Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #16 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[momtective]

Just broke DNA evidence here-Live Breaking:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/vi...ge-in-lamar-disappearance/#.T7v26Y-t22g.email

Searching reservoir for body. :cry:

 

[deanna82437]

Just saw on a video that he and family reside at the Maple Leaf RV Park.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=maple...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl

 

[epiphany]

Mom on CBS San Fran News Update: he said he never saw her [Sierra]; no contact w/her; he said all the time, he passed close, but they said they have evidence in the car

 

[mamamia54]

That My Space is old!!! Is this right or wrong? Somebody help me out here. It doesn't have current pictures or information does it? tia

I don't know, it's the only one that I know of, but that's not the car.

 

[marie-chantal]

Someone posted eariler that they got a virus alert on his pg just fyi

I just visited his MS page (before I saw your post-now I'm running a scan), and I noticed that he's got a few cats as pets. Could he have been feeding the cats near Sierra's house, and then noticed her?

I hope he didn't harm any of his pets. I get creeped out when I see perps with animals.

 

[marie-chantal]

The only thing I could think of was does she mean "not coming up yet" from the water?????

Are they native speakers of English? If not, they might be trying to say, "she hasn't turned up yet". Since "turned up" is kind of an idiomatic expression, they might not know the phrase. If they're native speakers, then never mind-the use of "coming up" is weird.

 

[wantjustice]

I look at this guy and for all intensive purposes I see nothing to make me think he is a killer. This is what so scary because it makes you realize a killer could be so ordinary looking - and be married and have children like the suspect does.

He is so young - just 21, and has pics of "pets" on his MS. Even holding kittens. Yet in the same breath you see pics of dead animals. Now that's kind of weird. He even posted photos of himself as a baby on his MS.

I'm thinking he is a sociopath (I think that's the right word) Someone who blends right in, and even when being considered a suspect does not flee - like he has been somehow able to dissociate himself from the crime. How else could you know you are being followed as a possible suspect and not try to run?

And his family, they may really feel he is a sweet guy because maybe that's all he has allowed them to see. Maybe he has kept his dark side dark.

Just hard to wrap my mind around. I wonder if Sierra had ever talked to him? If maybe this was not such a random abduction? Maybe there is more to this than we know?

Or maybe it was a stranger abduction - maybe he had been stalking her?

So many questions. I feel so bad for all the families involved. And I hold out hope that Sierra is alive too. I know that sounds weird maybe but I guess my motherly instinct does not want to believe she is actually dead.

I totally agree with this. I thought the killer would be a man who was at least 30-40 years old with a criminal background. AGT has a relatively normal life. I see his family and friends don't believe it is him. I give them room for that. I mean the BTK killer lead a double life. This guy must be one of those weirdos where he wouldn't hurt his own family but has no problem hurting other people's family. I hope they can get every piece of evidence to make sure this man never walks.
His myspace pics of the 2 dead animals weirds me out though. Kind of strange. I wouldn't be surprised if he has done some things like being a peeping tom and more but just never been caught. I think he has flirted with the idea of doing horrible things for awhile.

 

[wenwe4]

I hope one of our esteemed WS'rs is able to copy the MS page as I assume it will be taken down fairly soon and it would be nice to have the pics and videos saved to refer to later . . . especially @ trial time!

 

[sreshowtime]

Who is SB to SL, I find it on "find SL fb pages" right row messages first one from S..T as:
" ask SB where is SL" !!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????

thanks

Can you give a date that was asked and which Sierra FB page, I think one is a family one , the other not

 

[Knox]

Not able to keep up with you all right now. Did they say where he got her into the car? Was he on her street?

 

[mamamia54]

I hope one of our esteemed WS'rs is able to copy the MS page as I assume it will be taken down fairly soon and it would be nice to have the pics and videos saved to refer to later . . . especially @ trial time!

I've tried to copy a few, but that page gives me some strange reactions when I go through things. I'll get what I can.

 

[Foxymona]

Right lets all try and calm down a small bit.

So far we have seen dead animals on myspace that he posted and made it out to be probably more than what it is (a dead beaver with the tree he felled crushing him with the caption "sh&% happens" and a dead bird that prob flew into a window)

We have three different witness sketches that we have linked him to (2 IMO do look a lot like him)

We have linked him to another 43 girls missing in the area

3 Safeway attacks

etc. etc.

Now I thought is strange that a 21 year old married father with no serious priors was arrested but we know he was linked to another dodgy attack and we know the FBI (?) said from day one that the perp was not an RSO and probably married which surprised Sheriff Smith and surprised me too. I thought he would not be the usual suspect what with age and no priors and I was completely wrong. That being said I don't want to think he has been a mastermind serial offender JUST MOO.

We are in the unfortunate and necessary opinion of knowing very little and even though my faith in LE was pretty non existent I'm gonna go with they know plenty and it'll all come out in good time.

I also feel very sorry for both families- Sierra still isn't home which is a horror no parent should endure. And imagine the man you love and the father of your children/ son/ brother is a cold calculating child killer... nobody would wish that.

 

[Isabelle]

I'm still trying to come to terms with LE giving family condolences. I would think that would happen much later or after a body has been found or confession made.

 

[mck16]

Mom on CBS San Fran News Update: he said he never saw her [Sierra]; no contact w/her; he said all the time, he passed close, but they said they have evidence in the car

I heard her say that. What do you think she meant? Could he have been looking for work in the fields or maybe even working there? just a thought.

 

[DLynn]

I totally agree with this. I thought the killer would be a man who was at least 30-40 years old with a criminal background. AGT has a relatively normal life. I see his family and friends don't believe it is him. I give them room for that. I mean the BTK killer lead a double life. This guy must be one of those weirdos where he wouldn't hurt his own family but has no problem hurting other people's family. I hope they can get every piece of evidence to make sure this man never walks.
His myspace pics of the 2 dead animals weirds me out though. Kind of strange. I wouldn't be surprised if he has done some things like being a peeping tom and more but just never been caught. I think he has flirted with the idea of doing horrible things for awhile.

Yeah the dead animals pics is definitely weird. And posted under "pets". That's the only clue I see on his profile that he is somehow "off"

 

[gitana1]

Take a look at the sketch on this one and see what you think:

http://www.examiner.com/article/morgan-hill-police-seeking-violent-robbery-suspect

I wish we could gather all the crimes in the area that he possibly could be guilty of, in one post, so we can compare dates, MO's, locations and suspect descriptions!!!

Hello all. I am new to this forum and found it by looking up Lake Cunningham in connection to Antolin Garcia-Torres. I could have sworn that I heard (during the news conf. this morning) photos of lakes and Lake Cunningham were found on Antolin Garcia-Torres's phone. When I rewatched the news conf I heard no mention of it. Am I crazy? I live a few mins from Lake Cunningham and was just there days ago with my fiance and our son to feed the ducks. The lake is open right now. By that I mean you are able to drive in and have a picnic, walk around etc. There were no people at the entrance booths although there may be during the summer. In fact there weren't many people there at all. It is a big lake next to a water park. There has always been talk of things (guns etc) being dumped in the lake because it is so easy to get into and the fact that while it's not a terrible place, when you look at the water you can imagine the talk is true. Not a very pretty lake. My heart is broken for Sierra and her family.....

!!!!WELCOME!!!!

Ugh. His sister needs to not be talking to the media. Good gracious!

I agree. I am not feeling as charitable as most of my fine, fellow sleuthers. Denial to this degree irritates me quite a bit. I see pain in her face but I also see an attitude. Me thinks this creep was very spoiled and excuses often made for his behavior, by his family.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Case-Not-Linked-to-Others-150851955.html

"Earlier, detectives had decided that the case of a 16-year-old San Jose girl who said a man used a stun gun on her on March 23, and tried to force her into a red compact car in Willow Glen, also was unrelated."

It's actually unfortunate that it's not the same perpetrator, discomforting to know that the other guy is roaming freely and will probably strike again.

I'm still not convinced it's not the same guy. This article was on May 8, stating they were trying to link the incident to Sierra's case: http://www.kron.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=4078

Only one day later, they were reporting the cases were not linked. How's that possible? http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Case-Not-Linked-to-Others-150851955.html

Maybe they didn't want to tip off the perp they were getting ready to arrest. Do we have an article since the arrest that reiterates, from LE, that the cases are not linked?

The perps family keeps saying "she (Sierra) hasn't come up!" over and over and over in that video.

Hmmmm.

Up from what?

Guys, this is a common speech pattern for Hispanics who are not well-educated and who grew up either with Spanish as a first language or in an area where most of their peers are second generation. It is not a clue that she knows something more.

In one of the videos he was cooking something in what looked like a bottle cap over something. I've never seen pot cooked like that but who knows these days.

Heroin?

Honestly, I think the sister is trying to justify it in her head. But I think it came off just slightly disrespectful with the repeated "There is no body"...."The alleged crime, because there is no body". I wonder why they think he was arrested then.

I agree.

He'll never give it up if there are others there also. I wish we had more info on the other missing girls. Why is Sierra all over the news & we don't even know who the others are?

I wondered the same thing! Were they troubled girls, classified erroneously as runaways? WTH!

I look at this guy and for all intensive purposes I see nothing to make me think he is a killer. This is what so scary because it makes you realize a killer could be so ordinary looking - and be married and have children like the suspect does.

He is so young - just 21, and has pics of "pets" on his MS. Even holding kittens. Yet in the same breath you see pics of dead animals. Now that's kind of weird. He even posted photos of himself as a baby on his MS.

I'm thinking he is a sociopath (I think that's the right word) Someone who blends right in, and even when being considered a suspect does not flee - like he has been somehow able to dissociate himself from the crime. How else could you know you are being followed as a possible suspect and not try to run?

And his family, they may really feel he is a sweet guy because maybe that's all he has allowed them to see. Maybe he has kept his dark side dark.

Just hard to wrap my mind around. I wonder if Sierra had ever talked to him? If maybe this was not such a random abduction? Maybe there is more to this than we know?

Or maybe it was a stranger abduction - maybe he had been stalking her?

So many questions. I feel so bad for all the families involved. And I hold out hope that Sierra is alive too. I know that sounds weird maybe but I guess my motherly instinct does not want to believe she is actually dead.

I see him as more of an organized killer:

The organized offender leads an orderly life that is reflected in the way he commits his crimes. He is said to be of average to high intelligence, socially competent, and more likely than the disorganized offender to have skilled employment. In many instances, he lives with a girlfriend or is married. He may even be a father. He will plan his offense before the opportunity arises often for weeks, months, and even years before acting. He is aware of his growing compulsion to act out his murderous desire. He will typically use restraints on the victim, and bring a weapon with him, which he will then take with him when he leaves. Typically, the organized offender leaves three crime scenes: Where the victim is confronted, where the victim is killed, and where the victim's body is disposed of.
The organized killer approaches his victims by socializing with them, charming them, or tricking them into a situation where he can overpower them. He typically owns a car, which he then uses in his crimes. He follows the reports of his crimes in the media and changes jobs or moves to a different city when he believes he may be detected. He is sometimes schooled in police investigative methods and he is constantly improving his technique with each additional murder. The longer he kills, the more difficult it becomes for police to catch him (Vronsky 2004).

http://www.helium.com/items/666219-organized-versus-disorganized-serial-killers

AT-G lives at Maple Leaf RV park, Morgan Hill, CA

Google Maps

RV Park to Sierra's house
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=18+Paquita+Espana+Court,+Morgan+Hill,+CA&daddr=15200+Monterey+Street,+Morgan+Hill,+CA+95037+(Maple+Leaf+RV+Park)&hl=en&ll=37.172149,-121.700277&spn=0.041104,0.077677&sll=37.107988,-121.630175&sspn=0.010285,0.019419&geocode=Fa5oNwId3d---CkBrWuufCaOgDHRyPEk2oC0WA%3BFT0zNgIdKRLA-CHX4qHpeCsIMynd4HxQCyCOgDFd-9ITZfsSZg&oq=18+Paq&t=h&gl=us&mra=ls&z=14

Awesome. Thanks for this. Wow, looks like the creep made a straight line to his victim.

Juicy Bag - Cell Phone - Sierra's Home - 2 Safeways - Uvas Search Area - Maple Leaf RV Park


Yep here is the overall mapping with all things included.....I hope lol.

Thank you so much for doing this!! The visual really helps.

 

[mck16]

I'm still trying to come to terms with LE giving family condolences. I would think that would happen much later or after a body has been found or confession made.

It was kind of like a funeral feeling there after the presser wasn't it? That picture and everyone walking by it. Very very sad. jmo

 

[Foxymona]

That My Space is old!!! Is this right or wrong? Somebody help me out here. It doesn't have current pictures or information does it? tia

It's very old but it is his- his 'friend' posted on fb later that she hoped he wasn't involved and couldn't believe he might be...

 

[wenwe4]

So he is living @ home with his Mother and his pregnant wife and baby in his room that he videotaped he and a friend using a hookah pipe? Looks like a couple of pictures of pot and one pic of him exhaling smoke.

There are no sheets on his bed . . . his outside view from his bedroom looks like a gate or fence and an orange tree (?) nearby in the neighbor's yard? This might be a more recent video and not from the farmhouse but looks like it could be from the trailer.

 

[Cottontop]

Can you give a date that was asked and which Sierra FB page, I think one is a family one , the other not

I think the SB reference is to Sylvia Brown, who is well known as a "psychic".