Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #15 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[imkeylime]

I wonder if she had one in her locker.
Seems unlikely she would have only one, but her mother would know. Maybe she did, and seeing it was startling.

But then, if she DID make it out the door, which seems quite possible, why would she forget the inhaler this of all days?

So many ??

Sierra might have had an extra in her locker or the school health office. And she might have had one at her dad's. IDK the "shelf life" of inhalers, but Sierra might have not discarded older ones when she got newer ones, if that's something that Marlene or Steve didn't do for her. (My daughter used to require an epipen for a milk protein allergy, and they seemed to accumulate by year end.)

But once it was apparent that Sierra hadn't made it to school, finding the inhaler would have been scary, regardless.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Thanks to askfornina for the Timeline :

Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7711688/




snipped:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8591214

March 22 Press Conference -- JC Handbag Found

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: Good morning everyone. ... ... ...

Some new information that has developed over the past few days, was that there was a bag, specifically a Juicy purse, a Juicy bag belonging to Sierra Lamar, that was found Sunday about 1pm. Members of the Sheriffs office search and rescue team found this Juicy bag belonging to Sierra. Inside the bag was some of Sierra's clothing. A pair of pants, and a T shirt, neatly folded, neatly put inside this bag. This bag was located on Santa Teresa Blvd, and Laguna, which is within a couple of miles of Sierra's mother's house. The reason the information wasn't immediately made available to the public was because we had to confirm that the clothes did belong to Sierra, and we had to do some further investigative follow up on that. Through confirmation from Sierra's family, and through some of the investigative efforts, we have now confirmed that those clothes, and the bag did belong to Sierra.



snipped :

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/video/#!/n...view/143967166

March 23 interview with parents

Reporter: Can you tell us what your reaction is to the latest announcement of the discovery of your daughters clothes?

Marlene: Well, this is, you know, it's been real, you know, up to this point, but- just, very convicting that there is- there's something not right about this whole situation. You know, as far as her being gone this long and finding the items- it's terrifying. You know? I try not to think bad things and, just- you know, please, you know- keep your strength, baby. I know you have it in you to survive this.

... ... ...

Reporter: The fact that her clothing was folded up in her bag, does that say to you that she was preparing to go somewhere, maybe?

Marlene: I-I, I have no idea. You know, I haven't seen the item- I haven't seen the bag or the items. So, I can't really comment on that. You know, as far as the condition is was- to give you feedback about that.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I thought it was usually LE policy not to share everything with the family. Like, I remember families in other cases annoyed because they weren't allowed to see evidence or anything found or even receive details or updates on the investigation. I wouldn't hold that against Marlene or think she is lying about something dealing with LE not showing her the purse. I am not sure she would even have known the contents of the purse by just throwing some money in and zipping. I can literally do that without even looking at my Purse. I am doubting she rummaged through it.

I don't know-I guess I just don't understand the problem with the lunch money ha ha. I AM still bothered by the inconsistent timeline and still not knowing when he left that morning. That bothers me more than anything else.

:seeya:

BBM: I agree ... the "inconsistencies" in the Timeline bother me "big time" ... the "truth" should never change ... the last morning/time ML and RG saw Sierra should be "clear" -- not "muddled" ...

While I understand the "lunch money" may or may NOT be significant, I find it to be one of those "pesky little details" that when added with the "other pesky little details" amount to "something" is just not adding up IMO ...

All JMO and MOO ...

 

[SkewedView]

:seeya:

BBM: I agree ... the "inconsistencies" in the Timeline bother me "big time" ... the "truth" should never change ... the last morning/time ML and RG saw Sierra should be "clear" -- not "muddled" ...

While I understand the "lunch money" may or may NOT be significant, I find it to be one of those "pesky little details" that when added with the "other pesky little details" amount to "something" is just not adding up IMO ...

All JMO and MOO ...

Amounts to 'something'...what? Other than the type of speculation that would violate the rules of this thread, of course.

I'm being serious here, because if she's so hinky & hiding some big dark secret, I'm stumped as to what it could be that you're hinting at other than criminal complicity. That's why my strong reaction earlier - I'm all for opposing views, but all these hints & veiled remarks are coming across as serious accusations, unless you have some other more harmless 'something' to supply. I'm hoping that you do, and that I'm just misinterpreting the direction of your commentary, in which case I will most sincerely apologize.

All JMO

ETA: By 'you' I mean all of those with similar commentary, not just one individual - it's the comments & their thrust that I'm directing this at, not the commenters themselves.

 

[nursebeeme]

Thanks to askfornina for the Timeline :

Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7711688/




snipped:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8591214

March 22 Press Conference -- JC Handbag Found

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: Good morning everyone. ... ... ...

Some new information that has developed over the past few days, was that there was a bag, specifically a Juicy purse, a Juicy bag belonging to Sierra Lamar, that was found Sunday about 1pm. Members of the Sheriffs office search and rescue team found this Juicy bag belonging to Sierra. Inside the bag was some of Sierra's clothing. A pair of pants, and a T shirt, neatly folded, neatly put inside this bag. This bag was located on Santa Teresa Blvd, and Laguna, which is within a couple of miles of Sierra's mother's house. The reason the information wasn't immediately made available to the public was because we had to confirm that the clothes did belong to Sierra, and we had to do some further investigative follow up on that. Through confirmation from Sierra's family, and through some of the investigative efforts, we have now confirmed that those clothes, and the bag did belong to Sierra.



snipped :

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/video/#!/n...view/143967166

March 23 interview with parents

Reporter: Can you tell us what your reaction is to the latest announcement of the discovery of your daughters clothes?

Marlene: Well, this is, you know, it's been real, you know, up to this point, but- just, very convicting that there is- there's something not right about this whole situation. You know, as far as her being gone this long and finding the items- it's terrifying. You know? I try not to think bad things and, just- you know, please, you know- keep your strength, baby. I know you have it in you to survive this.

... ... ...

Reporter: The fact that her clothing was folded up in her bag, does that say to you that she was preparing to go somewhere, maybe?

Marlene: I-I, I have no idea. You know, I haven't seen the item- I haven't seen the bag or the items. So, I can't really comment on that. You know, as far as the condition is was- to give you feedback about that.

couple that with this: (same time frame... re: end of march)

"This red Jetta was known to investigators early on in the investigation at the end of March," Santa Clara County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Jose Cardoza tells KRON 4's Terisa Estacio. "There are other vehicles that we knew of at the time that were seen by a witness or the surveillance video that we obtained that were also in the area. It wasn't until recently, the last couple of weeks based on some re-interviews and some tips and leads that came in that really piqued the detectives' interest. They believed this red Jetta was associated."

http://www.kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=4125

 

[missingm]

:seeya:

BBM: I agree ... the "inconsistencies" in the Timeline bother me "big time" ... the "truth" should never change ... the last morning/time ML and RG saw Sierra should be "clear" -- not "muddled" ...

While I understand the "lunch money" may or may NOT be significant, I find it to be one of those "pesky little details" that when added with the "other pesky little details" amount to "something" is just not adding up IMO ...

All JMO and MOO ...

I think that all we can do right now is note your suspicions and move on. The police cleared the mother and boyfriend early in this case, and we can only hope that the police was thorough and honest when the checked there alibi's from that morning and took their full story concerning the night before. The only way I could suspect anything is if the pings on the cell phone or IP address from the text on the computer (I am guessing it was the laptop shown) show that either device was not at home at the time. Pretty easy for LE to check out.

 

[La Luna]

Her mother may have called out to Sierra when she coughed because Sierra has asthma, and she was concerned about her breathing.

Yeah, when I originally read that tweet that was exactly what I thought was probably going on. And Sierra then tweeted to her friends the response she was thinking but not saying to her mother, something roughly along the lines of: OMG, just f***ing let me cough!

This for me epitomized how I see Sierra's relationship with Marlene. Not deeply troubled, just the sometimes intense friction between a mother who's trying her best to love and protect and a teen who's feeling smothered by that and rebelling.

And there were a few tweets that indicated it wasn't always rocky.

 

[TxLady2]

I don't know, why wouldn't lunch money be left on the counter or by the door...there is NO WAY my mom would have opened my purse when I was 15...

My parents never gave me lunch money for the whole week, it was always a day-to-day thing, clear on up through my senior year in high school.
My mother would have not only opened my purse but she would have gone through it, item by item, if she thought I was hiding something. She even read my mail! But that was many moons ago. And before anyone asks, I was not a wild teenager at all, they just treated me like one. :floorlaugh:
What I find unusual is that some seem to think it odd that Sierra was allowed to walk to the bus stop unsupervised. What other choice did they have? Marlene went to work more than an hour before Sierra left to go to the bus stop.
I would have died of embarassment if my mom had walked me to the bus stop and watched me get on the bus when I was 15. I didn't even want her to stand in the door or on the porch watching me.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think that all we can do right now is note your suspicions and move on. The police cleared the mother and boyfriend early in this case, and we can only hope that the police was thorough and honest when the checked there alibi's from that morning and took their full story concerning the night before. The only way I could suspect anything is if the pings on the cell phone or IP address from the text on the computer (I am guessing it was the laptop shown) show that either device was not at home at the time. Pretty easy for LE to check out.

BBM: NOT according to Sheriff Smith ... and as of this post, there has been NO further info from Sheriff Smith as to wether or not anyone has been cleared ...

Snipped from : http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/06/ng.01.html

GRACE: We are back and taking your calls in the search for 15-year- old Sierra Lamar. To Sheriff Laurie Smith, Santa Clara county sheriff.

Sheriff, explain to me what is the issue with the live-in boyfriend?

SMITH: We`ve talked with him. We`re continuing the investigation. Until Sierra`s home safely, we`re not eliminating anybody, and any new information that we get or any new suspicions we get, we will absolutely totally follow up.


Hmmm ... Sheriff used the word "suspicions" ...

And as far as I know, it is NOT against the TOS to have "suspicions" regarding a case ...

JMO and MOO ...

 

[SkewedView]

BBM: NOT according to Sheriff Smith ... and as of this post, there has been NO further info from Sheriff Smith as to wether or not anyone has been cleared ...

Snipped from : http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/06/ng.01.html

GRACE: We are back and taking your calls in the search for 15-year- old Sierra Lamar. To Sheriff Laurie Smith, Santa Clara county sheriff.

Sheriff, explain to me what is the issue with the live-in boyfriend?

SMITH: We`ve talked with him. We`re continuing the investigation. Until Sierra`s home safely, we`re not eliminating anybody, and any new information that we get or any new suspicions we get, we will absolutely totally follow up.


Hmmm ... Sheriff used the word "suspicions" ...

And as far as I know, it is NOT against the TOS to have "suspicions" regarding a case ...

JMO and MOO ...

Suspicions regarding the case in general - no problem...exploring suspicions about the family, however...

Snipped from the mod post at the start of each of these threads - BBM:

no one has been cleared but the parents and boyfriend of Siera's mother have not been named persons of interest in the case and we will not be sleuthing or speculating about them at this time...

Just sayin...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Amounts to 'something'...what? Other than the type of speculation that would violate the rules of this thread, of course.

I'm being serious here, because if she's so hinky & hiding some big dark secret, I'm stumped as to what it could be that you're hinting at other than criminal complicity. That's why my strong reaction earlier - I'm all for opposing views, but all these hints & veiled remarks are coming across as serious accusations, unless you have some other more harmless 'something' to supply. I'm hoping that you do, and that I'm just misinterpreting the direction of your commentary, in which case I will most sincerely apologize.

All JMO

ETA: By 'you' I mean all of those with similar commentary, not just one individual - it's the comments & their thrust that I'm directing this at, not the commenters themselves.

:seeya:

BBM : I have my own "theory" as to what I think happened ... I do NOT want to violate the TOS here, so I canNOT post more specific details on my "theory" as to what I "THINK" happened ... Much of the info I have reviewed come from a variety of sources, like social media, comment sections, etc. which are NOT allowed here ...

Anyway, I do NOT believe that any of my "remarks" come across as "serious accusations" ... I always post JMO = Just My Opinion or MOO = My Opinion Only

One "common ground" is that everyone here wants Sierra to be found ...

JMO and MOO ...

:moo:

 

[Mendara]

:seeya:

BBM : I have my own "theory" as to what I think happened ... I do NOT want to violate the TOS here, so I canNOT post more specific details on my "theory" as to what I "THINK" happened ... Much of the info I have reviewed come from a variety of sources, like social media, comment sections, etc. which are NOT allowed here ...

Anyway, I do NOT believe that any of my "remarks" come across as "serious accusations" ... I always post JMO = Just My Opinion or MOO = My Opinion Only

One "common ground" is that everyone here wants Sierra to be found ...

JMO and MOO ...

:moo:

I still want to know who she and her father and sister agreed was "creepy" and that something about him just wasnt right. That was one of her tweets and how she should have runaway before moving to Morgan Hill and how stupid she was for not.

always made me wonder who she was referring to and why would she need to run away before moving.

I really hope she is found.

 

[TxLady2]

I thought it was a little unusual that she zipped the bag up after putting the money in, only because wouldn't Sierra still be using her purse probably several more times that morning? It had to be 6am or earlier when Mom put the money in, if that is when she left. That was my only thing of note, that she mentioned zipping the bag shut. JMO

I'm pretty sure that most mothers would assume their daughter was capable of UNzipping the purse in order to put their makeup and cell phone inside before taking off to school. Maybe zipping purses is a habit of hers. Maybe she wanted Sierra to see that she had lunch money but didn't go into her wallet.
I leave my purse open at home. It hangs on the coat rack and my husband drops receipts into it so I can keep account of his purchases of gas, snacks, etc. in the check register. But if I am going to Wal Mart or some other store, I zip it up before I get out of the car. Unconscious act of habit.
There are always pesky little details that don't come out until later, because we are hardly ever privy to everything that LE is told in the beginning. I keep hearing the truth never changes, but that has nothing to do with it. People never remember every small detail when they're talking about an incident at first. Little things come to mind later and that is not at all unusual... it's just human nature. And believe me... if a person tells the story the same way every time, never adding or taking away the tiniest detail... THAT is when LE becomes suspicious, because it sounds to them like a made-up story.
I just can't see this as being hinky at all.

 

[OldSteve]

Catching up this morning....

My thoughts - I don't care that ML put $$ into the bag, but wonder if she forgot to mention this to LE as well, since it's seems like something she recently thought of for the AMW show....

ML seems in a rush that morning, and IMO she didn't notice what was in the bag....

Her mother's day letter - shows relationship with teen daughter was not smooth sail - and I find that realistically refreshing.... better than the "we are like sisters" kind of thing....

SL appears not to have much of a real social life in Morgan Hill, we don't know what was really going on...but LE must.

Appears mom made her make the move to Morgan Hill... we don't know why but LE must.

 

[missingm]

BBM: NOT according to Sheriff Smith ... and as of this post, there has been NO further info from Sheriff Smith as to wether or not anyone has been cleared ...

Snipped from : http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/06/ng.01.html

GRACE: We are back and taking your calls in the search for 15-year- old Sierra Lamar. To Sheriff Laurie Smith, Santa Clara county sheriff.

Sheriff, explain to me what is the issue with the live-in boyfriend?

SMITH: We`ve talked with him. We`re continuing the investigation. Until Sierra`s home safely, we`re not eliminating anybody, and any new information that we get or any new suspicions we get, we will absolutely totally follow up.


Hmmm ... Sheriff used the word "suspicions" ...

And as far as I know, it is NOT against the TOS to have "suspicions" regarding a case ...

JMO and MOO ...

OK, I didn't see that. I think I may have misinterpreted what was in the beginning of the topic. I also believe that LE did make a statement that they "cleared" the ex-husband. Marlene (Sierra's mother) was very defensive in that interview regarding the boyfriend, even saying that they were alone in the house that morning before later admitting that the boyfriend was there.

Hopefully it was just a very poor strategy to focus the public's attention on other possible leads on a recommendation from LE.

 

[houndstooth]

I'm pretty sure that most mothers would assume their daughter was capable of UNzipping the purse in order to put their makeup and cell phone inside before taking off to school. Maybe zipping purses is a habit of hers. Maybe she wanted Sierra to see that she had lunch money but didn't go into her wallet.
I leave my purse open at home. It hangs on the coat rack and my husband drops receipts into it so I can keep account of his purchases of gas, snacks, etc. in the check register. But if I am going to Wal Mart or some other store, I zip it up before I get out of the car. Unconscious act of habit.
There are always pesky little details that don't come out until later, because we are hardly ever privy to everything that LE is told in the beginning. I keep hearing the truth never changes, but that has nothing to do with it. People never remember every small detail when they're talking about an incident at first. Little things come to mind later and that is not at all unusual... it's just human nature. And believe me... if a person tells the story the same way every time, never adding or taking away the tiniest detail... THAT is when LE becomes suspicious, because it sounds to them like a made-up story.
I just can't see this as being hinky at all.

So many posters like to personalize these case elements to make it about them. Then when you point out things about the case, all the people who have made it about them, feel slighted. When in truth, it is not about them, but about the case.

If she is capable as you say, and no doubt she was of unzipping the bag to add make up or personal items then she would also be capable of unzipping her bag to put in money.

But, as long as her mother felt she needed to put the money directly into her purse for her, I would think that making sure she had her inhalers was at least as important as making sure she had lunch money, if not MORE so.

This I would think would be "routine" as she likes to say.
Put money in, check for inhaler, boom, done.

It's an inconsistency.

 

[MtnDweller]

So many posters like to personalize these case elements to make it about them. Then when you point out things about the case, all the people who have made it about them, feel slighted. When in truth, it is not about them, but about the case.

If she is capable as you say, and no doubt she was of unzipping the bag to add make up or personal items then she would also be capable of unzipping her bag to put in money.

But, as long as her mother felt she needed to put the money directly into her purse for her, I would think that making sure she had her inhalers was at least as important as making sure she had lunch money, if not MORE so.

This I would think would be "routine" as she likes to say.
Put money in, check for inhaler, boom, done.

It's an inconsistency.

We don't know for sure if her mother checks her purse for her inhaler or not. Maybe the inhaler was in her purse when the money was placed in there, and Sierra needed the inhaler that morning, and then inadvertently left it at home on the counter

 

[houndstooth]

We don't know for sure if her mother checks her purse for her inhaler or not. Maybe the inhaler was in her purse when the money was placed in there, and Sierra needed the inhaler that morning, and then inadvertently left it at home on the counter

As a lifelong asthmatic, I can assure you the LAST thing you do, if not the FIRST, is check to make sure you have an inhaler.

I doubt Sierra needed any reminders about her inhaler.

ETA: But, you are correct, we do not know what goes on in the home on a routine basis,
as there are no corroborating witnesses to say one way or the other.
You could however, find out from the father how this was carried out when she lived in his home for comparatives, but that's about all.

 

[MtnDweller]

Suspicions regarding the case in general - no problem...exploring suspicions about the family, however...

Snipped from the mod post at the start of each of these threads - BBM

Quote from moderator:
no one has been cleared but the parents and boyfriend of Siera's mother have not been named persons of interest in the case and we will not be sleuthing or speculating about them at this time...

...this would include name calling and labeling people? Law enforcement and family are liars, controlling, etc ...

(there is a difference between personalizing and giving examples of past experiences and calling out law enforcement and family as liars.)

 

[Tuba]

If Marlene was leaving and it was six a.m., Sierra may have had the inhaler with her rather than in her purse. We lack the information as to the number of inhalers in the house.

I would really welcome the opinions of others on this: no mention was made once the bag was discovered, that there was money inside. "Other items" were mentioned once. Because there was no reference to money, I have always felt that there had once been money in the purse and that it was stolen by the kidnapper. To me, this is just one more indication of his petty focus, along with neat folding. Does this petty focus strike me as odd & unusual? Yes, it does. <modsnip>