link and info from previous post in thread #12>

Just as sjsleuth states above in his/her post that I had quoted above you can verify for yourselves that Sierra posted this specific photo in question where she is holding the white cased iPhone 4/4s during her time spent in Fremont with friends celebrating CF's bday(3/9,10,11).. This too IMO explains why or where such photos as the pink bedroom that Sierra can be seen in is easily explained and is a home/bedroom of friends in Fremont with whom she spent the weekend of 3/9,10,11 with celebrating a friends bday..

Moving on to tweets such as ones posted within days, as in the week of her disappearance and where/how/why they are posted via iPhone..such as the one on 3/13 via iPhone that it was sent by Sierra during school hours by using a friends iPhone..

The other issue combined with those tweets/posts such as the one on 3/13 is what houndstooth posts above that I quoted in questioning why in the world would Sierra be posting*or tweeting from friends iPhone when she had an Android Galaxy smartphone that not only had Internet access but also has the android compatible twitter app available for her to have used on her droid smartphone..

Imo This issue without question is due to the fact that the iPhone just simply trumps in spades the Android Galaxy.. Before anyone gets offended I have both(btwn hubby and I) and I know it from having the opportunity for over 6mos to compare their features, ease of use, battery life, and compatibility.. And i can say hands down that the iphone(if even an older model such as 3GS) absolutely trumps in spades the Droid Galaxy.. The top concern, the number one complaint(just as many droid owners have as well) is the fact that the phone's battery life is extraordinarily BAAAD!!!.. Especially if its used to access internet features(which as we all know is what Sierra lived for minute by minute of everyday).. The battery would be drained by lunch period imo.. And for certain if Sierra was regularly popping in on her SM(and not necessarily even posting/tweeting but rather just checking in) that alone done throughout the day would be enough to drain that battery.. Again*as I'd made mention of several threads back several/many of the droid phones are absolutely known to have extraordinarily short battery life(many who had experience with some android phones posted their similar issue).. Actually its not even limited to the droid phones as I can attest from my having an android tablet as well whose battery life pales in comparison to the ipad or other well known tablets.. And again this is Especially true when the Internet is accessed from the android tablet/phone you can bet with confidence that it's battery will not last a full school day without having to be recharged at some point.. This IMO lending credence toward Sierra having absolute motive and reason for possibly posting/tweeting from friends at school's iPhones..

These details IMO answer easily the questions in the posts that I've quoted above..
-(Q) the white cased iPhone Sierra is seen holding in a photo that was posted the weekend prior to her disappearance..
-(A) With the information that Sierra spent the weekend(3/9,10,11) in Fremont with friends from Washington HS celebrating friend, CF's bday.. IMO this makes perfect logical sense as to whose phone was likely seen in the photo(a friend from Fremont).. Along with the pink bedroom in a photo posted is likely one of the friends with whom she was staying with for the weekend of 3/9,10,11..

For me personally there is no hinkiness, no unusual or unexplained details related to the question/answer of who/where/how Sierra is pictured in tweet holding a white cased iPhone 4/4s..

-(Q) Why and how are there many tweets/posts from Sierras SM that are via iPhone..
-(A) this IMO is thoroughly explained in that Sierra herself had an iPod touch up until in/around January when it was stolen.. Up until then she was posting via her own iPod which as we know posts as via iPhone.. IMO perfect logical sense as to why some posts/tweets were via iPhone..
And then we have the info that Sierra tweeted on 1/11 that she was using her sister, Danielle's iPod touch.. Again IMO easily explaining while any of her posts/tweets would show up as via iPhone.. Makes Perfect logical sense IMO.

(Q) who/why/how did Sierra post/tweet via iPhone on such occasions such as 3/13 where it shows it was via iPhone.. Tho we know she, herself had an Android Galaxy smartphone..*
(A) in knowing first hand that the android battery life is unusually short I not only find it perfectly logical that she would be posting/tweeting via a friends iPhone at school... but*I can tell you that when hubby and I are out and about that he will 100% of the time have me use my iPhone rather than his droid smartphone to look up anything, email anything, etc, etc.. As in any task that requires the accessing of the Internet.. And that is an absolutely hands down given that is 100% of the time that my iPhone is used for all Internet related tasks strictly due to the fact that he knows that a few tasks accessing Internet from his droid will leave him damn near close, if not completely drained and dead battery before we ever get home..

For me without question I completely understand Sierra using friends iPhones to post/tweet for many of the reasons above described..

Last thing.. As houndstooth mentioned in above quoted post why was there not a time where Sierra was bragging or excitedly posting and tweeting about her getting an Android Galaxy Smartphone.. When we get our anxiously awaited Twitter Tweets Spreadsheet I believe that it was in an early on tweet that Sierra does make mention of her having gotten the new droid smartphone.. I do know that there was SM posted by her where she specifically makes mention of her getting the droid smartphone and if not on that spread sheet I will personally do the digging to locate where/when this info was posted by Sierra..

For me these above given details and information more than adequately explain the issues and questions surrounding the iPhone in photo, the posts/tweets via iPhone, as well as that Sierra, herself had an iPod touch, after it was stolen continued using an iPod that belonged to Danielle, and that at the time of her disappearance IMO Sierra only had ONE phone/device and that was her Android Galaxy that was located the day after she disappeared(on 3/17 at the corner of Santa Teresa Blvd) and appeared to have been discarded by tossing out of a moving vehicle..jmo..

Hope that Helps any/some/or even one who may be questioning and/or confused about any/all of the issues covered in this post

**ETA: my reasoning for quoting LisaB was NOT for the purpose of explaining or answering her post but rather that just as sjsleuth's post that I quoted and referred to..IMO LisaB's post better helps explain some of the issue at hand especially with regards to houndstooth's questions**

To add...

Anything that Sierra re-tweeted that was originally tweeted on an iPhone (by someone else) shows as being tweeted from an iPhone. It doesn't mean she was using one. There are many instances of this in her tweets. I know this because I just tested by re-tweeting one of her tweets on my computer and it says I re-tweeted via iPhone but I didn't.

She tweeted months ago that she didn't think she could tweet pictures with her "crappy phone," which I think was the Android, because most of her pictures are sent via Twitter for iPhone, and it looks like she was either with a friend when she uploaded pictures or maybe had her sister's device. I think she would have posted a lot more pictures of herself if she didn't have a "crappy phone."

Also, the tweets she made from "Web" are from her computer, that is why most of these come late at night or on the weekends (on one tweet she even says "I need to get off this effing computer!"). Most of the ones from Txt were probably from her Android, because I have an Android and sometimes it is easier to Tweet via txt message than opening the app up.

Just more details as to why some of her texts look like they're coming from different devices....

 

[Cottontop]

But, but, but, what about her beloved Samsung Galaxy phone?
Why would she be using everybody else's when she apparently has this?

There was some discussion on Twitter, not naming names that this wasn't Sierra's phone that was found.
That her mother didn't recognize the phone.

How did such "rumors" get started?
Or better still, WHY would they get started?
Why would her friends buy into this Galaxy that was found not being hers?
They ought to know if she had one or not.

This bugs me.
I wish there was a description of what the Galaxy looks like, colorwise.

I think I started all of this with questioning yesterday about the iPhone/versus Android, etc.

Something about it bugs me, but there may be a very simple explanation, like she was using a friend's iPhone or she was using her sister's iPod touch, which she supposedly borrowed.

Those two things make perfect sense, but if we are going to talk about speculation, saying she did the borrowing definitely fits in to the category of speculation. We have no idea (but that doesn't mean LE has no idea) if she was using her own iPhone, iTouch, etc. The only two things we know for sure is #1. She definitely was using someone's Apple product to take and post pictures as recently as three days before she disappeared and #2 The only phone that has been linked officially to her is the Android phone, which was found in a field. All other "maybe she did this or that" is speculation on our part. We also do not know if that Apple product (s) that she had been using for Twitter was found by LE or family members. Her family may know what she was using and it makes no difference what so ever in her disappearance.

I agree with you in that I don't understand why she would continually keep using someone else's piece of technology to update her life, when she had her a perfectly acceptable phone of her own. BUT her Android phone could be not that great for what she liked to do and the Apple product may have been easier for the technology loving Sierra to update her virtual world. In other words, she may have had an used both, depending upon what she wanted to do. Again...speculation only. We don't know.

Big, deep breath.

 

[cluciano63]

I am a little lost re: the phones...as to what the point is of figuring out how many she had and when, etc...

Is the thought process that if she had another phone, she may have tossed the one LE found and run away after all?

Or that other texts and contacts might be available in a missing phone that LE is unaware of?

Just wondering...

 

[Cottontop]

I am a little lost re: the phones...as to what the point is of figuring out how many she had and when, etc...

Is the thought process that if she had another phone, she may have tossed the one LE found and run away after all?

Or that other texts and contacts might be available in a missing phone that LE is unaware of?

Just wondering...

I think for me, yesterday, I was just asking what type of phone she had that was found in the field. I assumed she had an iPhone because of all of the posts she has that are "detailed" as being from an iPhone. Plus, there was a picture of her using an iPhone. I think, yes, I was curious if there was a chance that she had two phones and there was another one out there that may have information that wasn't found on her Android phone.

 

[Crystal550]

Experiment: I have an iPad and iPhone. I tweeted from my iPad, using the Internet. Under my tweet, it said via mobile web. When I tweeted from my iPad Twitter app, it said via Twitter from IPad. When I tweeted from my iPhone twitter app, it said via Twitter for iPhone.

Also, I am completely addicted to my iPad, iPhone, and twitter. I was having problems with my twitter app, so my brother told me I should log back out and log back in. I googled, I looked, I pushed buttons, I deleted the app and redownloaded it, but I STILL could not figure out how to log out of the Twitter app. IMO, it would be almost impossible to share an iPhone/iPod touch with a friend, if they had their own twitter account.

I'm not sure what this proves, but in March almost ALL of her tweets were via web (normal computer) txt (text messages from her cellphone) and a few were from Twitter for Mac. I THINK I saw her use an iPhone on March 2, 11, and 13. (via Twitter for iPhone)

Just my 2 cents, opinion, etc.

Hi, first time poster, long time lurker. I would just like to say that I think it's rather easy to share 2 twitter accounts on an iPhone. I added my boyfriend's account to be sure and I can switch back and forth with ease without even having to re-enter his password after the first time. If you're on your twitter app, in the bottom right corner click on the me tab, scroll down and there is an option to switch accounts.

Also, as for logging in and out of just 1 twitter account, go into your iPhone/iPad settings app. Look for the twitter settings about halfway down the page. There you can delete your account info and re enter it to log back in.

Hope that clears some things up. I think it's very likely she could have once logged onto her twitter from a friend's phone and never deleted her log in information, allowing them to switch over easily. But I think it's just as likely that someone saw the media attention and hacked into her account as a joke/publicity.

Anyways, hope everyone is enjoying their day!

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

WOW! Team WS moves like lightning.

Just trying to catch up after 2 days, and my head is spinning.
Let me ask you this, all this talk about iPhone,ipads, Galaxy, Face-time, cell phones....well it has all come about because there is some confusion as to .....the (whatever) phone found was in fact SL's??

and can't we just lo jack our kids at birth? Lets see some creep taking them then, eh?

 

[SmoothOperator]

Smooth,
My questions were posed rhetorically, of course. Not that I expected anyone to have the answers.
Nor were they an exercise in which device is more efficient.
I don't have either one.
What I was trying to explore was "what good was it?" if she didn't use it, preferred not to use it, in order for it to qualify as her "beloved phone"?

It was more that I heard/read about an I-pod she no longer had and other people's phone than her own phone, that struck me and I thought worth exploring.
Thanks for the explanation.

Yes I understand what your saying and tho my poor post may look so very long and/or that it took a long time to gather/type/post it but actually it's just all info I've previously stated at various times that I simply copy/pasted into one post..lol..

As for the question you posed for exploring..well.. in a very long, round about way my post answers this somewhat as well.. In that I assume that the reason that she had this beloved droid smartphone yet possibly didn't prefer to use.. Why then have the beloved cell phone.. IMO its quite likely the exact reason hubby has the phone yet doesn't prefer to use it for any Internet accessed tasks.. And that's simply that when he purchased the phone he, of course thought it would be perfect.. Hadn't a clue of the major issues with the battery and well.. By the time he found out that it was the way it was and that when he used tasks requiring Internet access that he'd quickly have a dead battery.. This was discovered past the 30day point(which most know is the magical number of days of which you can successfully trade without it costing you an arm and a leg).. Therefor he's stuck with it til he's due for an upgrade(2yrs with AT&T).. And he knows that as far as all other features and use of the phone it works fine..

So there you have it IMO as to what's likely the issue behind Sierra's beloved droid smartphone and what is the reason she at times chose to post from others iPhones along with why she would have quite likely been "stuck with" the phone for lack of a better word even tho, she'd discovered that as far as posting/tweeting on Internet from it that it wasn't ideal but not a whole lot you can do about it..

Anywhoo.. That's just my take on it and thought I'd share..

As far as your question, clu of what relevance do the questions revolving around droid/iPhone/iPod/tweets have??.. IMOO very little and I found the issues that were questionable about where or how Sierra posted from iPhones or was seen with an iPhone.. I found there to be perfectly logical explanations for them all and simply posted what IMO those easy logical explanations were to those concerns that were posted about..

For me it bears no importance on the case but I thought if I had answers that could possibly help clear up questions or issues of concerns for others that I would share it.. That's all


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[Foxymona]

FaceTime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



So...it is software to facilitate a video phone call from one phone/device to another (Apple only, tho).

Not sure why people have been saying Sierra is facetiming herself...unless she had both devices in her vicinity and initiated the call on one phone/device and answered it on another.

One particular tweet pic she posted she was using her mac and the webcam to facetime herself on an iphone or itouch. It was a joke pic about her facetiming herself... teens bored etc... Something not out of the realms I would have done myself when I was 15... except mobile phones were unheard of and the internet was pretty much some new fangled thingie that we were vaguely aware of. LOL my son can not believe I didn't have internet when I was his age... He's half convinced we had a pet dinosaur in the garden shed.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

So really, after all of that, we dont know any more based on the phone situation.?

I think we are out of clues unless LE releases anything else.

 

[Plumeria5]

Way overly paranoid if you ask me. And in this case, it wouldn't have made any difference. She never made it to the bus stop.

IMO, anything short of injectible GPS trackers wont do much good. Best bet is to educate kids on how to be careful.

It would have made a difference. That's the point. Since she didn't make it to the bus stop, she wouldn't have swiped her card, her parents would have received the text and they would have known right away that she didn't get on the bus.

 

[cluciano63]

It would have made a difference. That's the point. Since she didn't make it to the bus stop, she wouldn't have swiped her card, her parents would have received the text and they would have known right away that she didn't get on the bus.

Well-they would have known whenever the data was looked at and sent on to the parents, anyway...might not have been instantly.

As I said before, the bus driver knew right away, so maybe that should be the ground zero, if there is one...

I still doubt anything would be compiled and then alerts sent much before noon...they would have had a few hours head start, maybe, but Sierra was apparently gone by 7:20AM.

JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

Well-they would have known whenever the data was looked at and sent on to the parents, anyway...might not have been instantly.

As I said before, the bus driver knew right away, so maybe that should be the ground zero, if there is one...

I still doubt anything would be compiled and then alerts sent much before noon...they would have had a few hours head start, maybe, but Sierra was apparently gone by 7:20AM.

JMO

What I was trying to explain is that if this all was networked (not sure the technical term) so that humans didn't have to be involved, a text could be generated within that window of time if the student didn't swipe the card even before they should have arrived at school. I'm talking within 15 minutes or so.

While this is a forum to talk about and sleuth missing children/people, I would like to try to find ways to find them before they are dead. We aren't going to be able to keep SO out of prison. Look at the map of SO in the Isabel Celis neighborhood. Unbelievable the concentration of them.

I guess most of you don't agree this would be helpful.

 

[nutkin]

Many businesses use ID cards to gain entrance into a building. I've worked at several buildings where you pass your ID card in front of a scanner and it opens the door. Simultaneously, security (who are sitting right at the door so they can tell if someone piggybacks through the door, etc.) can see on their computer who opened the door. The same goes for who comes out of the building.

This not only aids in securing information, but as a list of who is in the building in case of an emergency.

 

[cluciano63]

What I was trying to explain is that if this all was networked (not sure the technical term) so that humans didn't have to be involved, a text could be generated within that window of time if the student didn't swipe the card even before they should have arrived at school. I'm talking within 15 minutes or so.

While this is a forum to talk about and sleuth missing children/people, I would like to try to find ways to find them before they are dead. We aren't going to be able to keep SO out of prison. Look at the map of SO in the Isabel Celis neighborhood. Unbelievable the concentration of them.

I guess most of you don't agree this would be helpful.

I can see where it would be helpful...I just don't see it happening in these economic times...most schools don't have security cameras and many don't even have free bus service, not to mention enough teachers, etc...

Some day people will probably swipe themselves throughout their day...JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

I can see where it would be helpful...I just don't see it happening in these economic times...most schools don't have security cameras and many don't even have free bus service, not to mention enough teachers, etc...

Some day people will probably swipe themselves throughout their day...JMO

Then maybe our government should get involved to save our kids.

 

[JTribley]

Hi, first time poster, long time lurker. I would just like to say that I think it's rather easy to share 2 twitter accounts on an iPhone. I added my boyfriend's account to be sure and I can switch back and forth with ease without even having to re-enter his password after the first time. If you're on your twitter app, in the bottom right corner click on the me tab, scroll down and there is an option to switch accounts.

Also, as for logging in and out of just 1 twitter account, go into your iPhone/iPad settings app. Look for the twitter settings about halfway down the page. There you can delete your account info and re enter it to log back in.

Hope that clears some things up. I think it's very likely she could have once logged onto her twitter from a friend's phone and never deleted her log in information, allowing them to switch over easily. But I think it's just as likely that someone saw the media attention and hacked into her account as a joke/publicity.


Anyways, hope everyone is enjoying their day!

Just to add - I have THREE Twitter Accounts on my Ipad, Laptop and Itouch....I run the social media for the hotel I manage, and for a Company my mother owns, plus my own twitter account. I never log out of any of them....I also have hootsuite as an app to manage them on the Ipad, besides Twitter APP as well as Twitterific. So you can actually be logged into ALL twitter accounts ALL the time from the iPad/Iphone/Driod phone or iTouch. Just as an addition to this post! If someone were to steal my Itouch, they could actually post anything to my three twitter accounts, which is why I have "find my iphone" app running also, so I can shut it all down, should that happen.

Also, in a previous post, I did mention that all the very young people today (in twenties to teens) know each other passwords for social media! I know this, as there are two people who work for me, who know their good friends passwords to Facebook and Twitter - I am not sure why - just seems to be a thing everyone does - (I actually just called my Personal Assistant who is in her 20's right now as I am writing this, and she said verbatim "yes I have my two best friends passwords to Facebook and Twitter, and they have mine".

 

[AZ1991]

Many businesses use ID cards to gain entrance into a building. I've worked at several buildings where you pass your ID card in front of a scanner and it opens the door. Simultaneously, security (who are sitting right at the door so they can tell if someone piggybacks through the door, etc.) can see on their computer who opened the door. The same goes for who comes out of the building.

This not only aids in securing information, but as a list of who is in the building in case of an emergency.

Our office uses keypads on the doors. You put in your social security or tax ID number.