Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #19 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[*Lash*]

that purse, what a corundrum
I guess we will never know what, if any, fingerprints, etc were found on the located items beyond the presumed dna...
I am curious if where the purse was located, was searched on Sat or was Sun the first time

In my opinion, AGT was not concerned with leaving DNA or forensic evidence. According to the Safeway attacks he appears to have a history of leaving evidence.

Snip- The suspect in those incidents, who was never identified or arrested, confronted three women on separate occasions near their parked vehicles at night. The suspect entered the vehicles and locked the doors and attempted to assault the women. He was scared off by passersby or the victim’s resistance in all three incidents.

The suspect used a stun gun on one of the victims, and punched another of the female victims in the string of assaults. Authorities did not say which of the three incidents Garcia-Torres was linked to.

Police produced an artist’s rendering of the suspect shortly after the Safeway attacks, and even recovered his stun gun, but the crimes were not solved.

http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/...cle_c55b89d1-6c6f-5335-ad3f-91e527f96922.html

 

[sreshowtime]

actually I am talking about anything left from unknown someone(s) other then AGT...or Sierra of course

 

[Supaplex]

Off topic (apologies but i don't know how to request a thread being created) but saw this on facebook on the Find Sierra Lamar page and wondered if a thread has been created or should be? https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.p...46747993.72853.212865135400495&type=1&theater

 

[rosesfromangels]

Jumping off the article today that talked about how complicated this case is and the delays. Something that has been bugging me to no end is the dang bag. The bag was left purposely some place that it would be found and yet it has his DNA on it? Why would he take the time to fold the clothes all clever like, put the bag somewhere far enough off from public view, but close enough for LE to find and then, what, forget that he contaminated it???? It just doesn't make sense. So, if he didn't put it there, then who did? And where does that connection go?

Let me play off Old Steve's dumpster hypothesis. I could see a homeless person rumaging through a dumpster that AGT had thrown her possesions in and finding this pretty little purse. That could account for it being transported?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Unless he offers an explanation for the bag at some point, truthful or otherwise, we won't know why it was there and it could be any number of possibilities.

I lend towards a theory that the crime he committed went faster than he liked, and he spent time with her belongings and perhaps intended to return to spend more time with them. He couldn't take them home, nowhere there to hide them from his partner and mother. There is nothing to suggest there was more than one person involved or his wife or mother had knowledge of this so early in the piece.

I think sometimes we over think the planning criminals do. I don't doubt that some of them take into account forensics, but I imagine for many sexually motivated attacks the planning they do is fantasy based and regarding the logistics of the successful attack ... getting it done without being stopped more than getting away with it. Consequences don't feature heavily in some people's decision making process if at all, not noly when it comes to crime but all aspects of life. He is hardly an example of someone making thoughtful choices for a successful life.

I think by now we'd know if he was associated with Sierra in any way via drugs. She tweeted that she was offered drugs multiple times on her first day at school, she didn't have to go far afield. That's even if she was doing that stuff in Morgan Hill on any regular basis, which from what I gather, she wasn't. But anyway, kids don't usually buy drugs by themselves, they are with their friends. Her friends would have known him also and they don't.

Surely a remote location would be a far better place to dispose of a body than anything to do with a supermarket you no longer work for?? He would likely have no more access than you and I, he would potentially be recognised there, and from what I can see are open 24 hours a day, so no time when no one is around.

You make some really excellent points in your post. One thing that I would open up for reevaluation is the supermarket connection I keep mentioning. He certainly felt comfy enough to go attack 3 women there despite the fact they are open 24 hours. Perhaps he had coverage from another employee there, or an accomplice of some sorts? No clue, just pondering.

 

[sreshowtime]

I would imagine LE has already done this, but are any locals still posting on here.... can you shed light on gang activity?

I am wondering what is known about Varrio Azteca Nortenos. Their hood is Calero over to Santa Teresa, north & south up to Indian , according to my research.
I found a young man,googling around, that professes that gang affiliation, that does landscaping..made me go hmm.

Isn't t that something ATG did?

Also a lesser know gang, Trailor Park Boys over in the Four Seasons Trailor Park on Monterey & Ford...about 8 miles/15 mins from her house.

Am I spinning my wheels to research further, or could there be an unknown component

 

[LinasK]

By Tracey Kaplan [email protected]
Posted:09/19/2012 08:19:50 PM PDT
Updated:09/19/2012 08:20:53 PM PDT
Defense attorneys frequently bring up an accused killer's beleaguered childhood, hoping to soften up a judge or jury and secure a more lenient sentence. But even before Antolin Garcia-Torres is tried next year in the killing of 15-year-old Sierra LaMar, his dysfunctional family background surfaced Wednesday in a highly unusual way -- during his father's trial on child molestation charges.
Genaro Garcia Fernandez, 51, is charged in Santa Clara County Superior Court with 18 sex crimes against two female relatives. Prosecutors allege he first fondled the primary victim when she was 4 years old and began raping her periodically when she was just 7 -- in the same small San Martin home where his son, Garcia-Torres, grew up.
If Fernandez is convicted, he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Garcia-Torres, 21, is also facing a life sentence. Prosecutors allege he kidnapped and killed LaMar, who disappeared from Morgan Hill on March 16. Her body has never been found. But her DNA was in Garcia-Torres' car.
The jury of 10 women and two men in Fernandez's trial will not be told of his connection to the accused killer. Garcia-Torres' father's history also will not figure in the son's trial, though it may come up during sentencing if he is convicted of killing LaMar.
Garcia-Torres' family background may ultimately be seen as grounds for sympathy or merely as the pathological root of his suspected criminality. But his father's case offers a glimpse into what life was like in the family home where Garcia-Torres was raised. more at link: http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...-accused-killer-morgan-hill-teen-sierra-lamar

 

[rosesfromangels]

By Tracey Kaplan [email protected]
Posted:09/19/2012 08:19:50 PM PDT
Updated:09/19/2012 08:20:53 PM PDT
Defense attorneys frequently bring up an accused killer's beleaguered childhood, hoping to soften up a judge or jury and secure a more lenient sentence. But even before Antolin Garcia-Torres is tried next year in the killing of 15-year-old Sierra LaMar, his dysfunctional family background surfaced Wednesday in a highly unusual way -- during his father's trial on child molestation charges.
Genaro Garcia Fernandez, 51, is charged in Santa Clara County Superior Court with 18 sex crimes against two female relatives. Prosecutors allege he first fondled the primary victim when she was 4 years old and began raping her periodically when she was just 7 -- in the same small San Martin home where his son, Garcia-Torres, grew up.
If Fernandez is convicted, he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Garcia-Torres, 21, is also facing a life sentence. Prosecutors allege he kidnapped and killed LaMar, who disappeared from Morgan Hill on March 16. Her body has never been found. But her DNA was in Garcia-Torres' car.
The jury of 10 women and two men in Fernandez's trial will not be told of his connection to the accused killer. Garcia-Torres' father's history also will not figure in the son's trial, though it may come up during sentencing if he is convicted of killing LaMar.
Garcia-Torres' family background may ultimately be seen as grounds for sympathy or merely as the pathological root of his suspected criminality. But his father's case offers a glimpse into what life was like in the family home where Garcia-Torres was raised. more at link: http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...-accused-killer-morgan-hill-teen-sierra-lamar

Bad blood. Period.

 

[Whisperer]

I would imagine LE has already done this, but are any locals still posting on here.... can you shed light on gang activity?

I am wondering what is known about Varrio Azteca Nortenos. Their hood is Calero over to Santa Teresa, north & south up to Indian , according to my research.
I found a young man,googling around, that professes that gang affiliation, that does landscaping..made me go hmm.

Isn't t that something ATG did?

Also a lesser know gang, Trailor Park Boys over in the Four Seasons Trailor Park on Monterey & Ford...about 8 miles/15 mins from her house.

Am I spinning my wheels to research further, or could there be an unknown component

I have to wonder if AGT is connected to workers on Sierra's st. I am not familiar with gangs there but admire what you have uncovered.

Do we know if AGT had friends? Was he the same AGT we had pics of at his graduation? He looked very pleasant if it was him. He was smiling and looked happy.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

Why would he not only return the purse with her belongings, but return the purse to a location so close to where she was abducted?

I am still not convinced he is guilty of kidnapping and murdering Sierra. I think there is a chance that the person who is responsible is still roaming the streets. Unfortunately, that information will only come to light when another beautiful young girl disappears under similar circumstances.

I know most people do not agree with my opinion, and I can accept that. Please just refrain from throwing any heavy objects in my direction.

Off topic question: I am wondering if the police had gotten any closer to finding out the identity of the young woman in the garbage can? I have been trying to find any new info to no avail. If anyone has any links to share I would be very appreciative.

 

[OldSteve]

Why would he not only return the purse with her belongings, but return the purse to a location so close to where she was abducted?

I am still not convinced he is guilty of kidnapping and murdering Sierra. I think there is a chance that the person who is responsible is still roaming the streets. Unfortunately, that information will only come to light when another beautiful young girl disappears under similar circumstances.

I know most people do not agree with my opinion, and I can accept that. Please just refrain from throwing any heavy objects in my direction.

Off topic question: I am wondering if the police had gotten any closer to finding out the identity of the young woman in the garbage can? I have been trying to find any new info to no avail. If anyone has any links to share I would be very appreciative.

Good to think outside the box, and welcome all opinions!
It would not be the first time the wrong person has been held...

What makes this case tricky is that tumblr page of her's... just based on that page, I could easily see a connection between her and AGT if he was selling pot and/or connected to the kind of people she appeared to admire on her tumblr page, and if (the really big if) she really was like the person she portrayed herself on her tumblr page... Still, I figure what she did on tumblr was simply facade; a pretend world..

 

[OldSteve]

You make some really excellent points in your post. One thing that I would open up for reevaluation is the supermarket connection I keep mentioning. He certainly felt comfy enough to go attack 3 women there despite the fact they are open 24 hours. Perhaps he had coverage from another employee there, or an accomplice of some sorts? No clue, just pondering.

BBM - many times thugs return to places they feel safe/comfortable at.
Considering all the effort spend investigating lakes and ponds, a bit surprised more (any) time wasn't spent at the supermarket.

 

[sarx]

Why would he not only return the purse with her belongings, but return the purse to a location so close to where she was abducted?

I am still not convinced he is guilty of kidnapping and murdering Sierra. I think there is a chance that the person who is responsible is still roaming the streets. Unfortunately, that information will only come to light when another beautiful young girl disappears under similar circumstances.

I know most people do not agree with my opinion, and I can accept that. Please just refrain from throwing any heavy objects in my direction.

Off topic question: I am wondering if the police had gotten any closer to finding out the identity of the young woman in the garbage can? I have been trying to find any new info to no avail. If anyone has any links to share I would be very appreciative.

Personally, I love seeing all well thought out theories. Even if I have my own, I always welcome other ideas to ponder as some times they allow for one of those "ah-ha" moments that changes everything.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

I was actually a little afraid to read the responses to my post. Thank you Old Steve and Sarx for your comments. I know it seems illogical, given the certainty of LE that he is the perp, but I still have reservations.

You guys are awesome! I frequent this site and follow many of the threads very closely, but I don't chime in very often. Thanks again for making an effort to make me feel comfortable.

 

[Eileen730]

I was actually a little afraid to read the responses to my post. Thank you Old Steve and Sarx for your comments. I know it seems illogical, given the certainty of LE that he is the perp, but I still have reservations.

You guys are awesome! I frequent this site and follow many of the threads very closely, but I don't chime in very often. Thanks again for making an effort to make me feel comfortable.

I have questions about the purse and her clothes being folded and placed there.
The clothes were neatly folded.... Its like she changed clothes and was going to come back and change again wasnt there a little shed there.... I wonder if this was something she had done before ... I dont know but like you im not so sure AGT is the guy!

We know she was in AGT's car but what story is he telling!
Keep him in jail but if there is someone else responsible find that person also!

 

[Eileen730]

I was actually a little afraid to read the responses to my post. Thank you Old Steve and Sarx for your comments. I know it seems illogical, given the certainty of LE that he is the perp, but I still have reservations.

You guys are awesome! I frequent this site and follow many of the threads very closely, but I don't chime in very often. Thanks again for making an effort to make me feel comfortable.

There wouldnt be a WEBSLEUTHS without all the different opinions!

 

[Knox]

By Tracey Kaplan [email protected]
Posted:09/19/2012 08:19:50 PM PDT
Updated:09/19/2012 08:20:53 PM PDT
Defense attorneys frequently bring up an accused killer's beleaguered childhood, hoping to soften up a judge or jury and secure a more lenient sentence. But even before Antolin Garcia-Torres is tried next year in the killing of 15-year-old Sierra LaMar, his dysfunctional family background surfaced Wednesday in a highly unusual way -- during his father's trial on child molestation charges.
Genaro Garcia Fernandez, 51, is charged in Santa Clara County Superior Court with 18 sex crimes against two female relatives. Prosecutors allege he first fondled the primary victim when she was 4 years old and began raping her periodically when she was just 7 -- in the same small San Martin home where his son, Garcia-Torres, grew up.
If Fernandez is convicted, he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Garcia-Torres, 21, is also facing a life sentence. Prosecutors allege he kidnapped and killed LaMar, who disappeared from Morgan Hill on March 16. Her body has never been found. But her DNA was in Garcia-Torres' car.
The jury of 10 women and two men in Fernandez's trial will not be told of his connection to the accused killer. Garcia-Torres' father's history also will not figure in the son's trial, though it may come up during sentencing if he is convicted of killing LaMar.
Garcia-Torres' family background may ultimately be seen as grounds for sympathy or merely as the pathological root of his suspected criminality. But his father's case offers a glimpse into what life was like in the family home where Garcia-Torres was raised. more at link: http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...-accused-killer-morgan-hill-teen-sierra-lamar

I did not realize the female children who were abused were his own daughters

Seems like everyone in the household knew what was going on for years. Not a stretch to think Antolin knew this too. He saw his Father's perversion, and that he took what he wanted by force. Not hard to connect the dots with what he grew up with in the home and Sierra's abduction and murder.

Once again we see a Mother (Laura Torres) failing to protect her children, it sickens me!!

LittleMissContrary ... totally respect your right to that opinion. But how do you explain Sierra's DNA in his car? If he merely met up with her as someone else suggested to sell her pot, why not just say that up front? Instead he said from the get-go, that he did not know her, never saw her before. IMO, LE has the right person in custody.

 

[sarx]

One of the many theories floating out there is the possibility that she had had contact with ATG prior. Absolutely NOTHING to confirm this, but if she did, well, there's the connection to the DNA in the car.

 

[Knox]

One of the many theories floating out there is the possibility that she had had contact with ATG prior. Absolutely NOTHING to confirm this, but if she did, well, there's the connection to the DNA in the car.

Wouldn't he say he had prior contact rather than face a murder charge?

 

[cluciano63]

I am confident that LE has the right guy. I don't think we will ever know the truth about the bag and the clothing, we may just have to speculate on that one forever.