Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #13 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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  • #101
I am a little lost re: the phones...as to what the point is of figuring out how many she had and when, etc...

Is the thought process that if she had another phone, she may have tossed the one LE found and run away after all?

Or that other texts and contacts might be available in a missing phone that LE is unaware of?

Just wondering...

Can't speak for anyone but myself here, but my concern is how and from whom she got the iphone (if it is hers). The family doesn't appear to know anything about it, or what was going on online. This is absolutely a way predators and traffickers lure kids in, give them cool toys, special ways to contact just them, makes it much harder to trace, etc. It may be nothing, but right now, it appears to be as good as any other direction.

ETA-For me personally until LE confirms that this was just a friend's iphone that she was using, I'm not convinced, but alas, I will work on it quietly as it doesn't seem to be a direction most are interested in here. No biggy.
 
  • #102
Can't speak for anyone but myself here, but my concern is how and from whom she got the iphone (if it is hers). The family doesn't appear to know anything about it, or what was going on online. This is absolutely a way predators and traffickers lure kids in, give them cool toys, special ways to contact just them, makes it much harder to trace, etc. It may be nothing, but right now, it appears to be as good as any other direction.

ETA-For me personally until LE confirms that this was just a friend's iphone that she was using, I'm not convinced, but alas, I will work on it quietly as it doesn't seem to be a direction most are interested in here. No biggy.

I was just trying to get a handle on where this was going about the phone...your reasoning makes sense, as does wondering if she had a "secret" phone to contact friends she was not supposed to be in touch with, for example. That seems unlikely as the people she "tweeted" all the time are Fremont friends...but who knows...there could be one person who gave her a phone just to use with that person.
 
  • #103
Just one of many many possibilities I'm afraid.
 
  • #104
In fact, it does seem almost impossible that a girl as phone-dependent as Sierra would have only one...but then why so upset when lost it? And when she replaced it in some way, did she later find the original one? Who knows...
 
  • #105
I was just trying to get a handle on where this was going about the phone...your reasoning makes sense, as does wondering if she had a "secret" phone to contact friends she was not supposed to be in touch with, for example. That seems unlikely as the people she "tweeted" all the time are Fremont friends...but who knows...there could be one person who gave her a phone just to use with that person.

A friend of my uncle once tried to give me a cell phone. He wanted me to call him (hmmmmmm I wonder why) on his "secret phone" so his wife wouldn't know, and call me on my "secret phone" so my dad wouldn't know. Meh. I was sickened and knew better (I was 14 he was 27) but if it were one of the 27 year olds that I hung out with (because there's a difference between my uncle's friends and random older guys - duh!) I might have accepted the offer just to have a fun secret.

Doubt that's the case here, but you know me by now, just a head full of useless memories.
 
  • #106
WOW! Team WS moves like lightning.

Just trying to catch up after 2 days, and my head is spinning.
Let me ask you this, all this talk about iPhone,ipads, Galaxy, Face-time, cell phones....well it has all come about because there is some confusion as to .....the (whatever) phone found was in fact SL's??

and can't we just lo jack our kids at birth? Lets see some creep taking them then, eh?

Except then there's the problem of what to do with them when those special little snowflakes are being absolute pills and all that connects you with your sanity is the knowledge you can ship 'em off to Camp Grandma!
 
  • #107
I hope that her friend who tweeted about the phone not being Sierra's phone contacted LE and told them about any other phone they had seen her of with...
 
  • #108
It would have made a difference. That's the point. Since she didn't make it to the bus stop, she wouldn't have swiped her card, her parents would have received the text and they would have known right away that she didn't get on the bus.

Not sure how it would make a difference.

When someone is abducted from anywhere but the inner core of a major metropolitan area, figure that the abductor has a vehicle, gets to the closest highway and is thereafter travelling at 55 or 65 mph. That averages out to a mile per minute.

For every minute, that means the abductor could be somewhere within a circle that has a diameter that is 2X the number of minutes. In the first minute, that means the abductor could be anywhere within 2 miles or 3.14 square miles. In the first five minutes, the abductor could be anywhere within a circle that is 10 miles in diameter. That works out to be 78 square miles.

In the first ten minutes, the abductor could be anywhere within a circle 20 miles in diameter and 314 square miles.

So, parent gets a text that Jr didn't get on the bus. Say one parent is still at home at the time. I doubt their first reaction is going to be to call the police. I think their first reaction will be to look out the front door to see if Jr missed the bus. Even if the bus stop is visible from the house, they're going to look for a few seconds to make sure Jr didn't get distracted by something (goofing off with a friend, a stray dog, a butterfly flapped its wings and the air current made Jr forget for a second why s/he is standing out in the great outdoors...).

That's 30 seconds gone.

Then the parent calls 911. Explaining to the emergency services dispatcher what has happened is going to take at least 30 seconds.

That's 1 minute gone.

Assuming dispatch correctly perceives this as an abduction vs Jr forgot to swipe his/her card or the automated system made an error, they are going to dispatch a patrol car to Jr's house. Let's say that this is the one day of the century that there is a patrol car within 30 seconds of the house.

That's 1.5 minutes gone.

Officer arrives, starts to interview frantic parent. Parent has to explain again what is going on and provide a clear description of Jr. Let's say this is the calmest parent ever and the best police officer on the face of the earth and all this takes only 30 seconds.

That's 2 minutes gone.

By now, Jr is anywhere within a circle that is 4 miles in diameter and 12.5 square miles in area.

Sure, the police may be able to throw up roadblocks along major thoroughfares but their chances of stopping the abductor are constantly going down.

Plus, the police know that 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 Jr wasn't abducted. Jr got distracted, Jr thought the bus had already come and has taken off on foot chasing it, Jr and his/her best friend were absorbed in a Twitter flamewar and forgot to get on the bus, the automated system misfired, etc.

The chances of getting the perfect, instantaneous police response each time that card is not swiped goes down with every false alarm.

And then there's this: the chances of being killed by lightning each year are roughly half the chances of a child being abducted and disappearing for good.

When I find myself thinking "this or that should be done to prevent a child from being abducted" I ask myself if I think that much effort should be put into protection from lightning strikes to give myself a risk assessment check.

If I wouldn't do it to protect from something that is twice as likely to happen as a child abduction, that's a pretty good indication that the proposal doesn't meet my personal benefit to risk analysis.

Other people probably feel differently and that's fine, too.
 
  • #109
I hope that her friend who tweeted about the phone not being Sierra's phone contacted LE and told them about any other phone they had seen her of with...

Im pretty sure the friend that said this has been interviewed by LE by now. She seemed to be one of SL's major friends, maybe even her best friend.

And I still think her comment about it "not being her phone" means nothing, because at that point I dont think LE would have even given details about the model of the phone.


Also, on a side note. Cant LE check the IP or device of these past posts on twitter? Im sure they looked at all of her posts and tried to determine what devices they were posted on.
 
  • #110
This conversation stood out to me, but I dont know what to make of it.

Its from Twitter back on 2/2


AW: "hey I think it's hella funny how people get a texting number on their iPod and try to be you like wtf get a life haha pathetic.."


SL: "FRRREAAAL. LOOOOOOL guess i got some wannabes & some imposters, aw cute"


Any thoughts on this. This is right around the time SL changed her username on Twitter.


I had something similar happen to me. I was being teased in a friendly way by a number that was from California. After a week or so my friend told me it was him. We live in Michigan. On an iPod/touch you can download free texting apps that work over wireless. Some even allow calls. You put in either a user name or an email address (fake probably works) and you're assigned a random phone number. It sounds like maybe someone was pretending to be Sierras friend from one of these numbers? :twocents:
 
  • #111
Well folks Twitter IMHO just hit the all time low. Somehow made a fake Sierra twitter account and is now following people. Now tweets just following. Makes me sick to my stomach that someone or more than one person finds this case of. A Missing 15 year old girl by the. Name of Sierra Lamar so funny. I really wish there was a way to busted them

That account has already been eliminated, but theres another one thats been going on for some time,actually spookie, but , I have a feeling LE is monitoring that one. I dont want to give that one out here, just in case, it took me a long time to find.
You can find it if you look up her BFF followers.
There's some VERY sick people out there!!!
 
  • #112
Well folks Twitter IMHO just hit the all time low. Somehow made a fake Sierra twitter account and is now following people. Now tweets just following. Makes me sick to my stomach that someone or more than one person finds this case of. A Missing 15 year old girl by the. Name of Sierra Lamar so funny. I really wish there was a way to busted them

JDB, I see it differently. I see it as evidence that those kids are essentially innocent, naive kids who have no idea of how awful this situation really is.

That innocence and naivete is touching to me and I wouldn't disturb it for the world.

When I was a child in the middle of the civll rights movement, my parents were of different races. In many states back then, they literally could not legally marry.

Our family experienced many incidents of racism, culminating with the arson of our house under construction (police refused to solve the crime). Nowadays, something like that would make the national news; back then, it was barely mentioned in the local newspaper.

Fast forward almost 50 years. Now we have a president who is black. Now I have two adolescent nephews and one adolescent niece, none of whom has ever experienced an incident of racism personally. To them, racism is something that happened in the distant past, about ten minutes after the dinosaurs ceased to walk the earth.

Last Thanksgiving, one of my nephews said something that made it clear that he did not know anything of the travails our family went through when my siblings and I were young. I suddenly realised that none of us adults ever talked about it. My nephews and niece have no idea that racism scarred our family so badly.

When my siblings and I were young, our innocence was violently stolen from us. I treasure the innocence that the next generation has even though it sometimes leads to insensitive remarks. They will learn but they will never have the same visceral knowledge the older generation has.

This is a good thing.

So, some kid or group of kids is spoofing Sierra on Twitter. That's obnoxious, it's insensitive but it speaks to a certain level of essential innocence that is a good thing overall.
 
  • #113
I don't see it as naive at all...it is harmful and malicious in my opinion, when Sierra may not even be alive, and I also don't see these kids as naive and innocent, but pretty savvy. But that is just my opinion...

If teenagers are that insensitive (if it is teenagers) that is worrisome to me...

JMO
 
  • #114
In fact, it does seem almost impossible that a girl as phone-dependent as Sierra would have only one...but then why so upset when lost it? And when she replaced it in some way, did she later find the original one? Who knows...

I'm more concerned about where the lost iTouch possibly ended up. If she had a stalker, man, that iTouch was probably a treasure trove of personal information.

For one thing, it probably had most of her passwords on it, so that the person who found it probably had access to her email for at least a period of time until she changed her password. IF she changed her password (an amazing percentage of people never do, even after the information has been stolen).

Monitoring her email could give a stalker all the info s/he needed to pull off an abduction without any need of actually going to the neighbourhood in person beforehand.
 
  • #115
I'm more concerned about where the lost iTouch possibly ended up. If she had a stalker, man, that iTouch was probably a treasure trove of personal information.

For one thing, it probably had most of her passwords on it, so that the person who found it probably had access to her email for at least a period of time until she changed her password. IF she changed her password (an amazing percentage of people never do, even after the information has been stolen).

Monitoring her email could give a stalker all the info s/he needed to pull off an abduction without any need of actually going to the neighbourhood in person beforehand.

This post blew my mind. Can't believe I never thought about it. It may be nothing, but they need to see if they can find out who stole her iTouch and see if that leads anywhere. Maybe she just lost it, but maybe someone with ill intent got a hold of it either way. Great thinking!
 
  • #116
I noted that her FB page is private, which is odd anyway since she was so public online, but I wonder if she ever posted her new address when she moved? If she is like many teens, she probably has 100's of "friends" on her page, many of whom she probably never met...
 
  • #117
Not sure how it would make a difference.

When someone is abducted from anywhere but the inner core of a major metropolitan area, figure that the abductor has a vehicle, gets to the closest highway and is thereafter travelling at 55 or 65 mph. That averages out to a mile per minute.

For every minute, that means the abductor could be somewhere within a circle that has a diameter that is 2X the number of minutes. In the first minute, that means the abductor could be anywhere within 2 miles or 3.14 square miles. In the first five minutes, the abductor could be anywhere within a circle that is 10 miles in diameter. That works out to be 78 square miles.

In the first ten minutes, the abductor could be anywhere within a circle 20 miles in diameter and 314 square miles.

So, parent gets a text that Jr didn't get on the bus. Say one parent is still at home at the time. I doubt their first reaction is going to be to call the police. I think their first reaction will be to look out the front door to see if Jr missed the bus. Even if the bus stop is visible from the house, they're going to look for a few seconds to make sure Jr didn't get distracted by something (goofing off with a friend, a stray dog, a butterfly flapped its wings and the air current made Jr forget for a second why s/he is standing out in the great outdoors...).

That's 30 seconds gone.

Then the parent calls 911. Explaining to the emergency services dispatcher what has happened is going to take at least 30 seconds.

That's 1 minute gone.

Assuming dispatch correctly perceives this as an abduction vs Jr forgot to swipe his/her card or the automated system made an error, they are going to dispatch a patrol car to Jr's house. Let's say that this is the one day of the century that there is a patrol car within 30 seconds of the house.

That's 1.5 minutes gone.

Officer arrives, starts to interview frantic parent. Parent has to explain again what is going on and provide a clear description of Jr. Let's say this is the calmest parent ever and the best police officer on the face of the earth and all this takes only 30 seconds.

That's 2 minutes gone.

By now, Jr is anywhere within a circle that is 4 miles in diameter and 12.5 square miles in area.

Sure, the police may be able to throw up roadblocks along major thoroughfares but their chances of stopping the abductor are constantly going down.

Plus, the police know that 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 Jr wasn't abducted. Jr got distracted, Jr thought the bus had already come and has taken off on foot chasing it, Jr and his/her best friend were absorbed in a Twitter flamewar and forgot to get on the bus, the automated system misfired, etc.

The chances of getting the perfect, instantaneous police response each time that card is not swiped goes down with every false alarm.

And then there's this: the chances of being killed by lightning each year are roughly half the chances of a child being abducted and disappearing for good.

When I find myself thinking "this or that should be done to prevent a child from being abducted" I ask myself if I think that much effort should be put into protection from lightning strikes to give myself a risk assessment check.

If I wouldn't do it to protect from something that is twice as likely to happen as a child abduction, that's a pretty good indication that the proposal doesn't meet my personal benefit to risk analysis.

Other people probably feel differently and that's fine, too.

True story. Our beautiful horse, Black Beauty, was struck by lightning and killed when I was a child. My parents got lightning rods for the house and barn after that.
 
  • #118
This post blew my mind. Can't believe I never thought about it. It may be nothing, but they need to see if they can find out who stole her iTouch and see if that leads anywhere. Maybe she just lost it, but maybe someone with ill intent got a hold of it either way. Great thinking!

Thank you! <blush>

I had another thought. I wonder if someone found/stole/bought her iTouch and became obsessed with her based on what they found on it.

I've read of cases where stalkers became fixated on their victim from a very limited contact. One case, for example, the stalker became obsessed after seeing the victim for a couple minutes in the lobby of the apartment building they shared. They didn't speak, there was no interaction whatsoever, but it was enough for the stalker to fixate on.
 
  • #119
I had something similar happen to me. I was being teased in a friendly way by a number that was from California. After a week or so my friend told me it was him. We live in Michigan. On an iPod/touch you can download free texting apps that work over wireless. Some even allow calls. You put in either a user name or an email address (fake probably works) and you're assigned a random phone number. It sounds like maybe someone was pretending to be Sierras friend from one of these numbers? :twocents:

Possibly. But it sounds more like someone was trying to appear to be her. I want to look more into this. It could be just someone screwing around, but it also could be a perp trying to pretend to be her, to get inside information about her.

I'll have to look at the the tweets previous to this one again, but it didn't look like there was any reference to why they were talking about this.
 
  • #120
True story. Our beautiful horse, Black Beauty, was struck by lightning and killed when I was a child. My parents got lightning rods for the house and barn after that.

I am so sorry about your horse.

However, despite heavy marketing, there is no proof that lightning rods actually work all that well.

When I got my 90 year old farmhouse, part of the charm for me was the 3 lightning rods. When I went to insure the place, I asked the agent if having the lightning rods might be good for a discount. The agent told me that there was no evidence that lightning rods offer significant protection; the protection offered is modest, at best, and not worth offering a discount for.

Here's a link that goes over the recent history of the issue so far as regulatory standards are concerned:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2286/do-lightning-rods-really-work
 
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