Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #16 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[LisaB]

Originally Posted by sreshowtime
Can you give a date that was asked and which Sierra FB page, I think one is a family one , the other not

I think the SB reference is to Sylvia Brown, who is well known as a "psychic".

*LOL* I was thinking Sonofa B*tch...

 

[GrainneDhu]

but why not burn it? throw it in a lake? take it far, far away? I tell you, I am still so perplexed by the placement of the bag... I think it is directly related to one of the secondary crime scenes (was left in haste/not thinking 20 steps ahead)

any way you look at it: it is so utterly horrifying to even fathom... poor Sierra!

(just my guess tho)

Oh, I get you!

The following are all guesses:

1) Taking it far, far away may not have been possible for him if someone was expecting him at home (or elsewhere).

2) He may have imagined that it would delay or prevent identification of her body if no ID was found with it, so he deliberately disposed of the purse in a different place.

3) He may have intended only to rape her and ended up with an unplanned killing, so he felt some remorse. Carefully placing her belongings in a semi-sheltered spot may have been his way of showing some respect.

4) He disposed of Sierra's body and on the way home, did one last check of the car and realised her bag and books were still in it. Ooops, gotta get rid of those but he was feeling the pressure of time, so he chose a place relatively nearby that he thought was unlikely to be searched.

 

[Fashionista_Gal]

Maybe he isn't the only one involved or the only one that knows.

Yes, I just remembered it now that you say it. It's possible. Anything is possible. I remember getting a lot of push-back when I said the Jetta was going to be relevant, so I am allowed to be wrong if I am...but there are many scenarios where she could be alive. I don't think she is, but I hope I am wrong...

Anything is possible and I think we all hope she is found alive. However, LE seems to have good enough reason to believe this is not the case. If this guy was indeed aware he was being watched and if he kept her alive, he would be an idiot to return to her. If he intended on keeping her alive and then realized he couldn't return to her, then she would definitely have passed by now from lack of food or care. Unfortunately, unless there is a second suspect, I don't see how she could be alive at this point given how much time has passed.

If Sierra has passed, I almost hope it happened within hours of her abduction. The thought of her being tortured for days or weeks is just awful.

 

[Merical2]

The thing is, the LE has to have SOMETHING tangible to charge him with murder. Otherwise, when they picked him up, why not just charge him with kidnapping for now? If they arrested him now because they felt he would flee or was a danger to the community, a kidnapping charge would be sufficient to hold him until they did find some sort of evidence. IMO, they have forensic evidence proving Sierra is no longer alive. I don't think it boils down to a HRD dog hit on the trunk of his car, etc. They have something.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have two thoughts floating in my head, both just speculations/my opinion.

1. He might actually be very good at this, back in 2009 he was "just starting out", and has possibly gotten better at what he does. He has seemed to have hidden Sierra very well, and from what I have read so far only skin cells on her clothing (nothing super obvious like sperm or blood). And all his friends and family members have spoken out in disbelief, no signs of this side of him, if they are being honest. I have a hard time believing that he has been violent towards women in the past (his then gf, now wife), and linked to at least one 2009 assault and has sat around for the past few years doing nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being linked to, or confessing to one or more victims. The bag does puzzle me though, why not just destroy it?

2. My other thought is, maybe he did not plan to murder her. Maybe he was just planning a rape/release, but Sierra saw him (if he was initially masked or behind her?), or had an asthma attack or he got a little too rough. To me, this might explain the folding of the clothes, and hiding her things in a safe location. Maybe he was feeling guilt and remorse and was trying to "make amends" in a way by being respectful of her things? Although if he was remorseful at all he would probably fess up, not plead the fifth.

From the very beginning I never believed that her family or Rick had anything to do with Sierra's disappearance. There simply wasnt anything to support it. I always felt this was a crime of opportunity like so many other crimes like this and committed by a stranger unknown to Sierra but I do think he had already picked Sierra to be his victim when he saw her someplace in MH.

I do believe that Torres has committed other crimes even possibly crimes of murder. Until the 43 missing minors are found in that county and those cases solved it tends to make me think he has esculated his violent acts since 2009 which isnt uncommon for sexual predators who start murdering their rape victims. Imo, once they have done a few rapes they yearn for something more thrilling and will begin to murder to experience another hightened sexual gratification by doing so. The more violent acts they commit and arent caught the more they will do, imo, until they make a mistake and are finally caught.

I dont give Torres credit for having any type of remorse. Imo, he simply hid her clothes where he thought they wouldnt be found. I do not believe Sierra had an asthma attack and died either. He had her medication right there with the purse. If that had been the case he would have given her the meds.

I dont believe this man is going to say a word. If he truly had any remorse for what he has done to Sierra he would have told them where he put her remains so the family can bring Sierra home.

Imo, he is going to lawyer up and shut up. Often killers like this likes the control they have over LE and the family when they are the only ones that knows were the body is that everyone is desperately searching for........

I think he is as cold as ice inside and put on a mask for others to see. Deep inside he is a dark evil man who carried out the unthinkable.

IMO

 

[Cottontop]

A few thoughts, for what it's worth.

I think, for whatever reason, the perp did see Sierra on his daily drive to who knows where. Maybe he was the one she referred to in a tweet about someone in a car. ? Although, this crime may be considered random in that he didn't "know" her personally, he knew her routine and that she was the only one on that road at that bus stop. I do no believe that March 16 was the first time he saw her and then he acted.

The news report that broke the news about the skin being the evidence on her clothes also noted that the Sheriff's Office wanted to do an arrest sooner and they were battling with the DA's Office, who wanted to hold out to make sure that they had a solid case before arresting him. I strongly believe that they did surveillance on him for so long, because they were seeing if he would lead them to Sierra, alive or dead. Plus, I think they moved once some type of forensic testing came back proving that she was dead. Maybe they really were working it as he may have her somewhere and if we arrest him, he can't lead us to her. But, all of that changed once the newest test results came up giving them what they need to not only prove that she was in his car, but that she is deceased. Add to that, the new found knowledge that connected him to one previous assault attempt, and they decided to move. Him being arrested at gunpoint in the Safeway parking lot is very interesting indeed. LE has obviously done an amazing job so far, including being private all the while trailing this guy, searching his house and impounding his car.

I also believe that he used some form of device to subdue SL and after taking her, he tossed her phone. I bet his DNA or fingerprints are also on her phone. I think he took her far away at that point. I think (for whatever reason, I just can not still understand) he brought her bag back (maybe at night) and left it by the shed. I think that some sort of evidence of water was on her clothes or on the bag and that is what prompted the water searches. I do not think he harmed her anywhere near where the bag was found, unless he was on some type of drug. It was broad daylight and for him to actually succeed in kidnapping her, his adrenaline must have been on high and he would want to get far away from her home.

Also, if Sierra was actually put in the car, it seems there would be at least one video shot somewhere that shows Sierra in the car. Although, to me, it seems he would have put her in the trunk, so she couldn't be seen by anyone while traveling. Although, if she was in the trunk, not sure how he would have her phone in the front to throw out the window.

Lastly, it was interesting when the Sheriff was asked by a reporter at the press conference, if he has given an alibi for the time Sierra was taken. She kinda stumbled and then something about him not really giving them any information yet... If they suspected him and impounded his car, I can guarantee that one of the first questions he was asked is "where were you on the morning of March 16, as well as the rest of the day?" Right?

Wishing everyone peace in their sadness.

 

[TxLady2]

I am new to Sierra's case an have been trying to catch up, but I have a really big question:

Why did LE have the DNA evidence and keep him under 24/7 surveillance? Why wait so long for an arrest? Were they hoping to catch him attempting another abduction?

I mean, kudos on a job well done, but I am kind of stymied about the delay.

I hope Sierra is found soon.

Ultimately, LE doesn't make the decision when to arrest anyone, that's up to the DA, and they usually don't want to arrest until they know they've got a good solid case against them.

I was thinking... if they've been watching him, maybe they noticed him watching other young women, and were afraid he would attempt to kidnap someone else. The sheriff did say that it was to protect the citizens.

Could be that the results just recently came in from all the testing, too.

 

[GrainneDhu]

If the US as a whole wants to solve crimes fast and maybe even inhibit crime, DNA will be collected on all individuals at birth, and for anyone that is older, DNA will be collected for a drivers license or to be admitted to school. And the DNA will be entered into CODIS. And, that would include fingerprints.

Well, the USA as a whole will never agree. I can say that safely because I will never agree.

There is disagreement as to who said it originally but I agree with the saying "those who would trade freedom for security end up with neither."

 

[Merical2]

Ultimately, LE doesn't make the decision when to arrest anyone, that's up to the DA, and they usually don't want to arrest until they know they've got a good solid case against them.

I was thinking... if they've been watching him, maybe they noticed him watching other young women, and were afraid he would attempt to kidnap someone else. The sheriff did say that it was to protect the citizens.

Could be that the results just recently came in from all the testing, too.

Not to mention that it would seem Safeway parking lot is one of his hunting grounds...

 

[Lovejac]

Such sad, sad news to read today, although I am grateful an arrest has been made.

I understand the parents refusing to give up hope that she is still alive.

It seems to be a random abduction. Our children can't even catch a bus to go to school without fear of a predator snatching them.

 

[mamamia54]

Well guys and gals, if there are 43 missing persons in and around Morgan Hill, I'm not able to find them, so far I've found 4, with one being in Gilroy, not far from MH.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

From the very beginning I never believed that her family or Rick had anything to do with Sierra's disappearance. There simply wasnt anything to support it. I always felt this was a crime of opportunity like so many other crimes like this and committed by a stranger unknown to Sierra but I do think he had already picked Sierra to be his victim when he saw her someplace in MH.

I do believe that Torres has committed other crimes even possibly crimes of murder. Until the 43 missing minors are found in that county and those cases solved it tends to make me think he has esculated his violent acts since 2009 which isnt uncommon for sexual predators who start murdering their rape victims. Imo, once they have done a few rapes they yearn for something more thrilling and will begin to murder to experience another hightened sexual gratification by doing so. The more violent acts they commit and arent caught the more they will do, imo, until they make a mistake and are finally caught.

I dont give Torres credit for having any type of remorse. Imo, he simply hid her clothes were he thought they wouldnt be found. I do not believe Sierra had an asthma attack and died either. He had her medication right there with the purse. If that had been the case he would have given her the meds.

I dont believe this man is going to say a word. If he truly had any remorse for what he has done to Sierra he would have told them were he put her remains so the family can bring Sierra home.

Imo, he is going to lawyer up and shut up. Often killers like this likes the control they have over LE and the family when they are the only ones that knows were the body is that everyone is desperately searching for........

I think he is as cold as ice inside and put on a mask for others to see. Deep inside he is a dark evil man who carried out the unthinkable.

IMO

I also believe he had been watching her before, there is no way at all he could have ended up on the court, right at the time she leaves for the bus, while her parents were not home, without some knowledge of her life and schedule.

Which just adds to speculation that he has done, and gotten away with this before, which baffles me even further about the bag. If he has experience, he has been able to hide his previous crimes. He could have dumped the bag, burned the bag, hidden it w/ her body that they still have not found.

All just my opinion.

 

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It is California having had this specific legislation passed and enforced that has led to resolution in Sierra's case and has without a doubt saved many other young women's lives that ATG would have gone on to continue to hunt and prey on as future victims had he not been identified and arrested due to his DNA being available in CODIS all because of this very specific law of which I speak..

The above 24 states are the ones left that DO NOT HAVE this legislation passed and that desperately need to be aggressively pushed forward this specific legislation just as has already been achieved and is already presently in effect in the other 26 states of the U.S.

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[Tuliptiptoe]

Well guys and gals, if there are 43 missing persons in and around Morgan Hill, I'm not able to find them, so far I've found 4, with one being in Gilroy, not far from MH.

I believe the 43 missing persons were from the entire county of Santa Clara, not just MH area.

 

[Merical2]

Not looking forward to Nancy Grace tonight...can already see it: 'Bombshell Tonight! This just in, authorities make an arrest in the Sierra Lamar case. DNA on the "pocketbook" confirmed as belonging to the suspect...'

Golly, she drives me mad....how she manages to play off the way she interrogated Marline so coldly is beyond me...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ultimately, LE doesn't make the decision when to arrest anyone, that's up to the DA, and they usually don't want to arrest until they know they've got a good solid case against them.

I was thinking... if they've been watching him, maybe they noticed him watching other young women, and were afraid he would attempt to kidnap someone else. The sheriff did say that it was to protect the citizens.

Could be that the results just recently came in from all the testing, too.

I really think the main reason they didnt arrest him until yesterday they were hoping that he would go back to where he discarded Sierra's remains like some killers are prone to do.

Then SS said they got the evidence back on his vehicle connecting him to Sierra yesterday so that is why they arrested him when they did.

IMO

 

[Annie1004]

Unfortunately, I do think she is dead. I just worry about the evidence for that when it comes to a case. For example, if they had real evidence and it was a guarantee conviction, or at least very likely, they could barter for the location of her body with a lesser sentence (Like taking DP off the table). But if he thinks they don't have anything he isn't going to talk at all. And I would rather see him doing life and allow that poor family to bury their daughter IMO. And I would definitely rather him do life than get a lesser sentence for just kidnapping.

Believe me, in California, if he is convicted, he'll outlive us all with appeals (that we taxpayers provide). He'll have to get in line behind the 600+ death row inmates for execution. California is trying to abolish the death penalty as I write.

 

[bgmiller5]

Oh, I get you!

The following are all guesses:

1) Taking it far, far away may not have been possible for him if someone was expecting him at home (or elsewhere).

2) He may have imagined that it would delay or prevent identification of her body if no ID was found with it, so he deliberately disposed of the purse in a different place.

3) He may have intended only to rape her and ended up with an unplanned killing, so he felt some remorse. Carefully placing her belongings in a semi-sheltered spot may have been his way of showing some respect.

4) He disposed of Sierra's body and on the way home, did one last check of the car and realised her bag and books were still in it. Ooops, gotta get rid of those but he was feeling the pressure of time, so he chose a place relatively nearby that he thought was unlikely to be searched.

Maybe he was going to go back and get the bag and books to dispose of them in the near future, since he drives by that location a lot. Searchers found it before he could. He thought he had it well enough. Maybe disposing of her took priority and he wanted to make sure he didn't have anything of hers on his person while he did that.

 

[mamamia54]

I believe the 43 missing persons were from the entire county of Santa Clara, not just MH area.

Well, that's sorta what I need to know, lol, what all cities would that be? I'm not from that area. Can you name some please. :banghead:

 

[~n/t~]

Questions:

Couldn't they charge him with kidnapping, keep him locked up and continue investigating and when they had enough to up the charges to murder do so at that time?

Also, his DNA was in the database and that's how they got him. Was he charged for any of those other crimes?

TIA