Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #19 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[Sunday]

I have held the belief that Sierra was murdered from the get-go. That was before I researched sex trafficking in CA. I had no clue that this was going on and to the degree that it is. If she was taken for that purpose, the type and location of DNA discovered in the car, bag, etc., makes perfect sense. This would also explain why the body hasn't been located. It would also explain the oddness of his previous failed kidnapping attempts - You use a tazer or stun gun if you want to ensure that your victim remains alive. Just thinking out loud here.

 

[OldSteve]

From the news thread:

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-ca...ound/-/5738758/16418784/-/8t5n5v/-/index.html

UPDATED 6:38 PM PDT Aug 29, 2012


Video at link

 

[OldSteve]

This might turn out to be a tricky case. I hope LE has really good evidence!

It's that Tumblr page that has me wondering if there might be more to this case than we know... though nothing excuses the loss of her precious life!

 

[sarx]

I have held the belief that Sierra was murdered from the get-go. That was before I researched sex trafficking in CA. I had no clue that this was going on and to the degree that it is. If she was taken for that purpose, the type and location of DNA discovered in the car, bag, etc., makes perfect sense. This would also explain why the body hasn't been located. It would also explain the oddness of his previous failed kidnapping attempts - You use a tazer or stun gun if you want to ensure that your victim remains alive. Just thinking out loud here.

Yep, I have talked over and over about the sex trafficking here in CA. Terrifying isn't it?

 

[cluciano63]

I believe LE has the evidence that Sierra is dead, and that this guy killed her. This is not the kind of the arrest, or types of charges ,to be made in haste.

 

[sarx]

Need to drop it on here so I can reference it later.
Melissa Duran of Henderson, NV. What is up with another red car with a black painted hood connected to an abduction? (Yes, I know that the car in Sierra's case is with LE)

 

[Whisperer]

Yes. Do a little checking in to how some of these lifers are living. Richard Allen Davis the miscreant that abused and murdered Polly Klaas is a perfect example. He has "fans" he corresponds with, attends all sorts of hobby shops, has waffles, steak, and food that most people can only get as a special treat. The San Quentin prison menu sounds like the Four Seasons compared to what "civilians" eat. Prison is a freakin country club for this losers. Why wouldn't they commit crimes? They go "home" and brag about their deeds and get "creds".
I agree with whoever said it would have been his Mom who talked. She seemed like a good lady. And I bet she knows where Sierra is. Because she does seem to be a good person, I'm sure she's not sleeping well at night either. Let's pray she does the right thing.

This woman could be helpful. If she wanted to do the right thing, she would have by now. Her husband has been raping her daughter for years. One of her sons died in Mexico recently, I think it was drug-related. I suspect these people are not here legally. She has been covering for her family for years. I was hoping she would do the right thing, but I doubt it.

I bet that wife of his has a pretty good idea where Sierra may be. The family is very selfish and are only thinking of themselves. Mother and daughter in law could possible solve the case as they know his daily habits.

I'll give you the breakfast menu. That is what I'll always remember. Usually eggs, always hot cereal, bacon or sausage/ham. They have milk and juice on the tray. A large pastry, like a cinnamon bun (fresh). They have choice of tea of coffee. They always took the sugar packets

Lunch is a brown bag with fruit and milk. It always looked to be some kind of mystery meat sandwich. Not appealing at all but they saved the fruit to make their pruno

Dinner was typically, meat, two vegetables, milk. decaf coffee...they saved sugar packets for the pruno.

 

[sarx]

Re-visiting SAR maps. Ugh...

 

[Whisperer]

As far as thinking there are many innocents sitting in prison, I wish you could read the files. I have read thousands. There are too many, if any, doing serious time for being an innocent "victim".

It is very rare for a prisoner to not have a serious record/trail behind him before every entering a State Facility.

 

[sarx]

As far as thinking there are many innocents sitting in prison, I wish you could read the files. I have read thousands. There are too many, if any, doing serious time for being an innocent "victim".

It is very rare for a prisoner to not have a serious record/trail behind him before every entering a State Facility.

It does happen on occasion but it sure as heck isn't the norm. It's just really big news when it does. Course if you ask them, they're all innocent...

 

[Whisperer]

It amazes me how quick people are willing to convict the LE for getting the wrong guy. They all tell you they are innocent. There are mothers and wives insisting on it too. Of course, you have to take into consideration, they are bias and can't believe their loved ones could do such a thing. I know of one who had a husband that was convicted of murder. No, he didn't murder the guy but he was with the person who did so while they were robbing a jewelry store. She is heavy on the bandwagon to free him, claiming his innocence. Techncially, she's right but according to the law, he is guilty. She is presently fighting for is release.

Once in a while, we see somebody getting freed. I consider this the exception rather than the rule. Yet, we are led to believe otherwise by the media.

There will always be people who confess to a crime they didn't commit. And, yes, they may be people that are perfectly innocent (I hadn't read a file like that). I see many serious offenders walking out of the courthouse. It is my opinion many more go free than are wrongfully convicted.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I have held the belief that Sierra was murdered from the get-go. That was before I researched sex trafficking in CA. I had no clue that this was going on and to the degree that it is. If she was taken for that purpose, the type and location of DNA discovered in the car, bag, etc., makes perfect sense. This would also explain why the body hasn't been located. It would also explain the oddness of his previous failed kidnapping attempts - You use a tazer or stun gun if you want to ensure that your victim remains alive. Just thinking out loud here.

That would also explain the hesitancy to make a guilty,or not guilty plea...

He may not have killed her... But human trafficking and potential death is a felony too!

I am just thinking out loud because I am certainly no expert in laws!

 

[Whisperer]

Re-visiting SAR maps. Ugh...

If he removed all the clothing, my bet is she is laying on land. The "fishing" story could have been a red herring. As we all know, the human body completely skeletonizes within two weeks if left outdoors in warm weather. The animals do the job of removing all evidence.

Unless she was concealed under brush or contained, I don't know how anyone will find her. What if he buried her? I doubt it, but I don't doubt that he may have covered her in heavy brush...just like Guandique did with Chandra levy. It took a guy walking his dog, looking for turtles to stumble across her. Of course her clothing was there, which really helped with ID.

 

[TxLady2]

Houndstooth, I agree with you on this issue, and I have my own reservations regarding this case. Everyone has been saying that they are disgusted with AGT postponing the case going to trial. This makes no sense to me. If he truly did kill Sierra, wouldn't he want to hurry up with the process, considering her body has not been found? He could theoretically avoid being charged with the murder if they prosecuted without a body, and found it later, under the rules of double jeopardy. Granted, some of the delays are likely not attributable to him anyhow, but are probably due to the standard court delay related issues like public defenders with too many cases.

Not sure what you mean by the part I bolded. Do you mean if he was acquitted in a trial and they later found her body? Yes, that's double jeopardy, he couldn't be tried or even charged again. But technically, he's already been charged with murder. Unless they drop the charges, there is no way he can avoid them now.
Charged with a crime and convicted of a crime are two very separate things, but I'm sure you know that.

 

[LinasK]

Houndstooth, I agree with you on this issue, and I have my own reservations regarding this case. Everyone has been saying that they are disgusted with AGT postponing the case going to trial. This makes no sense to me. If he truly did kill Sierra, wouldn't he want to hurry up with the process, considering her body has not been found? He could theoretically avoid being charged with the murder if they prosecuted without a body, and found it later, under the rules of double jeopardy. Granted, some of the delays are likely not attributable to him anyhow, but are probably due to the standard court delay related issues like public defenders with too many cases.

Not sure what you mean by the part I bolded. Do you mean if he was acquitted in a trial and they later found her body? Yes, that's double jeopardy, he couldn't be tried or even charged again. But technically, he's already been charged with murder. Unless they drop the charges, there is no way he can avoid them now.
Charged with a crime and convicted of a crime are two very separate things, but I'm sure you know that.

:wave: Actually I know the answer to this one- Here in the Bay Area, Hans Reiser was tried and convicted for the murder of his wife without her body (he told everybody she fled to Russia). Upon sentencing he gave up the body. No double jeopardy, and he was convicted without the body.

 

[sarx]

Read an interesting write up about a group taking advantage by using Sierra's name and cause to get funds. Only issue is I'm not sure which group it is, and am concerned that people may just start to steer away from donating period.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Read an interesting write up about a group taking advantage by using Sierra's name and cause to get funds. Only issue is I'm not sure which group it is, and am concerned that people may just start to steer away from donating period.

Sarx,

I'm not sure if this is the same one that you read about or not: http://missingpersonsnews.com/famil...furious-over-sale-of-magnets-on-the-internet/

 

[rachaellouise]

IIRC A relative of AGTs said that he found the bag and that's why his prints are on it or something like that.. maybe he'll plead not guilty and go with that depending on the prosecutions evidence?

 

[*Lash*]

I think it's about the Constitution.
His original lawyer stepped down because he was so close to retirement.
I think he took it to start with because he thought it was going to be a
slam dunk to top off his career.
That didn't turn out to be the case.

The tactic is to give the new attorney time to review the case and be able
to offer a defense.
The clock won't start until a plea is entered. That would severely limit the time the PDs office would have had to prepare.
He will plead not guilty.
The defense from what I understand has cell phone records subpoenaed.
An interesting turn of events.

BBM - Unless I have missed another change in attorneys, AGT's first attorney did not step down because of retirement. He stepped down due to a conflict of interest. I believe the conflict was due to Mandel's office representing AGT'S father.

• The Santa Clara County public defender first assigned to represent the Morgan Hill man charged with kidnapping and killing 15-year-old Sierra LaMar is no longer on the case because of a conflict of interest, NBC Bay Area has learned.

• A source said that Mandel's conflict of interest arose because his office is representing Garcia-Torres' father, Genaro Garcia, who is in Santa Clara County Jail on allegations he sexually abused a relative. He was charged with 11 counts of lewd and lascivious acts, and three counts of aggravated sexual assault with a minor under 14.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Suspect-157859145.html

 

[rosesfromangels]

If he removed all the clothing, my bet is she is laying on land. The "fishing" story could have been a red herring. As we all know, the human body completely skeletonizes within two weeks if left outdoors in warm weather. The animals do the job of removing all evidence.

Unless she was concealed under brush or contained, I don't know how anyone will find her. What if he buried her? I doubt it, but I don't doubt that he may have covered her in heavy brush...just like Guandique did with Chandra levy. It took a guy walking his dog, looking for turtles to stumble across her. Of course her clothing was there, which really helped with ID.

Thank you for all your posts; they are incredibly insightful. As gruesome as it sounds, even if they just found a bone I believe they could i.d. her DNA? And yes, I agree with everyone who said I believe his mother (the enabler) and his child bride (another victim really?) most likely know where Sierra is, or could piece together enough info to figure it out. If they do know and don't share that information, they will have to answer to God Almighty in the days after. For that, we should truly attempt to try to feel sorry for them, although I can't at the moment.
Perhaps it's fear that is holding them back? I hope that somehow they can realize that they would be heros, and so respected by everyone for stepping forward and doing the right thing! Let's pray they come to that understanding.