Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #5 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[oceanblueeyes]

she could have been wearing a sports bra for PE. i know when i go out to exercise, i never wear a regular bra. and a lot of times, i wont wear "cute" undies under my sweats and/or yoga pants if im gonna be sweating like crazy. i'd wear the ugly stuff and save the cute stuff for after i was showered and nice and clean. just my 2cents.

I really dont think that happened, and I dont believe, Steve, her father is buying that either and Sierra lived a long time in his home so he would know what she did and did not do.

He is baffled with her clothes being in her purse. This leads me to believe this was not something Sierra never did. Maybe outter clothing but not the bra and panties.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't believe that her father would know if she did carry clothes in her purse or not. Just MOO

I think he would know. A lot of fathers are very observant what their daughters carry in their purse. A lot can be learned just by looking at the contents in a purse.

And even Marlene never mentioned Sierra carrying a bra and her panties in her purse. She said she occasionally exchanged clothes with some of her friends.

Well I did exchange clothes with my friends but I never exchanged bras and panties with them but I never put them in my purse.

IMO

 

[Skully]

There is no backpack. SL carried her stuff in her Juicy bag. No scent were found around the fields where items were found. Searchers found the items and pings led to her cellphone. Bag found further down the same street one day later after finding her cellphone.

Presser where Juicy bag findings are discussed: article/video of Sgt. Cardoza
http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news...cle_db3bf222-744a-11e1-b2b5-001a4bcf6878.html

I guess my question is; if the cloths she had on are the ones in the juicy bag, was there time for her to undress and fold them and put them in her bag and then either her or the kidnapper toss them the distance found in the time they traveled? Does that make sense? There has to be more than one person. You can't have someone restrained and yet have them take the cloths off. So another person has to be in the car, giving directions and tossing stuff out. Why fold the cloths if you are tossing them away, and would she be in the frame of mind to take such care to fold them knowing what is going on? God They need to find her and the people involved, this is so sad and scary.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess my question is; if the cloths she had on are the ones in the juicy bag, was there time for her to undress and fold them and put them in her bag and then either her or the kidnapper toss them the distance found in the time they traveled? Does that make sense? There has to be more than one person. You can't have someone restrained and yet have them take the cloths off. So another person has to be in the car, giving directions and tossing stuff out. Why fold the cloths if you are tossing them away, and would she be in the frame of mind to take such care to fold them knowing what is going on? God They need to find her and the people involved, this is so sad and scary.

One of my granddaughters has this very same Juicy purse. It is medium size. I think they folded the clothes so they could get them in there along with the books. It wouldnt have fit if they had just been rolled or balled up.

IMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I know what you mean...MOO Thing is,though, if this had been a move over something going wrong in a big way in Fremont, wouldn't Sierra have been more vocal about it on her twitter and tumblr accounts ? There is just not a lot that she mentions about the move, reasons why it happened etc. Unless such posts were removed,for some reason ?

These are some good points, and some that I did not think of ... lol ... TY !

Hmmm ... good point that maybe some of the tweets were removed ?

:moo:

 

[Skully]

I see why LE thinks she was taken by someone very close to where she lived. She could have been taken to a home in the neighborhood and then taken to a secondary place.

This person knew her
Knew the fact she was walking out that door and what time
Knew no one was going to be home or with her
Knew they could get her into the car
Knew they could toss out the phone and no traffic behind them to spot the action, again the same with the purse.
Had a way to get her out of the cloths, and keep going
Or did they back track with the purse and toss it later?
Knew she told no one he was meeting her if that was the plan
Knew the car he drove, would not be seen,
Or the car if noted or plates noted, wouldn't lead to them

This was a huge risk on this guy or guys part.

It is so like the Jennifer Odem case. The person has never been caught and yet they knew so much that they were able to accomplish a kidnapping and murder in daylight.

 

[Skully]

One of my granddaughters has this very same Juicy purse. It is medium size. I think they folded the clothes so they could get them in there along with the books. It wouldnt have fit if they had just been rolled or balled up.

IMO

I wonder if they found prints other than her's? If not, they either wore gloves, or she put the stuff inside.

 

[LisaB]

Not ignoring your post HONEST :seeya: I ham poping in and out from work.I am not a computer Geek at all but best way to describe Tumbler is like a webpage she has, Some of the pics and post and graphics were something that shocked many of us from day 1 for a 15 yearold.
If you go to I think the very 1st thread there is a link you might have to scroll for awhile.
Sorry I know not much help but like I said at work
BTW see Maryland? Take not the Mega winner Laffin :waitasec:

Thanks. I have to check that out. I am home from work because I have contractors in my house. Not like the old days when you let workers in and went on your way.

If I had won, I would never tell... but TES and Klaaskids and a few others would be getting anonymous grants.

 

[LisaB]

I know that LE says the clothes were folded. But "everyone" (her dad, van Zandt, etc) do not think there is an easy explanation for this. The main reason is the fact that the underclothes were included, which, unless this was due to a color difference between outfits, would seem to be out of character for her or any teen.

LE did not show the clothes to the press or public, or, presumably, the parents. But they STRESSED that they were "neatly folded". Either there is something unique about the manner in which they were folded, or they weren't folded at all and LE is IMO disseminating false information to lure someone out who will dispute this, even privately to people he/she thinks she can trust.

There was a movie a while ago where a teenager was killed and a few local kids knew she was lying dead in or near a stream and even went to look from time to time, but it took weeks for anyone to "tell". I believe the story was true, and very shocking. If it was a teenager, someone may know, but not have decided who/how/if they should tell.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I know what you mean...MOO Thing is,though, if this had been a move over something going wrong in a big way in Fremont, wouldn't Sierra have been more vocal about it on her twitter and tumblr accounts ? There is just not a lot that she mentions about the move, reasons why it happened etc. Unless such posts were removed,for some reason ?

Or she was embarrassed or felt shame by them?

There arre things I never told my high school BFF, and they never told me.
Some of them came out decades later...some never have.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

I guess my question is; if the cloths she had on are the ones in the juicy bag, was there time for her to undress and fold them and put them in her bag and then either her or the kidnapper toss them the distance found in the time they traveled? Does that make sense? There has to be more than one person. You can't have someone restrained and yet have them take the cloths off. So another person has to be in the car, giving directions and tossing stuff out. Why fold the cloths if you are tossing them away, and would she be in the frame of mind to take such care to fold them knowing what is going on? God They need to find her and the people involved, this is so sad and scary.

This is one of the things that has baffled me since the beginning. If you look at the maps of the area, and assume the person didn't park or go anywhere else, they would have had to get her out of her clothes within a few minutes of picking her up.

There are a few possibilities here. It could have been more than one perp, or the perp made her strip while driving. But still, it doesn't seem likely that this was the case.

And they didn't likely stop anywhere else, because her scent ended at the driveway, and wasn't picked up anywhere else.

Another interesting thing is that the phone and bag were tossed in different locations. If the perp made her strip it would have likely been after the point where the phone was tossed (which is on a main road). It just doesn't seem likely that a perp would stop and risk being seen in order to get her to strip her clothes there. He could easily drive out to a more secluded area within a 5-10 minute drive and then have all the privacy he wanted.

Based on this, unless the bag was placed there at a later time (which is also unlikely) she was picked up from her house, after driving for a few minutes, her phone was thrown from the car. Then after driving for a few more minutes, her purse was thrown from the car (with the spare change of clothes inside).

Its not the only possibility, but its the most probable.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Sierra having her books with her does not rule out getting into a car with a friend who showed up unexpectedly, or someone else she knew. I am not totally convinced that she was not abducted by a person or group of people known to her from one school or the other, either fellow-students or recent students. But I admit I could be basing that possibility of the image of her life as presented by her on her various accounts...JMO

If this is in response to my previous post about the books, I was not trying to imply she was or was not abducted, just whether or not she inteded on attending school. No more, no less.

 

[liltexans]

I'm behind a few pages so I'm not sure if this has been posted already. If so, please ignore. Here's the link to the transcript of last night's JVM show on which Sierra's mom appeared.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/03/ijvm.01.html

 

[katydid23]

I think he would know. A lot of fathers are very observant what their daughters carry in their purse. A lot can be learned just by looking at the contents in a purse.

And even Marlene never mentioned Sierra carrying a bra and her panties in her purse. She said she occasionally exchanged clothes with some of her friends.

Well I did exchange clothes with my friends but I never exchanged bras and panties with them but I never put them in my purse.

IMO

BBM

I am not sure about that. My husband and my DD are very very close. He knows a lot about her and what she does every day and what is going on with her. But he has no clue what she carries in her purse. He probably couldn't even pick hers out of a batch of purses if he was asked to ID it.
JMO

As for the clothing, imo, she was planning a sleepover with a friend. Just because Mom did not know about it, does not mean that Sierra was n't hoping to have one. She may have planned to call Mom after school and say she wanted to go see her sister in Fremont for the night or something.

 

[kemo]

Apparently the Purse and the Cell phone were found on the shoulder of the road (Santa Teresa Blvd) about a mile apart. Does anyone know which side of the road and how far on to the shoulder they were both found? A passenger in the right front seat could throw an object quite a distance but a driver would not really be able to throw it, they could only drop it out of the right hand window. If the purse were on the left side of the road, the driver probably tossed it but it would be hard to throw an object all the way to the opposite shoulder, particularly if the driver were right handed.

 

[GrainneDhu]

BBM

I am not sure about that. My husband and my DD are very very close. He knows a lot about her and what she does every day and what is going on with her. But he has no clue what she carries in her purse. He probably couldn't even pick hers out of a batch of purses if he was asked to ID it.
JMO

As for the clothing, imo, she was planning a sleepover with a friend. Just because Mom did not know about it, does not mean that Sierra was n't hoping to have one. She may have planned to call Mom after school and say she wanted to go see her sister in Fremont for the night or something.

BBM

My parents would have had absolutely no idea what I had in my purse. Then again, my family is from different cultures where privacy is more expected than what seems normal (to me) in USAn families.

I think the bolded explanation is the most likely. I know when I was a teen, one of the ways I tried to sway my parents my way was to make it as much of a fait accompli as possible: "Mom, can I stay with Jody? Her mom already said it was okay. I don't have to get anything from home cause I have my clothes from PE!" Which was not *exactly* a lie because Jody's mom did say yes the last time we asked.

Then Jody would call her mom and say "Mom, can Grainne come home with me tonight? Her mom says it's okay!"

Or it could be the other way around. The point being that we were already set and ready to go, our moms didn't have to do anything (which made them more likely to say yes).

 

[GrainneDhu]

Apparently the Purse and the Cell phone were found on the shoulder of the road (Santa Teresa Blvd) about a mile apart. Does anyone know which side of the road and how far on to the shoulder they were both found? A passenger in the right front seat could throw an object quite a distance but a driver would not really be able to throw it, they could only drop it out of the right hand window. If the purse were on the left side of the road, the driver probably tossed it but it would be hard to throw an object all the way to the opposite shoulder, particularly if the driver were right handed.

It's easy if the driver rolls down their window and uses their left hand to wing the object up and over the roof of the car.

I see the newspaper delivery person do that every morning (I live on a rural road, so delivery is via car). The paper lands a good 30 feet or so from the road.

It's hard to explain but the mechanics of the arm make such a sideways throw over the head (and roof) more effective than a straight sideways throw.

 

[EGirl]

I know that LE says the clothes were folded. But "everyone" (her dad, van Zandt, etc) do not think there is an easy explanation for this. The main reason is the fact that the underclothes were included, which, unless this was due to a color difference between outfits, would seem to be out of character for her or any teen.

LE did not show the clothes to the press or public, or, presumably, the parents. But they STRESSED that they were "neatly folded". Either there is something unique about the manner in which they were folded, or they weren't folded at all and LE is IMO disseminating false information to lure someone out who will dispute this, even privately to people he/she thinks she can trust.

There was a movie a while ago where a teenager was killed and a few local kids knew she was lying dead in or near a stream and even went to look from time to time, but it took weeks for anyone to "tell". I believe the story was true, and very shocking. If it was a teenager, someone may know, but not have decided who/how/if they should tell.

Maybe like 'military' style folding?

 

[Janeumayer]

I thought her bus came at 7:40 or 7:45 and she normally left the house at 7:15? Off to go look through my notes.

Thanks for looking. I was going by an article. We know how they get info wrong. I'm behind reading, I'm sure you'll have the answer by the time I catch up. TIA

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Apparently the Purse and the Cell phone were found on the shoulder of the road (Santa Teresa Blvd) about a mile apart. Does anyone know which side of the road and how far on to the shoulder they were both found? A passenger in the right front seat could throw an object quite a distance but a driver would not really be able to throw it, they could only drop it out of the right hand window. If the purse were on the left side of the road, the driver probably tossed it but it would be hard to throw an object all the way to the opposite shoulder, particularly if the driver were right handed.

BBM: In case you missed my post about this earlier, I made early morning newspaper bundle deliveries to stores for 19 yrs, to get a bundle on the right side of the vehicle, out the drivers window and over the roof is the easiest and most efficient way, even with bad shoulders. Try it. You'll be amazed how much easier and simple it is.