Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #16 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[nursebeeme]

What? I just watched the video and he said it was a case from 2009 he was linked to through DNA....didn't the tazer thing just happen recently? The word tazer isn't even mentioned in the video....

there was one tazer case recently that police said was not related to sierra (but a lot of us still wonder)

that being said there were a rash of attacks in 2009 (one including a stun gun.. but the LEO called it a tazer in the presser)

link above talks about the string of attacks in, conveniently for him, safeway parking lots in Morgan Hills.

 

[gitana1]

Wow, the March link really is something.

Well so much makes sense now. Easy to see how the other attempted abductions were ruled out now, he was being watched.

Unbelievable that no rumours of him being under surveillance, searched etc, made it to the internet.

I think his sister is fighting to hold on to her doubts about his involvement. She doesn't want to believe evidence of Sierra was in the car. She is certainly trying to persuade. That family is in for a rough ride and if they don't have the courage to face the truth whatever dysfunction is there will become even further entrenched.

Could there be evidence in the car that suggest she was left in water? Sand or dirt related to waterways? Could they even tell if say, the driver seat had been wet with lake water?? Or is that magic thinking ... my daughter's wet bathers, through a dressing gown, have left a water mark on my car seat, if they chemically tested it would it show pool chemicals?? When did the water searches start with relation to April 7th?

Smith isn't as smooth as Cardoza when it comes to not answering questions. I can't find any video for Cardoza, does anyone have a link? I have a lot of respect for Marlene and Steve being able to front the media with all that additional knowledge all this time. Comparing Marlene and Smith, Marlene's notable manner of speech isn't that much more awkward, given she's the mother of the victim.

I'm guessing he wasn't so dumb to be planning another crime when they scooped him up if he knew he was being watched. I wonder what made them pick that moment.

I can capture video if someone organises links for me.

We really need to list all the assaults and attempted abductions. Can anyone do that? I don't have time right now!!!!

Because I don't think ANY of them occurred during the time LE was conducting surveillance on this guy.

 

[bgmiller5]

She said CLOSE. Her Spanish accent makes her difficult to understand unless you hear this every day.

Definitely saying he "passed close," as in, drove near her house...but somehow her DNA must have magically got in the car. Sounded like to me she was more-less outing him. Wasn't a very strong defense. I was waiting for her to say "it wouldn't surprise me."

 

[nursebeeme]

Oh dear God I hope they have more than one strand of hair.

the LEO gave me hope and faith that they have a lot of direct and circumstantial evidence..

just to have direct evidence in and of itself is incredible actually.. that means that someone directly witnessed something.

I think someone actually "saw" the car or saw her get into it. They were on that car and him fairly early on.

:moo:

What is the difference between circumstantial and direct evidence?

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that does not expressly prove that the person on trial is guilty of the crime. Rather, it infers that the person is guilty. An example of this is showing a receipt for a knife that the defendant purchased, thus inferring that the same person committed a crime with that knife.

On the other hand, direct evidence straight-forwardly shows that something is a fact without inference or presumption. An example of this is the testimony of a witness who saw the knife being used to commit a crime by the defendant.

Direct evidence can also be:
• Physical evidence of the crime
• Documentary evidence, such as surveillance tapes, audio, or another reliable source.

http://www.probablecause.org/directevidence.html

 

[bgmiller5]

the tazer case was from 2009
http://www.fugitive.com/2009/03/24/...f-unknown-suspect-who-attacked-women-safeway/



(I also linked the police press release upstream)

!!!!!!!

Sketch is dang-near dead-on, too!

 

[mamamia54]

We really need to list all the assaults and attempted abductions. Can anyone do that? I don't have time right now!!!!

Because I don't think ANY of them occurred during the time LE was conducting surveillance on this guy.

Some of these are listed as runaways, and I never trust that, so I'm keeping track of them also.

 

[~n/t~]

the LEO gave me hope and faith that they have a lot of direct and circumstantial evidence..

just to have direct evidence in and of itself is incredible actually.. that means that someone directly witnessed something.

I think someone actually "saw" the car or saw her get into it. They were on that car and him fairly early on.

:moo:

http://www.probablecause.org/directevidence.html

Could be, nurse. I'm just very concerned. What you posted doesn't prove murder even if she was seen in his car.

Watching HLN and Casey Jordan, Criminalogist was on and she's also erring on the side of caution. Just because there may have been evidence of her in the car doesn't necessarily mean he murdered her.

Yes we all hope a jury will convict using common sense in circumstantial evidence case but we've all been burnt a few times. OJ and Casey Anthony come to mind.

Hopefully they have a heck of a lot more than her hair in the car and his fingerprints on her clothes.

:moo:

 

[sherbetjello]

Hopefully they have a heck of a lot more than her hair in the car and his fingerprints on her clothes.

Would it be hard to convict him on this when he has stated, and his family is stating, that he has never met or knew of Sierra?

I mean, how do you NOT know someone but end up with your skin on their clothes and them in your car?

The car part... I know we all fall back on the Casey Anthony trial,... but... how does that DNA get in his car?


I am going to speculate here: Whatever previous attack this character is linked to it must have been a brutal attack. I am a little lost at why the are assuming Sierra is not alive, unless there is a death band, or going off of the previous attack?

 

[Ransom]

Could be, nurse. I'm just very concerned. What you posted doesn't prove murder even if she was seen in his car.

Watching HLN and Casey Jordan, Criminalogist was on and she's also erring on the side of caution. Just because there may have been evidence of her in the car doesn't necessarily mean he murdered her.

Yes we all hope a jury will convict using common sense in circumstantial evidence case but we've all been burnt a few times. OJ and Casey Anthony come to mind.

Hopefully they have a heck of a lot more than her hair in the car and his fingerprints on her clothes.

:moo:

DNA on clothes

 

[~n/t~]

Would it be hard to convict him on this when he has stated, and his family is stating, that he has never met or knew of Sierra?

I mean, how do you NOT know someone but end up with your skin on their clothes and them in your car?

The car part... I know we all fall back on the Casey Anthony trial,... but... how does that DNA get in his car?

Gosh, I hate being devil's advocate.

We haven't heard from him. His family is saying he said. He hasn't said anything to the media. He may have said something to LE. We don't know.

As for the car, his defense could say he gave her lift to the bus or whatever and that's how she ended up in his car.

 

[~n/t~]

DNA on clothes

Again, we don't know what that DNA is. Blood, sperm (??) There is still so much we don't know.

I'm confident they have a case. I'm just hoping they have enough to convict.

 

[nursebeeme]

DNA on clothes

and who knows what else... (they said they also have many more items pending at the lab)

 

[bgmiller5]

Again, we don't know what that DNA is. Blood, sperm (??) There is still so much we don't know.

I'm confident they have a case. I'm just hoping they have enough to convict.

I will look for the link, but I believe at the presser this am they said the reason they have believed her alive is there has been no trace of blood as far as DNA evidence goes. I will look for the link. I've been up for about 32 straight hours and won't sleep for about another 12, but I am trying to keep up

 

[bgmiller5]

Gosh, I hate being devil's advocate.

We haven't heard from him. His family is saying he said. He hasn't said anything to the media. He may have said something to LE. We don't know.

As for the car, his defense could say he gave her lift to the bus or whatever and that's how she ended up in his car.

LE has told media the perp is pleading the fifth (LE or DA may just not want to leak info on what he has said yet). His mom is claiming he told her he has never met "the girl." Not sure if they can use that as evidence, may be hearsay. But, if he did say he never met her and her DNA ends up in the car, that seems pretty damning.

 

[Ransom]

I will look for the link, but I believe at the presser this am they said the reason they have believed her alive is there has been no trace of blood as far as DNA evidence goes. I will look for the link. I've been up for about 32 straight hours and won't sleep for about another 12, but I am trying to keep up

A REPORTER: Did you locate blood in the vehicle that
matched Sierra LaMar?
SHERIFF SMITH: We have not located any blood. But we're
not commenting on -- on really any of the physical evidence.
We want that to remain confidential.

 

[nursebeeme]

Again, we don't know what that DNA is. Blood, sperm (??) There is still so much we don't know.

I'm confident they have a case. I'm just hoping they have enough to convict.

they have sat on him since 28 march. I think they most likely have been advised about their case by the SA during that time and would not have moved to arrest unless they were confident in their case. Of course that is jmhoo.

They also must have realized after connecting him to possibly three other attacks that they have a loose cannon on their hands as they mentioned public safety as a reason to arrest him now..

 

[maedlamsmom]

She said CLOSE. Her Spanish accent makes her difficult to understand unless you hear this every day.

You are probably right. I am horrible with accents. Embarrassingly so... I have been known to turn on the closed captioning during Guy Ritchie movies...

::blushing::

 

[bgmiller5]

Would it be hard to convict him on this when he has stated, and his family is stating, that he has never met or knew of Sierra?

I mean, how do you NOT know someone but end up with your skin on their clothes and them in your car?

The car part... I know we all fall back on the Casey Anthony trial,... but... how does that DNA get in his car?

Absolutely. I don't know if it can be evidence since his mom made the statement, though. He-said she-said, you know how that goes.

 

[nursebeeme]

further thinking: this guy really has to have flipped a switch to leave her bag..! Why do that with his dna on it?

His sister also said in the video that he gave LE two swabs?

Why didn't he take the bag with him?

The bag still perplexes me to be honest.

 

[bgmiller5]

A REPORTER: Did you locate blood in the vehicle that
matched Sierra LaMar?
SHERIFF SMITH: We have not located any blood. But we're
not commenting on -- on really any of the physical evidence.
We want that to remain confidential.

I'm not very humble about my own intuition, but I think you are reading my mind sometimes. Thank you.