Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #18 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[Ransom]

Well neither did the mention of the Tweets that morning.
So it's not the only thing that got skimmed over.
And there is a problem about the tweet.
Answer: just don't mention it.

Tweet = ONE tweet that morning. What is the problem with it? She replied YES and then retweeted a friend's message at 6:29 a.m. (PST)

http://twitter.com/#!/cccairuh

 

[SmoothOperator]

My question is this.. we now know that sierra did NOT privately send her photo via text or email at 7:00am that morning.. in statement of facts it specifically states that she posted that photo of herself at 7:00am to a social media site. Now we all have thoroughly studied her accts where do you all suppose this photo was posted? And why would it be renoved or deleted when nothng else was? And we know its not to hide what her appearance was that morning as they released the actual photo? So i am stumped as to where this photo was posted?

 

[paris_paris]

Maybe Sierra threw her purse at him? I have no idea.

 

[Ransom]

My question is this.. we now know that sierra did NOT privately send her photo via text or email at 7:00am that morning.. in statement of facts it specifically states that she posted that photo of herself at 7:00am to a social media site. Now we all have thoroughly studied her accts where do you all suppose this photo was posted? And why would it be renoved or deleted when nothng else was? And we know its not to hide what her appearance was that morning as they released the actual photo? So i am stumped as to where this photo was posted?

Here's the statement of facts again:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kion/statement_of_fact.pdf

Her private FB. Just a guess.

 

[Ransom]

Maybe Sierra threw her purse at him? I have no idea.

Here's the map where her bag was found. NOTE: there is an unpaved road off the paved road. It leads you very, very close to where the PVC pipes are visible. Right behind those pipes is where the bag was found. The legend at the bottom gives you feet and meters for distance. :moo:

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=q5ywdr4vp8b2&lvl=19.61&dir=2.85&sty=b&form=LMLTCC

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

Here's the map where her bag was found. NOTE: there is an unpaved road off the paved road. It leads you very, very close to where the PVC pipes are visible. Right behind those pipes is where the bag was found. The legend at the bottom gives you feet and meters for distance. :moo:

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=q5ywdr4vp8b2&lvl=19.61&dir=2.85&sty=b&form=LMLTCC

I've wondered about these dirt roads off into the fields. Looks to me easy to pull in there, put the bag in the side of the shed, and head north on that road.

If you keep following the dirt roads north, there's a old barn. Wonder if its been searched.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My question is this.. we now know that sierra did NOT privately send her photo via text or email at 7:00am that morning.. in statement of facts it specifically states that she posted that photo of herself at 7:00am to a social media site. Now we all have thoroughly studied her accts where do you all suppose this photo was posted? And why would it be renoved or deleted when nothng else was? And we know its not to hide what her appearance was that morning as they released the actual photo? So i am stumped as to where this photo was posted?

:seeya:

Yes, that photo ... another "mystery" in this case ... actually, one of many "mysteries" in this case ...

:moo:

 

[Ghostwheel]

You never hear her back it up and speak about it being AGT instead, like she misspoke about the "who", discarded the bag.

Her do-over wording is about the issue of thrown.
It appeared to me she was attempting to ward off questions about
how it was launched a considerable distance without becoming not
neatly folded in the process.

But, I don't see how it got there in the scenario they have given without scent trail or being thrown. Apparently there aren't any fingerprints on the handle or obvious places to show ATG touched the outside of the bag.
So it may be just Sierra's and Marlene's fingerprints left from handling the bag.

Or it may have NO fingerprints, which would be very strange indeed. That would mean the handle had been wiped and whomever put it there (I got from the statement that it had just been discarded, not "thrown away", semantics to me meaning not thrown at all) wore gloves or handled it with a towel.

Hmm. If a towel was used to handle the bag and contents, and the towel had previously been used by the assailant, then it could leave DNA.

 

[houndstooth]

Or it may have NO fingerprints, which would be very strange indeed. That would mean the handle had been wiped and whomever put it there (I got from the statement that it had just been discarded, not "thrown away", semantics to me meaning not thrown at all) wore gloves or handled it with a towel.

Hmm. If a towel was used to handle the bag and contents, and the towel had previously been used by the assailant, then it could leave DNA.

Why would Sierra need to do that?
The Sheriff said Sierra discarded the bag.
Why would she be wiping her own prints?

 

[Ransom]

I've wondered about these dirt roads off into the fields. Looks to me easy to pull in there, put the bag in the side of the shed, and head north on that road.

If you keep following the dirt roads north, there's a old barn. Wonder if its been searched.

Or easy to just turn around and go back to Santa Teresa Blvd. The CAR was caught on surveillance video.

Remember: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-sierra-lamar,0,6729674.story

The car was seen at the time and place where the teenager disappeared on March 16 in an unincorporated area of Morgan Hill.

The same car was also captured on surveillance video from buses and local businesses near where other evidence in the case was found.

ETA: Evidence found ... 1) her phone 2) her bag at that shed 3) WHERE else? JMO

 

[mmmagique]

I don't know how common it is but I do know that when my mother had her hair cut for the first time it was in the last year of her life (it just got to be too much for her to care for), my dad insisted on keeping the braid. I'm sure he still has it.

When my husband cut off his long hair, he kept the braid.

After I was in ICU and had to cut off most of the length of my hair (it was hip length), my husband wished he could have kept a braid. There was just no way because it was one massive mat.

I've had a couple friends who kept their braids or their partner kept their braid.

So it just doesn't seem that weird to me. Or maybe it means I hang out with weird people! LOL!

After grandma died, I was going through her things, and I found a bag of her red hair that stated it is her hair "before it turned gray" (which didn't happen until she was well into her 80's, and even then, it was mostly red)

I keep that bag of hair, and the note with it, along with some pictures and a rose from her funereal wreath.

 

[jujigatame]

Does anyone know if ATG has any tattoos or known gang affiliation?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Why would Sierra need to do that?
The Sheriff said Sierra discarded the bag.
Why would she be wiping her own prints?

When did the Sheriff say Sierra discarded the bag? Do you have a link?

The Sheriff said the she didn't know if the bag was tossed or placed there, she never said by who.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Why would Sierra need to do that?
The Sheriff said Sierra discarded the bag.
Why would she be wiping her own prints?

Yes, Sierra would NOT do that. Exactly. You interpret what the sheriff said differently than I do.

Within the quote of (BBM)

SHERIFF SMITH: Sierra was a very social girl. She had a
lot of friends. She communicated with her friends all the
time through social media outlets, through telephoning. From
the time that she was reported missing, there was absolutely
no contact. There has been no contact with any of her
friends. We have no reason to believe that she ran away. We
now have a stranger who we identified through DNA on her
property. Also, her property she threw away or discarded --
she did not throw away. Discarded was her property that she
would have taken -- that she would have taken with her,
including medication.

My interpretation is that the sheriff was mis-speaking and correcting herself. The Sheriff did NOT go back and say "She discarded her property", she said "Discarded was her property." She could not say WHO discarded it, because they don't have that information.

You may interpret it differently should you choose, but that doesn't mean I will interpret it that way, nor will I insist anyone interprets it my way. It just makes more sense to me my way, and no sense to me the other way.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Or easy to just turn around and go back to Santa Teresa Blvd. The CAR was caught on surveillance video.

Remember: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-sierra-lamar,0,6729674.story

The car was seen at the time and place where the teenager disappeared on March 16 in an unincorporated area of Morgan Hill.

The same car was also captured on surveillance video from buses and local businesses near where other evidence in the case was found.

ETA: Evidence found ... 1) her phone 2) her bag at that shed 3) WHERE else? JMO

:seeya: I am trying to make "sense" of the surveillance videos and where the evidence was found ... so just jumping off the info here ... please correct or add to if needed ... TIA.

1. Cell Phone :

- Found in a field ...

- Are there any businesses / homes close enough that would capture this red Jetta in their surveillance tapes ?

- Could a survillance video from a bus capture this red Jetta ?


2. Handbag and School Books :

- Found near a "shed" ...

- Are there any businesses / homes close enough that would capture this red Jetta in their surveillance tapes ?

- Could a survillance video from a bus capture this red Jetta ?


3. Any OTHER EVIDENCE found :

If so, where and was it caught on surveillance video ?


This is what I would like to know with respect to these "surveillance videos" of this red Jetta :

- Does the video show Antolin AND Sierra in the video ?

- Does the video show Antolin's License Plate ?

JMO ... but just because the red Jetta has other distinct features is not enough IMO ... it has to be "positively identified" as belonging to Antolin, as well as it has to show Sierra IN that vehicle ... otherwise, it would be an "assumption" ...

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[askfornina]

TIMELINE:

CA Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 timeline and media thread - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


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[ozazure]

I never heard or read anyone say Sierra discarded the bag!!

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Well, it would be nice to have every step of every crime committed on video tape but that's not possible. So what they do is take the evidence they do have and put the puzzle together. They have more evidence than we have been told. They have no obligation to tell the public anything and they certainly are not going to release all the information prior to the trial. I've never known of a case in which they did.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Of course dogs don't take the stand!
Was it the handler who said the scent ended at her driveway?
Was it the handler who stated that the scent ended near the front door area?
Was it the dog handler who now says it stopped in the middle of the cul-de-sac?
I haven't heard from the dog handler.
I've heard from the Sheriff and the LE spokesperson.

It's not the dog's accuracy that concerns me. It's the people who speak for the dog.
If her scent ended in the middle of Paquita Espana then LE should have said, it ended in the middle of Paquita Espana or no comment.
It's just that simple.
I know the front door area is no where near to being confused with the middle of the cul-de-sac.

There's a game that LE plays with the media, on the assumption that the perp may be following coverage of the case (some perps do, some don't). Law enforcement isn't obliged to tell the public the whole truth during an investigation and they often play word games.

Law enforcement can even lie to the public during an investigation but from following many cases, I believe out and out lies are rare. It's usually more a matter of withholding the entire truth and letting the public jump to their own conclusions.

Saying that Sierra's scent was tracked to the end of the driveway was accurate; it just wasn't the whole truth. I'm not ashamed that I jumped to the obvious conclusion that her scent ended there because I think the vast majority did.

Anyone local saying "no, she made it to X spot down the street" would be an obvious self-selected individual for an extra look. It's not uncommon for someone who shouldn't know something to either know it or pass it along as gossip, thereby creating a signpost pointing at the perp.

As an investigative tool, I wouldn't call it high probability but look at how much had to be invested in order to use it: about 15 seconds at a press conference. Very cheap and could help.

I'd do the same thing.

 

[Ransom]

Why would Sierra need to do that?
The Sheriff said Sierra discarded the bag.
Why would she be wiping her own prints?

BBM: She did NOT.

My post #825 gave you the transcript.
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Here's the presser: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/vi...press-conference-on-sierra-lamar-murder-pt-2/

Mark: around 1:20 and LISTEN to her ENTIRE statement ... everyone make up your own minds!!

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