Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #14 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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  • #901
Since this red Jetta with black hood has been confiscated, I have been reading up on gangs and trying to educate myself on gangs in California. I all along and up until LE seized the red car thought it was a random stranger abduction, someone who was a sex offender watching poor Sierra for awhile until he made his move. However after reading some newer posts here, Im now leaning towards a strong opinion that this was or is gang related kidnapping. Reading about gang initiation literally had me almost running to the bathroom to throw up. The red and black are colors associated with a terrible gang in the San Jose area, has this been noted on this forum? Their associated colors are red and black.....we really have to pray with all our hearts for Sierra as I believe there is thread of hope that she is still alive and being held by these gang members somewhere nearby....as for the person who asked if there was graffiti on the shed or building near to where her JC purse was found, yes someone posted to this forum many threads back that the word MAYHEM was written there! Again, this apparently is a word associated with some of these gangs. Let us all pray for Sierra!


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When I talked to my 26 yo son about the case yesterday and we talked about the car, the first thing out of his mouth was he was this might part of a gang initiation. He's not part of any gang but he's pretty street smart growing up in the Bay Area.
 
  • #902
just a possibility

What if Sierra had a fight with her mother/step dad the night before and left the house. She contacts her mother via her cell in the morning telling her to leave her some clothes and her bag near the shed and she will pick them up. She also sends an old pic showing the clothes she wants in the bag.

Her mom drops them off on the way to work and assumes she will pick them up (without going home that morning) and wear them to school. Mom assumes she will see Sierra after school. Possibly mom does not want step dad to know she has done this.

The day goes on and Sierra does not pick them up - or they are not there when she arrives to get them and therefore slings her phone out the car window of whoever's car she is with.

She can now go to the concert or party or whatever it was she wanted to do that night. Mom could be hiding some information like the step dad kicked Sierra out or something. That would be why she is acting odd in interviews. I don't feel like the parents hurt Sierra but do feel like the mother could have put the clothes and bag there for her to pick up. Would explain the picture sent to mom matching the clothes in the bag.


:seeya:

BBM: JMO, but I think that there was some "friction" between Sierra and her mother, and not just the "normal" type of "teenage/parent friction" ... Also, and JMO, but I believe there was some type of a "fight" the night before ...

Now IF -- a big IF here, Sierra did leave the house the night before, where would she have stayed ? Or, say if she did leave the night before, MAYBE that is when the perp got her ?

But then it goes back to the "school books" and "JC handbag with the neatly folded clothes" which IMO is STAGED ...

I sure wish LE would release some little tidbits of info ... it might help with the "speculation" ...

:moo::moo::moo:
 
  • #903
Been following the case, but never took the time to actually read her tweets. I just did! For me, they put a completely different light on this case. The tweets are terrible. Obviously serious issues between mom and Sierra.
I feel its not a stranger abduction.
 
  • #904
Been following the case, but never took the time to actually read her tweets. I just did! For me, they put a completely different light on this case. The tweets are terrible. Obviously serious issues between mom and Sierra.
I feel its not a stranger abduction.


:seeya:

I have to say, when I read some of the "tweets" I was "shocked" ... some say that that is how these teenagers "talk these days" ... Back "in my day," no one would have even "dared" talk to or about a parent/adult like that ...

BBM: I totally agree ... I do NOT believe this was a "stranger abduction" ... I believe it was someone who knew her and knew her schedule very well ...

JMO and :moo::moo::moo:
 
  • #905
just a possibility

What if Sierra had a fight with her mother/step dad the night before and left the house. She contacts her mother via her cell in the morning telling her to leave her some clothes and her bag near the shed and she will pick them up. She also sends an old pic showing the clothes she wants in the bag.

Her mom drops them off on the way to work and assumes she will pick them up (without going home that morning) and wear them to school. Mom assumes she will see Sierra after school. Possibly mom does not want step dad to know she has done this.

The day goes on and Sierra does not pick them up - or they are not there when she arrives to get them and therefore slings her phone out the car window of whoever's car she is with.

She can now go to the concert or party or whatever it was she wanted to do that night. Mom could be hiding some information like the step dad kicked Sierra out or something. That would be why she is acting odd in interviews. I don't feel like the parents hurt Sierra but do feel like the mother could have put the clothes and bag there for her to pick up. Would explain the picture sent to mom matching the clothes in the bag.

BBM and JMO, but though we know there was some friction b/w Sierra and her mom, I think it would be kind of weird if she asked her mom to bring clothes and pack them in a nice Juicy bag and just leave them near a random shed on the side of the road. It also seems like she was pretty addicted to her phone. Even if she got in a fight with her parents, I can't see her deliberately tossing it. But, who knows. Also, did she text the picture of herself to her mom? I thought they just found the picture on her computer. The text she sent was to her friend.

As far as the party, if she wanted to go to the party that night, she could have just lied and said she was sleeping over a friend's house or something. It seems (to me anyway) that having her mom leave clothes and the bag near a shed and tossing her phone just to go to a party seems unlikely, but of course, JMO.
 
  • #906
Saw Sierra's missing flier hanging in our local post office this morning. :( Sure hope she is found soon.
 
  • #907
I read Sierra's tweets once and was very uncomforable reading them and never went back to read them anymore.

However; I am a member on FB and unfortunately how Sierra talks is not rare nowadays and more teens are vocal via the net when b*tching about one parent or both. A lot of kids seem to be upset with their parents quite often. I imagine Marlene put her foot down on what Sierra wanted to do at times and nothing infuriates a teen anymore than being told they cant do anything and not getting their way.

But like most kids when it comes down to the nitty gritty they love their parents and I feel Sierra loved her mom. So while Sierra had the typical whine going on about mom I do not believe it had one thing to do with her disappearance.

I just do not see how Sierra could just leave and have no contact beforehand with that person that LE cant find and LE said early on they had found no evidence to make them believe Sierra had runaway.

It is very obivious to me they still do not believe Sierra left on her own willingly. They wouldnt be looking in waterways on private property if they had evidence she ran away. They are looking for evidence such as the rest of her clothing or possible a weapon. LE believes Sierra is a victim of a crime, imo.

So while they may be going on the premise she is still alive because they have not found the crime scene if she is indeed dead......their actions speaks louder than words, imo.

I do hope that the car they have found is the break they need to locate Sierra one way or the other.

I see nothing that shows me she was abducted by a gang either. Gang members arent up that early in the morning, imo.

Whoever did this knew beforehand that Sierra would soon be out walking to the bus stop alone and IMO, they also knew the field workers werent in the field by Sierra's home that day. They took this opportunity because the time was right that day to do so, imo.

IMO
 
  • #908
:seeya:

I have to say, when I read some of the "tweets" I was "shocked" ... some say that that is how these teenagers "talk these days" ... Back "in my day," no one would have even "dared" talk to or about a parent/adult like that ...

BBM: I totally agree ... I do NOT believe this was a "stranger abduction" ... I believe it was someone who knew her and knew her schedule very well ...

JMO and :moo::moo::moo:

Me, too... while we have been told that "this is how kids talk nowadays," I don't buy it. The persona that is put out there could very well attract "the wrong types." She appeared to be enthralled with the gangsta culture. The Tumblir account was blatantly drug-oriented, sexual, mixed in with a lot of vulnerability. Whether it is connected or not, this is dangerous stuff to have out there in the open Internet.

I still think she knew who picked her up. The timing was too tight. The other 3 cases were of someone in a car in busy areas trying to lure a young girl, which happens way too often. MOO.
 
  • #909
Me, too... while we have been told that "this is how kids talk nowadays," I don't buy it. The persona that is put out there could very well attract "the wrong types." She appeared to be enthralled with the gangsta culture. The Tumblir account was blatantly drug-oriented, sexual, mixed in with a lot of vulnerability. Whether it is connected or not, this is dangerous stuff to have out there in the open Internet.

I still think she knew who picked her up. The timing was too tight.

Sadly they do talk this way.

Remember the potty mouth filthy post the 15 year old girl put up on FB for the entire world to read about her parents? The one where her dad shot her laptop 8 times?

Well come to find out she was quite spoiled and was just mad with them because both her mom and dad had already gotten on to her about her language/conduct on the internet.

They made up in the end just like kids and parents do.

But if you had read that post without knowing the truth and really believed all the BS the girl put out you would be convinced they were just sooooo hard on her and she had such a pitiful life!:floorlaugh:

IMO
 
  • #910
Gangs will do anything for money, and there is a lot of money to be made trafficking young girls. I'm not saying it's likely, but I wouldn't rule it out in the least. It happens much more than it is reported, but it happens more farther south closer to the border. It is kind if a stretch at this point, but if LE has a hunch Sierra may be alive, I have almost no doubt they are looking into the possibility. She probably would've been "handed off" shortly after being taken if so, imo.

This is one of the few cases I have ever seen that has this option.
The reason is the high amount of illegal workers that have just come from mexico to work agriculture and other jobs like landscape work. Morgan Hill is within the zone that supports them. This is backed by political people in this area and it may have just bit us in the butt.
It is very hard to get to get a person to the united states but if you want to take a person to mexico, nobody is watching.
They kidnap and sell girls in mexico all the time. For instance There are over 1000 girls missing in Mexico city alone and 350 more missing in Juarez. Everybody is involved including some police and nobody can be trusted. There are brothels that are prisons. Then there are girls that work with escorts that watch them at all times. 14-16 years olds are targets and it is well known by women in Mexico.
Did that happen in this case ? I am not sure but it is a possible senario. If you just got to the United States and you owe a coyote for that trip would you ?? Life is cheap in Mexico.
 
  • #911
I am trying to figure out why LE has not been able to link an actual person to this car...does this car really have anything to do with Sierra?

Or is the ownership of the car fuzzy, and/or had several possible drivers?
Or, they have the car, but no evidence of Sierra having ever been in it? And just having it circling the neighborhood isn't enough for an kind of a charge?

It will be dreadful, IMO, if it turns out this car is either unrelated or can't be proven to be linked to Sierra...
 
  • #912
Me, too... while we have been told that "this is how kids talk nowadays," I don't buy it. The persona that is put out there could very well attract "the wrong types." She appeared to be enthralled with the gangsta culture. The Tumblir account was blatantly drug-oriented, sexual, mixed in with a lot of vulnerability. Whether it is connected or not, this is dangerous stuff to have out there in the open Internet.

I still think she knew who picked her up. The timing was too tight. The other 3 cases were of someone in a car in busy areas trying to lure a young girl, which happens way too often. MOO.

I don't buy the excuse everyone talks that way either. I have a 15 year old. let me see posts like these and he will not have any electronic device to post, text, tweet, call, email, etc. until he is 18 and paying for it himself.

These tweets are vulgar. Not a normal 15 year old. Don't believe she ran away, but I believe she knew the person that took her. I think she was fascinated by the gangsta life. got into something she shouldn't have.

With all that being said, I am in no way saying it should have happened, she deserved it, or anything like that. I am praying she is found save and sound.

Just completely shocked by the tweets. Calling her mom names. Asking someone to kidnap her so she doesn't have to spend the weekend with family. etc.
 
  • #913
This is one of the few cases I have ever seen that has this option.
The reason is the high amount of illegal workers that have just come from mexico to work agriculture and other jobs like landscape work. Morgan Hill is within the zone that supports them. This is backed by political people in this area and it may have just bit us in the butt.
It is very hard to get to get a person to the united states but if you want to take a person to mexico, nobody is watching.
They kidnap and sell girls in mexico all the time. For instance There are over 1000 girls missing in Mexico city alone and 350 more missing in Juarez. Everybody is involved including some police and nobody can be trusted. There are brothels that are prisons. Then there are girls that work with escorts that watch them at all times. 14-16 years olds are targets and it is well known by women in Mexico.
Did that happen in this case ? I am not sure but it is a possible senario. If you just got to the United States and you owe a coyote for that trip would you ?? Life is cheap in Mexico.

Exactly. And as far as "gang members don't get up that early," the ones in my area do a majority of their "work" all night long, and I would bet staying up and extra hour or two to earn a few grand on a vulnerable target wouldn't be an issue for them. I don't think this is likely what happened, but I do think it's a real possibility.
 
  • #914
I am trying to figure out why LE has not been able to link an actual person to this car...does this car really have anything to do with Sierra?

Or is the ownership of the car fuzzy, and/or had several possible drivers?
Or, they have the car, but no evidence of Sierra having ever been in it? And just having it circling the neighborhood isn't enough for an kind of a charge?

It will be dreadful, IMO, if it turns out this car is either unrelated or can't be proven to be linked to Sierra...


:seeya:

BBM: Yes, you would think by now LE would know "something" about this red car ... and JMO but I do NOT think that this car has anything to do with Sierra ...

:twocents: fwiw :

According to LE, none of her family or friends "recognized" this red car ... so, IF this car WAS involved in Sierra's disappearance, then it would have to be a "stranger abduction" ...

JMO but I think she was taken by someone who knows her ... Therefore, this "red car" IMO is NOT related to Sierra's disappearance, as this red car would have been "recognized" by at least someone in her family, one of her friends, or someone in the neighborhood ...

JMO ... but the "school books" and the "JC handbag with the neatly folded clothes" were STAGED to appear as though a "stranger" abducted Sierra ... JMO ... but too many things point away from a stranger and towards someone who knew her IMO ...

:waitasec: I hope that made sense ...

All JMO and MOO ...
 
  • #915
Tried to send a post and it crashed...posting again - why does everyone think gang members don't get up early? I've been reading about gang activity in California specifically and there is a huge presence in San Jose....the gang Nortenos is the gang into red and black. Also the new way of thinking now for gang revenues is the industry of sex slaves.....

Another point out to all parents reading Sierra's tweets and getting horrified...as I've posted here before, this is how many many teens are talking now! Shocking but they are all into gangsta talk, extreme hip hop or rather rap....the style right now if you look at certain shows or fashion shows for the younger gen 20's and younger is very gangsta style. The make up is heavy with lots of eyeliner and they call each other some names we would find appalling. The "B" word is used constantly. However it's not meant to be sinister, it's apparently just the style! To sound "bad". So many are doing it to keep up and fit right in.....Hope this makes sense?


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  • #916
I am trying to figure out why LE has not been able to link an actual person to this car...does this car really have anything to do with Sierra?

Or is the ownership of the car fuzzy, and/or had several possible drivers?
Or, they have the car, but no evidence of Sierra having ever been in it? And just having it circling the neighborhood isn't enough for an kind of a charge?

It will be dreadful, IMO, if it turns out this car is either unrelated or can't be proven to be linked to Sierra...

Here is how this could happen.. again I am not saying it did happen this way.
On craigslist a person is selling a car and in the add it says "car for sale cheap and it has tags or is registered until jan 2013 ..
The buyer "illegal or otherwise" buys the car and never registers it. He is driving a car with current tags, so unless he breaks the law he is not stopped. he may even share the car with others and after the tags run out they leave the car and go get another one.
Did police find the car parked with no apparent owner ? we do not know. LE must keep what they know close to their chest and searches continue no matter what. The news has mentioned that there have been over 6000 searchers and 40,000 hours spent by volunteers and then there are the professional searchers like SAR teams. If she is alive only LE has what it takes to find her and even with that they need Gods help..
You all have a wonderful day.
Never Give Up and Never Give In.
jmho
 
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  • #918
This is weird.

Do you remember the facebook posts from not that long ago where "Sierra" (imposter) posted something that was related to the other missing girl in Sacramento?

She said something about "El Torro" elementary?

I read a comment on the H.M site indicating that someone suspected this individual as the possible perp. I just thought it strange that he lives on "El Torro Ct."
http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/CA18696279A5128/Anthony-Ray-Chavez.html
 
  • #919
Sadly they do talk this way.

Remember the potty mouth filthy post the 15 year old girl put up on FB for the entire world to read about her parents? The one where her dad shot her laptop 8 times?

Well come to find out she was quite spoiled and was just mad with them because both her mom and dad had already gotten on to her about her language/conduct on the internet.

They made up in the end just like kids and parents do.

But if you had read that post without knowing the truth and really believed all the BS the girl put out you would be convinced they were just sooooo hard on her and she had such a pitiful life!:floorlaugh: IMO
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I wasn't referring to SL's posts about her mom, that I understand.

We have been warned for years about the Internet and lack of privacy. How about colleges and prospective employers checking backgrounds on SM? It is being done all the time in this competitive world. If nothing else, parents should monitor kids' postings and SM activity. Once it is online, always online.
 
  • #920
I don't buy the excuse everyone talks that way either. I have a 15 year old. let me see posts like these and he will not have any electronic device to post, text, tweet, call, email, etc. until he is 18 and paying for it himself.

These tweets are vulgar. Not a normal 15 year old. Don't believe she ran away, but I believe she knew the person that took her. I think she was fascinated by the gangsta life. got into something she shouldn't have.

With all that being said, I am in no way saying it should have happened, she deserved it, or anything like that. I am praying she is found save and sound.

Just completely shocked by the tweets. Calling her mom names. Asking someone to kidnap her so she doesn't have to spend the weekend with family. etc.

BBM
Key word here, "he". Seriously, I have both, and girls can be so much nastier than you ever would believe.
 
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