Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #13 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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  • #121
I am hoping the no news is 'good' news thing is holding true right now. I haven't heard anything new.

I wish I could go on the search tomorrow, but it is literally the one day I have to be in my office tomorrow.

I asked my hubs to go but I don't think he thought I was being serious. I will see if my older daughter (college age, yes I am crazy for having one in college and one in diapers literally) can come over Sat and my hubs and I can both go. I think he might get inspired like I was. Then I can send him out when I can't go ;)
 
  • #122
Can't speak for anyone but myself here, but my concern is how and from whom she got the iphone (if it is hers). The family doesn't appear to know anything about it, or what was going on online. This is absolutely a way predators and traffickers lure kids in, give them cool toys, special ways to contact just them, makes it much harder to trace, etc. It may be nothing, but right now, it appears to be as good as any other direction.

ETA-For me personally until LE confirms that this was just a friend's iphone that she was using, I'm not convinced, but alas, I will work on it quietly as it doesn't seem to be a direction most are interested in here. No biggy.

ITA with you about the possibliity and the ramifications of predators using these "toys" etc to gain teens trust, or create a "bond" or even have the kids feel almost "obliged" to keep a repore with that person for the meer fact that maybe they feel that item will be taken away from them....or the possibility of them getting something even bigger and better.
Almost like a far younger child, in my day, being lured with the promise of a puppy, or an ice cream fest etc.
Although, OTOH, it could also be the meer fact of someone - friend, etc - having an "older" model ipad/iphone, whatever they use, and let Sierra use it/have it/borrow it. These days, if it's NOT the "newest" model, it's almost considered a "dinosaur" by some tech savy kids (to be read spoiled, IMO).

Also, when I was that age, and an "upper classmen" showed ANY interest, even a "hi" in the hall AND came to my house to give me a ride - not that it EVER happened to me - but, I would have almost climbed thru the window before he finished asking...LOL

IMO, Sarx, YOU have a great scenerio with MUCH food for thought AND, IMO, in what your thought process is, a definite possibility. AND, IMO, I'm getting the feeling you're not looking for someone to "answer" your question, per se, just maybe expound upon it with you....in a discussion.


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  • #123
Im pretty sure the friend that said this has been interviewed by LE by now. She seemed to be one of SL's major friends, maybe even her best friend.

And I still think her comment about it "not being her phone" means nothing, because at that point I dont think LE would have even given details about the model of the phone.


Also, on a side note. Cant LE check the IP or device of these past posts on twitter? Im sure they looked at all of her posts and tried to determine what devices they were posted on.

Sadly I think with modern advances with cell phones and such I think tracking IP addy is harder now than ever with the inventions of smartphones and such. I could be wrong and hopefully I am. maybe someone that lnow more about this can give us a more clear answer.
 
  • #124
Not sure how it would make a difference.

When someone is abducted from anywhere but the inner core of a major metropolitan area, figure that the abductor has a vehicle, gets to the closest highway and is thereafter travelling at 55 or 65 mph. That averages out to a mile per minute.

For every minute, that means the abductor could be somewhere within a circle that has a diameter that is 2X the number of minutes. In the first minute, that means the abductor could be anywhere within 2 miles or 3.14 square miles. In the first five minutes, the abductor could be anywhere within a circle that is 10 miles in diameter. That works out to be 78 square miles.

In the first ten minutes, the abductor could be anywhere within a circle 20 miles in diameter and 314 square miles.

So, parent gets a text that Jr didn't get on the bus. Say one parent is still at home at the time. I doubt their first reaction is going to be to call the police. I think their first reaction will be to look out the front door to see if Jr missed the bus. Even if the bus stop is visible from the house, they're going to look for a few seconds to make sure Jr didn't get distracted by something (goofing off with a friend, a stray dog, a butterfly flapped its wings and the air current made Jr forget for a second why s/he is standing out in the great outdoors...).

That's 30 seconds gone.

Then the parent calls 911. Explaining to the emergency services dispatcher what has happened is going to take at least 30 seconds.

That's 1 minute gone.

Assuming dispatch correctly perceives this as an abduction vs Jr forgot to swipe his/her card or the automated system made an error, they are going to dispatch a patrol car to Jr's house. Let's say that this is the one day of the century that there is a patrol car within 30 seconds of the house.

That's 1.5 minutes gone.

Officer arrives, starts to interview frantic parent. Parent has to explain again what is going on and provide a clear description of Jr. Let's say this is the calmest parent ever and the best police officer on the face of the earth and all this takes only 30 seconds.

That's 2 minutes gone.

By now, Jr is anywhere within a circle that is 4 miles in diameter and 12.5 square miles in area.

Sure, the police may be able to throw up roadblocks along major thoroughfares but their chances of stopping the abductor are constantly going down.

Plus, the police know that 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 Jr wasn't abducted. Jr got distracted, Jr thought the bus had already come and has taken off on foot chasing it, Jr and his/her best friend were absorbed in a Twitter flamewar and forgot to get on the bus, the automated system misfired, etc.

The chances of getting the perfect, instantaneous police response each time that card is not swiped goes down with every false alarm.

And then there's this: the chances of being killed by lightning each year are roughly half the chances of a child being abducted and disappearing for good.

When I find myself thinking "this or that should be done to prevent a child from being abducted" I ask myself if I think that much effort should be put into protection from lightning strikes to give myself a risk assessment check.

If I wouldn't do it to protect from something that is twice as likely to happen as a child abduction, that's a pretty good indication that the proposal doesn't meet my personal benefit to risk analysis.

Other people probably feel differently and that's fine, too.

You are absolutely right, and I agree 100%! It doesn't matter how many safety measures are implemented, there is always that one criminal who can out-think and out-maneuver LE and get away with it.

We can sit here and play the blame game till doomsday, and go through all the what-if's and why-not's but the simple fact is, if this was truly an abduction, then even IF the bus driver alerted the school, and the school called her mom, and mom called 911, and the first responders came to the home... if that had all happened very quickly... she still could have been miles away in any direction and worst case scenario, she could have already been assaulted and/or dead.
 
  • #125
I am hoping the no news is 'good' news thing is holding true right now. I haven't heard anything new.

I wish I could go on the search tomorrow, but it is literally the one day I have to be in my office tomorrow.

I asked my hubs to go but I don't think he thought I was being serious. I will see if my older daughter (college age, yes I am crazy for having one in college and one in diapers literally) can come over Sat and my hubs and I can both go. I think he might get inspired like I was. Then I can send him out when I can't go ;)

I also wish I could help more....participating in a search would be something I would do, if I lived in the US. Just way too far away.
 
  • #126
My only problem with this, is that rumors are just rumors.. Im sure LE questioned her friends and family to confirm that the phone found was her phone. And the phone was found based on its "pings".

Its quite possible SL had another phone that someone had given her, or even an iPod touch, so she could post tweets after her phone shut off.

Its also possible that she was at a friends house and her battery was dead so she posted using their phone.

If you notice, all the tweets done from SL's home are usually stating "twitter via web", and a few say "twitter via Mac", but none say "twitter via iPhone".

I also think LE would have no reason to make us believe this was SL's phone that was found if it wasn't.

IF LE lied about the description of the phone that was found, the only plausible explanation would be to keep inside information so that someone couldn't falsely confess later on, not knowing what the actual phone model was. But I HIGHLY doubt that.

Ohmygosh! You may be onto something with the iPod... she claimed to have lost it... AFTER she had moved in with her mom, who made her turn her phone off at 9PM. I just got to thinking... What if Sierra never lost it at all? She could have hidden it so she could be online with her friends after the phone was off for the night and just TOLD her mom she had lost it. IF THIS HAPPENED, the missing iPod could have been with her when she was abducted. There is no contract on an iPod, it just uses available wifi, so it could not be "pinged". If the person who took her threw out her phone, s/he could have looked in the bag, and taken the wallet, iPod Touch and keys before dumping the bag. It could not be tracked like a phone, and could be worth something. It would allow for her Twitter account not to have been hacked, as the perp, or the person he solf the iPod to, would have found that it was set up to log into Twitter automatically.

It is also possible that her friends knew she had the iPod and THOUGHT it was her phone, i.e. an iPhone, and this was the basis for their claiming the Galaxy was not her phone.
 
  • #127
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Also, as a side question, does anyone know how Facetime works? In the picture, SL is facetimming herself. Is it possible to call yourself with Facetime, or would you have to be using two phones/devices?

What is interesting to me is that the iPod Touch has two cameras, one each front and back. The one on the screen side is (obviously) the one you would use for Facetime, so you could be seen by the camera while watching the other person on the display. BUT... can't that camera also be used to take photos? If so, there would be no need for her to take a "mirror photo" as she apparently did. Maybe an iPod Touch user can explain.
 
  • #128
The school is responsible once they get on the bus!
We are responsible to get them on it!

For disciplinary purposes, most school systems consider the bus stop to be an extension of "school grounds" and kids can be suspended from school for smoking, fighting, cussing, bullying, etc. at the bus stop just as if they were at school. But when something goes wrong, the school doesn't accept the responsibility for keeping kids safe at the bus stop until the bus comes.
 
  • #129
Im pretty sure the friend that said this has been interviewed by LE by now. She seemed to be one of SL's major friends, maybe even her best friend.

And I still think her comment about it "not being her phone" means nothing, because at that point I dont think LE would have even given details about the model of the phone.


Also, on a side note. Cant LE check the IP or device of these past posts on twitter? Im sure they looked at all of her posts and tried to determine what devices they were posted on.

Initially they referred to it (I think) as a "Droid phone". The "Droid" is a Motorola product, and she did not have one. She had a Samsung Galaxy, which runs on the "Android" operating system. It is, therefore, an ANDROID phone, but not a DROID phone. Her friend, like me, may have assumed the reporters were saying the recovered phone was a Motorola Droid.

BTW, I have a Droid 4 LTE and the battery life is VERY good. Much better than my older Droid 2, but it has "issues" running some internet apps.
 
  • #130
Initially they referred to it (I think) as a "Droid phone". The "Droid" is a Motorola product, and she did not have one. She had a Samsung Galaxy, which runs on the "Android" operating system. It is, therefore, an ANDROID phone, but not a DROID phone. Her friend, like me, may have assumed the reporters were saying the recovered phone was a Motorola Droid.

BTW, I have a Droid 4 LTE and the battery life is VERY good. Much better than my older Droid 2, but it has "issues" running some internet apps.

Very true technically, but I do know a lot of people who have phones that run on the Android platform that call them "Droid" phones that are not Motorolas. It's kinda just become the standard slang word for it. Certainly doesn't help in situations like this!
 
  • #131
Ok, so im investigating the phone(s)/ipod situation more.

https://twitter.com/#!/cccairuh/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com/h33bwIw0

In the picture she is clearly using two devices. At first I wasn't sure, but the fact that you can see one of the devices in her hand, means there is another device capturing video/picture and a screenshot.

This was uploaded Mar 10th. Im assuming this is after she supposedly lost her iPod touch.

So this means there are three options:

a)She is using someone elses ipod/iphone.
b)She never lost her ipod
c)She got a new ipod/iphone

Option B is the most interesting to me right now. Being a kid at one point, I can easily see many possible reasons for her to lie about losing her ipod. She may have wanted a new one (maybe it had aged), or she wanted to be able to text/tweet friends after her phone shutoff.

If this is the case, she also may have had secret conversations with SOMEONE using her iPod, because she felt her mom might check her phone occasionally.

Gotta look into this more. I am thinking its probably option A (someone elses phone), but ive gotta look for more clues on that.
 
  • #132
Talking about the cell phone did clarify something for me.

One of the reasons I never believed that Sierra planned to take off that day (either cutting school for a day or running away) is because her cell phone was tossed.

I could see her being savvy enough to know she could be tracked via her cell phone. If she had planned to run off, I think she would have just left it at home. She knew her mother and RG would be gone all day so they probably wouldn't find it.

If they asked her about it, she could have claimed that she forgot to charge it (or that the charge plug fell part of the way out of the electrical socket--that happens with my cell phone all the time) or that she simply forgot to take it with her that day.

I just don't think she'd toss the phone and risk not getting a replacement as a punishment (or a necessity--we know very little about her parents' financial status).

She may have gotten into the vehicle of someone she thought she could trust but I just don't think she planned it in advance.
 
  • #133
Sjsleuth, in researching the phones, remember that the weekend of March 9-11 was spent in Fremont.
 
  • #134
We really need some new info...
 
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  • #136
I haven't a clue what Sierra did for a fact.. None of us do.. We have small amounts of info from which we can attempt to piece together and draw logical conclusions..theorizing.. Some IMO work for me some don't..what works for me or makes best sense for me certainly may not make sense to another.. And that is absolutely ok.. That's what its about discussing all angles.. We each are free to do so..

As far as my making assumptions.. Well.. That's exactly what is done in theorizing when we have very small amounts of info to work with.. They are assumptions.. They are theories And in no way, shape, or form do I claim them to be fact and the way it all happened.. My theories are no more right than the next guy's/gal's.. Nor are my theories no more wrong than the next guy's/guy's.. To each their own and I appreciate everyone's opinions and theories and believe that it's exactly this type of theorizing and discussion that this forum is all about..

I have no need to have everyone agree with one/all/any of my theories in a case(in fact it'd be rather boring if that were the case;)).. In discussing particular issues(cell phone for example) I simply post what at that moment with what info available are the logical conclusions that I personally came to.. Does that involve assumptions..of course it does..

I didn't post my thoughts and opinions on the cell phone issue to state them as fact, nor to persuade everyone to see it "my way" and agree with me.. They are nothing more than just that.. My own personal thoughts, opinions, and theories based upon what little information is available at that time.. If that possibly helps another member with the info or theory I've proposed.. That's great.. If it doesn't or other members strongly disagree then hopefully it brings about fruitful discussions of those details or info that we may see differently.. I am just as likely to have my eyes opened in seeing another members point of view about a specific issue or detail in which could send me theorizing in a totally different and possibly even totally opposite direction.. IMO that is what it's all about.. And just maybe one of us see something, find something that could even in some small way help to find Sierra and bring her home..

That's what I'm here for.. I appreciate all members ideas, thoughts, and theories and I believe we all have something to gain and learn from each other.. My posts are not meant in any way to be "RIGHT".. My posts are of no more value than any others on here, nor are they of any less value than any others on here.. When I state they are IMO, moo, jmo, IMOO, etc.. That's exactly what I mean; they aren't stated nor implied to be fact and shouldn't be taken as such.. I attempt to make my posts clear that they are my personal thoughts and views AT THAT TIME given what info is available and absolutely are subject to change a little, a lot, or even a whole helluva a lot dependant on what new info is brought to light..

Share and share alike.. We can all learn from one another IMO..:)


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  • #137
I do think we can learn a lot from the aerial maps and I'm going to go back to the places where the phone was thrown and to the metal shed to study the perpetrator's travel away from Sierra's home. I think it suggests a direction and keeping in mind he may have done a reverse for confusion, the odds are he was bent on his crime and aiming at his chosen locus delicti. I think, even independent of the map, it is worth speculating about how long he would wait to subdue her with finality. The sheriffs have placed the ultimate crime close to the abduction, about 20 miles now is my understanding. In terms of map study, unless we are thinking he took Santa Teresa or 101 and went north with no deviation, there are a limited number of roads that are perpendicular and cross 101 for instance.
 
  • #138
What is interesting to me is that the iPod Touch has two cameras, one each front and back. The one on the screen side is (obviously) the one you would use for Facetime, so you could be seen by the camera while watching the other person on the display. BUT... can't that camera also be used to take photos? If so, there would be no need for her to take a "mirror photo" as she apparently did. Maybe an iPod Touch user can explain.

If it was an older iTouch it would ONLY have had one camera...the one on back....
 
  • #139
Sjsleuth, in researching the phones, remember that the weekend of March 9-11 was spent in Fremont.

Yes I understand that. I dont think she ever had posts that said "from iPhone" when she was at her home, so Im thinking she was using her friends device.

But it is still confusing.

If we assume she was "facetiming" herself with her phone and her friends phone/ipod, then why didn't she upload it to twitter from her phone?
Maybe the screen capture is only possible on an iPhone, or maybe easier? ((EDIT)) Actually this doesn't make sense. In the photo, you can see what appears to be an iPhone, or Ipod touch in her one hand. This means the screen capture was done using whatever was in her other hand. I would assume this would be her Android phone. Otherwise she was using TWO other devices that weren't her own. So, if she did the screen capture on her own phone, then why is it uploaded to twitter "from iPhone"??? This would mean she would have had to send it to her friends device and then upload it using her account on her friends device. ((Now im even more puzzled))

Also, maybe her home doesn't have Wi-Fi, so if she does have an Ipod touch still she cant use it while at home.
Furthermore, NONE of SL's tweets or pic uploads say "twitter for Android", but I have seen this in other people's posts. Is this just something to do with her individual model of phone, or the version of twitter she uses? Or is it something else.

There are a lot of possibilities here, but ive gotta feel that if she had access to another device, her friends or parents would have known, and LE would have looked into it.
 
  • #140
Back from the maps, if the driver stayed on Santa Teresa-Hale, traveling NNW, he would have come into a population center seen on the map surrounding Santa Teresa Golf Course. Although he discarded the books & bag at Fisher-Laguna, that road does not cross 101 which is running parallel to the east. Bailey does and was the next big intersection. If he turned left on Bailey, he would have passed the IBM plant but taking a right on Bailey would lead to vast stretches of unimproved land. The ejected cellphone and then the bag are in sequence for him to have reached Bailey as it intersects Sta. Teresa. Since the sheriffs have concluded that he is very familiar with the area, would the IBM center have deterred him from going toward Calero? He does seem to have avoided traffic and dense population.
 
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