Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #5 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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  • #581
I just think it's better practice to say 'they appear to be' or something like that, then actually committing to the public that they were used. Not sure why this is bothering me lol ::doh::

Maybe it is the fact that they were unable to tell us whether the underwear in Sierra's bag was (or even "appeared to be") "clean" or "worn" yet quickly stated that the condoms WERE (not appear to be) "used".

Of course, as horrible as it is to say out loud, blood or fecal material visible on the OUTSIDE of the condom might eliminate doubt rather quickly.
 
  • #582
Still sticking with my hunch as a possible scenario, and IF a perp is taunting LE as I suspect they are, I would not be surprised if he contacts LE or media in some way. Again, IF my theory is correct, he will want to be referred to by a name HE selects, as did BTK, The Zodiac, etc to add to his sense of grandeur. I also suspect a similar crime in a nearby area NOT the immediate area, by him while LE is busy chasing clues, which he will want credit for. :moo:
 
  • #583
Okay - I hear everyone. They were used condoms!

No need to tell me again.

Everyone has missed my point. But that's okay. Let's continue sleuthing :)

Honest I tried to get everyone off the subject !!! :seeya::waitasec:
 
  • #584
1) Two condoms could indicate 2 perps or it could indicate 1 perp with, uh, repeating power.

I doubt they are connected. I think it much more likely that there's a couple or two couples in the area who are practising safe sex--good for them!

2) No way to know how long the box was out there without knowing exactly what type of search(es) were conducted previously and without forensics.

If it is connected, I would guess that the handcuffs came in the box and the perpetrator just threw the box on the ground after getting them out.

I highly doubt they're connected, though.

3) The condoms were not found in the box, they were found on the ground nearby.

4) Unless a reporter gets lucky, the only way to know the answer to this question is if LE releases the info. Or if LE puts up the yellow tape and the big evidence van rolls up in front of the ghods, the media and everyone.

Some article quote found NEAR the box
Others quote IN the box.
Take you pick. :fence:
 
  • #585
If this:

(snip)
3)Did the perp(s) put them in box with the attention of taking them from the scene and disposing of them, but then forgot them?


is what happened, and he realized it later, he'd have probably realized he could not go back for it. It is possible that IF RELATED, Sierra managed to knock the box out of the car intentionally without him noticing.
 
  • #586
Still sticking with my hunch as a possible scenario, and IF a perp is taunting LE as I suspect they are, I would not be surprised if he contacts LE or media in some way. Again, IF my theory is correct, he will want to be referred to by a name HE selects, as did BTK, The Zodiac, etc to add to his sense of grandeur. I also suspect a similar crime in a nearby area NOT the immediate area, by him while LE is busy chasing clues, which he will want credit for. :moo:

I disagree who ever did this I think knew her I am almost postive of that. And even though the LE is saying Highly unlikely she did not runaway. I am not 100% convince of that yet. As there are to many thing on twitter that I have seen and other places that make me think she just might have.
 
  • #587
I disagree who ever did this I think knew her I am almost postive of that. And even though the LE is saying Highly unlikely she did not runaway. I am not 100% convince of that yet. As there are to many thing on twitter that I have seen and other places that make me think she just might have.

:D and I totally respect your (and others') differing opinions. I have not carved anything in stone yet, and my theory is subject to change as new leads and evidence are uncovered. Feel free to disagree with anywhere my one active brain cell travels. :blushing:
 
  • #588
The box was reported to be a packing box on which the word "handcuffs" was written, not a cuff manufacturer's box...correct?
 
  • #589
The box was reported to be a packing box on which the word "handcuffs" was written, not a cuff manufacturer's box...correct?

ONLY thing I read was "cardboard" box and the word "handcuffs".
 
  • #590
Does anyone think its a little odd how much the FBI got involved with this case? Is that normal?

I kinda have a hunch that something in this case resembled another case, or they are suspecting this may be connected to a human trafficking ring or something similar.


The only thing ive been able to determine in this case is that pretty much anything is possible with the amount of evidence we've seen.
 
  • #591
The box was reported to be a packing box on which the word "handcuffs" was written, not a cuff manufacturer's box...correct?

I tend not to take that too literally myself, it could have been poor wording on the part of the person relaying it. I would probably say something was "written" on a package as opposed to the more lengthy printed at time the box was manufactured or what have you.
 
  • #592
Putting it in perspective...

How close to the searchers are reporters permitted to be? I would expect the areas to be cleared and NO other parties anywhere nearby...and most particularly when any yellow tape goes-up to define a scene for evidence collection.

I know word travels and some reporters are dogged, but aren't searchers instructed NOT to talk to the media?

I'm still sticking to my take that LE did not intend for this info to be released (which helps me weigh its value/relevance).

And I'm curious to know what other evidence has been located (plenty, from what I understand), details of which were not released for public consumption.

~just musing/jmo~
 
  • #593
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Its been two weeks. Just making a guess but I don't believe she is in the area. They may have to start looking south. Way south. Possibly towards Phoenix AZ.
About 12 hours away. I5South to I10East.

Is there any particular reason you think that or is it just a gut feeling? Not that there's anything wrong with gut feelings; I'm just curious.

What about taking the I5 north towards Canada? Maybe not crossing the border, but heading north. I also notice that many national parks (including Yosemite) are within just a few hours drive from Morgan Hill.
 
  • #594
Does anyone think its a little odd how much the FBI got involved with this case? Is that normal?

I kinda have a hunch that something in this case resembled another case, or they are suspecting this may be connected to a human trafficking ring or something similar.


The only thing ive been able to determine in this case is that pretty much anything is possible with the amount of evidence we've seen.

Normal and common. Just looks through just some of the current cases here. jmo

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac/non-family-abductions

It’s a fearsome thought: a child snatched by a stranger. Who investigates these crimes? We do. It’s our job to handle cases of child abductions, often working closely with state and local law enforcement.

In 1932, Congress gave the FBI jurisdiction under the “Lindbergh Law” to immediately investigate any reported mysterious disappearance or kidnapping involving a child of “tender age”—usually 12 or younger. And just to be clear, before we get involved there does NOT have to be a ransom demand and the child does NOT have to cross state lines or be missing for 24 hours.

ETA: much more at link about the CARD team, etc.
 
  • #595
Putting it in perspective...

How close to the searchers are reporters permitted to be? I would expect the areas to be cleared and NO other parties anywhere nearby...and most particularly when any yellow tape goes-up to define a scene for evidence collection.

I know word travels and some reporters are dogged, but aren't searchers instructed NOT to talk to the media?

I'm still sticking to my take that LE did not intend for this info to be released (which helps me weigh its value/relevance).

And I'm curious to know what other evidence has been located (plenty, from what I understand), details of which were not released for public consumption.

~just musing/jmo~

I assume they are, but people LOVE to talk. So ........ JMO
 
  • #596
I assume they are, but people LOVE to talk. So ........ JMO

Telephoto lenses, boom trucks etc give reporters a bird's eye view as well, and they are in competition with each other to get it out first. MOO
 
  • #597
Putting it in perspective...

How close to the searchers are reporters permitted to be? I would expect the areas to be cleared and NO other parties anywhere nearby...and most particularly when any yellow tape goes-up to define a scene for evidence collection.

I know word travels and some reporters are dogged, but aren't searchers instructed NOT to talk to the media?

I'm still sticking to my take that LE did not intend for this info to be released (which helps me weigh its value/relevance).

And I'm curious to know what other evidence has been located (plenty, from what I understand), details of which were not released for public consumption.

~just musing/jmo~

I tend to agree with you on this. I think there is plenty that LE is not telling us. I also think it's a good point about the FBI getting involved almost pretty much immediately.

One more thought - (I'm not mentioning the condoms :) ) but, it is hard for me to picture teenagers having kinky handcuff sex out in a field or in a car. Anything is possible though.
 
  • #598
I assume they are, but people LOVE to talk. So ........ JMO

Thanks!

Exactly my point: I still feel this info was not released for any purpose (real or surmised) by LE.
 
  • #599
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Is there any particular reason you think that or is it just a gut feeling? Not that there's anything wrong with gut feelings; I'm just curious.

What about taking the I5 north towards Canada? Maybe not crossing the border, but heading north. I also notice that many national parks (including Yosemite) are within just a few hours drive from Morgan Hill.

I mentioned south, because the weather would be about the same. Warm.
Going North would be getting into colder weather. More city congestion etc. But if they stay South it stays warm and more open and easier to travel. Plus the person/persons she is with just seems to me to know there way around going south instead of north. Plus the person she is with probably is a southerner. And came North from the south to get into the neighborhood.

Even though its been two weeks now. I believe she is still alive at this time. She means more alive to the person.persons she is with than she would be dead. I don't want to say like a trophy to someone. But it seems to me she is being held somewhere. If she was not being held against her will, I think she would have at least called home to let mom and dad know she is OK. There might be a phoenix connection between one or both.

The above all MOO and speculation on my part.
Nothing posted as being fact, unless otherwise known to be.
 
  • #600
Just in :)

Huffington Post - detailed info on items found and police statements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/sierra-lamar-search_n_1391955.html?ref=mostpopular

Volunteers searching for clues in the disappearance of California teenager Sierra LaMar discovered a handcuff box and used condoms about a mile from where she had likely been abducted.

The items were found Thursday afternoon by a volunteer associated with the KlaasKids Foundation, said a spokesman for the Santa Clara County Office of the Sheriff.

"We did collect [the items] as possible evidence because of the nature of the items and [because they were found] close to Sierra's mom's house," Sgt. Jose Cardoza told The Huffington Post.

The items were found at the end of Palm Avenue, which is about a mile from where Morgan Hill, Calif., resident LaMar was supposed to board the school bus the day she disappeared. The handcuff box was empty and the used condoms were found about 5 feet away, according to Cardoza.

"It was a small box. It had a label on it that said 'stainless steel handcuffs,'" Cardoza said. "There are a handful of manufacturers that make them. The [professional ones] all come in rectangular cardboard boxes as this one was [but] even some knockoff brands come in a cardboard box as well."
 
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