Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #6 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[Dee226]

I truly believe that kidnappers/rapists and murderer are some of the highest risk takers there are. Maybe it is part of the sick game....to 'catch me if you can.' 'I can do this in broad daylight." etc

It only takes mere seconds for someone to be pulled into a car. All he would have to know is no one was around to see or hear anything.

IMO

For some of them the fun is in the chase. If that's the case then it would probably be someone local who was following the case.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Of course this is my opinion but I believe the reason why the urine question even came up was from the press conference given by LE was telling the public about the Juicy bag being found. When one of the officers was describing where the bag was exactly located he said something to effect that the bag was secreted... meaning what I believed to be hidden because it was in a weeded area not easily visible even though it was on the side of the road. Then the reporter asked was their urine bc the press and many others took the word secreted to mean secretion of a body fluid. LE then stated "no comment" to that question. It was a bad choice of wording and that word "secreted" was not used by LE again.

BBM: Thank you, what a great explanation, I had not even thought of that but when you bolded that word it was like a light bulb went on, As I used to tell my kids "Aren't you a clever little ducky" (Yes that's a compliment)
Now I'm thinking "DUH! Whyy didn't I see that?" :banghead:

 

[liz b.]

Suspect in Christina Marie Williams case appears to have been sentenced under three-strikes law, but perhaps one of the similarities in the cases may be "Christina Williams abductor" is/was a complete stranger and a human predator.

He appears to have been at it for a couple of decades (See timeline at link.):

Sept. 13, 1998: Holifield tries to kidnap 23-year-old Defense Language Institute student Melanie Padgett at gunpoint in Marina. She runs, identifies Holifield. He's convicted of that crime and failing to register as a sex offender and is sentenced to two consecutive 25-to-life sentences under the three strikes law.

http://www.montereyherald.com/exclusive/ci_19467851

Wow,Epiphany... An actual witness saw Christina that evening,looking frightened, in a vehicle with two guys who closely resembled the men in the sketch ?
Reading a comment following the story. A poster claimed that a few people contacted LE, saying that they recognized the men in that sketch, and knew where they lived... But, LE had Holifield as their POI, and never followed up...

 

[GrainneDhu]

Sorry don't have the link but read on Twitter the reports are the LE are searching vacant buildings in SAn Martin take it for what it is worth. It is on the findsierra link.

Also someone mention to me today that I don't think any of us thought of an I hope the LE checked into. If and this is a big IF now she did runaway very easy to hop a on a bus or train on the 16th before anyone knew she was missing. Downtown San Jose has both.

I thought most (all?) bus and train stations have security cams. If so, I hope LE has already checked them (and what a mindnumbing job THAT would be).

 

[Dee226]

If he were watching her for a while, he probably knew the neighbors' routines as well. Also, he wouldn't be worried if he had a 'reason' for being in the area. A phone company employee, utility worker, etc.

Also, if she saw a car she didn't recognize and just ran back in, that doesn't hurt anything. Driving in a neighborhood you aren't from isn't a crime.

It appears that he was able to pick her up and leave without being detected so probably familiar with the area and routines. It isn't a crime but on a street like that he may draw attention. We have 10 homes on our street and i know for a fact that at least 4 of the neighbors including myself are aware of who comes and goes. A car we didn't recognize had car trouble last week and we kept an eye on the man until he had a tow truck come.

 

[Ransom]

IMO: homework must be a code word for Sierra... I am sorry, but, after looking at her twitter and other accounts, I don't think she was "into" homework..

I have been wondering if she was dating a married man....

She talked about her homework (essay) on twitter. It was about a boy running home each day to check on his sister.

 

[Dee226]

I noticed that there are a lot of girls who have looks similar to Sierra. There are probably a lot of reports of her being spotted in different areas that LE has to check out.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Guys, I am not petite by no means and was in no way a girly girl when younger, as earlier mentioned I have survived two brutal attacks in my life. Neither had a weapon other than their complete violence and their fists. On the one hand I did not fight and was still beaten bloody, but I still believe my passive nature kept me alive. On the other I did fight and was messed up but got away. I know the fear she must have felt and the shock when it happens and just saying you don't know what you will do, weapon or no weapon a violent man can control you. and FYI one did end up with all my belongings, he dumped them in ditches in different locals, so good chance she could still be alive. I pray she is still alive.

I am so sorry you went through that.

If I recall correctly, Gavin de Becker writes about survival strategies in his book The Gift of Fear.

If I am remembering correctly (it may be from a different source but I think it was de Becker), sometimes passivity is the best strategy and will get the victim out alive where fighting back will just get the victim killed.

De Becker is quite insistent that no single strategy can be selected ahead of time as the best for every situation. Part of the "gift of fear" that he argues is to listen to one's instincts and take the action that seems best at the time, even if it goes against what is commonly taught.

I'm glad you survived.

 

[90Nine]

You know, if the bag and phone were not located (had he/they thrown them in a dumpster,etc.), it is likely people would think she is a runaway.

 

[epiphany]

There were 7 search teams, each with 15 deputies. They carefully made their way south 12 miles pulling over on side streets hoping to find more evidence that could answer questions about Sierra LaMar's disappearance.

http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/17347940/search-expanded-for-sierra-lamar

 

[koolidwino]

I never really post but I read the threads, having a 15 year old daughter this one just hits too close to home. My daughter carries a daydreamer Juicy bag its black and pink, a lot of the girls her age carry them and they are among the most popular. A few days ago I went through her purse just to see what was in there, and she has different bags containing make up, pens and pencils, perfume, body spray, lip gloss, sunglasses, a wallet with her ID and cards, a small ipod speaker and feminine items. Now that kids use smartphone apps their battery dies so they often take chargers. I cannot imagine this young ladies bag having nothing but a change of clothes and her books. If her bag was tossed with the clothing, I am curious as to where the normal contents of her purse are. I have also thought if she were to be made to fold her own clothes that they would be neat becaue it would buy her time? As for being restrained, she is tiny, it would be easy to over power her and if they had handcuffs, use them for the trip if it is in a car. As for the twitter, my daughter has a PG version, but you would be very shocked to see what children tweet, even really good kids, the kids belive this is a private chatting area and that parents are not cool enough to even know twitter exsist. A girl at my daughters school tweets about "weed" non stop and I know her parents and my daughter knows this child and she has never been around weed nor does she smoke it, many things kids write are song lyrics or done for shock value and literally mean nothing. Twitter will show you who a childs friends are, maybe a few pictures but nothing more as to an insight into a particular kids real life, we literally know a kid that wears gang colors on there and throws gang signs in pictures that is in no way affiliated, he only wishes that he was. I believe she was taken not far from her home from a stranger or someone she knew very little, maybe in passing. I think that her clothing that was found she had been wearing and that she didn't pack it, my daughter packs a sports bra but she runs track. Her personal items being missing from her purse give me some hope that she is being held. Does anyone believe that if the handcuff box is related that it was dropped after that area was initailly searched, could it have been dropped by a volunteer? Often these sickos enjoy being part of the rescue attempt, or case in general. Also, I belive that regarding her essay that is wasn't about the suicide or depression but about the brothers love, many girls this age are enamored by these stories, i do not know why, but it's all over their facebook likes and twitters. That's my two cents or 72 cents. I just hope so much they bring her home and wish all our children were protected from this type of horror.

 

[Ransom]

Of course this is my opinion but I believe the reason why the urine question even came up was from the press conference given by LE was telling the public about the Juicy bag being found. When one of the officers was describing where the bag was exactly located he said something to effect that the bag was secreted... meaning what I believed to be hidden because it was in a weeded area not easily visible even though it was on the side of the road. Then the reporter asked was their urine bc the press and many others took the word secreted to mean secretion of a body fluid. LE then stated "no comment" to that question. It was a bad choice of wording and that word "secreted" was not used by LE again.

Sgt. Cardoza did not say what I Bolded. He didn't say no coment and he didn't say "secreted" either.

He said "The specific details on the condition of the clothing - whether they were wet or had urine on them - we are holding that specific detail as confidential ....."

Full presser. Please ... everyone watch/listen for your own clarity.
http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/morgan-hill-santa-clara-sheriff-sgt-jose-cardoza/vGfDT/

 

[melley]

How unoccupied/desolate is it between SL house and where the phone was found, then up the road to where the purse was found? has anyone got that little walking map so I can see it? It kind of appears on the street map that he turned right out from her road, made the next right and that is where the true control/attack probably got ugly. I think whomever this was began the attack right away after pulling out of her block....IMHO

It's not unoccupied or desolate, its a street full of houses, families.

edited to add... The two blocks from where the phone was found to where the purse was found is less occupied, but not desolate.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I really like the way Sierra looked. To me she looked her age. I didnt think she tried to make herself look older and found that refreshing. None of the photos I have seen shows she tried to be seductive.

From what I have read Sierra didnt have a boyfriend.

imo

She looked pretty innocent to me. Several of her self-photos have a certain goofiness to them that I find endearing. She's sticking her tongue out, making funny grimaces, etc.

I don't know about Sierra in particular but I do know that a lot of teen girls do the whole makeup/fashion thing as a way to impress their (platonic) girlfriends and not as a seduction technique at all.

The song lyric she posted about wanting to be found by love (paraphrase) suggests to me she wasn't in a relationship.

 

[katydid23]

I never really post but I read the threads, having a 15 year old daughter this one just hits too close to home. My daughter carries a daydreamer Juicy bag its black and pink, a lot of the girls her age carry them and they are among the most popular. A few days ago I went through her purse just to see what was in there, and she has different bags containing make up, pens and pencils, perfume, body spray, lip gloss, sunglasses, a wallet with her ID and cards, a small ipod speaker and feminine items. Now that kids use smartphone apps their battery dies so they often take chargers. I cannot imagine this young ladies bag having nothing but a change of clothes and her books. If her bag was tossed with the clothing, I am curious as to where the normal contents of her purse are. I have also thought if she were to be made to fold her own clothes that they would be neat becaue it would buy her time? As for being restrained, she is tiny, it would be easy to over power her and if they had handcuffs, use them for the trip if it is in a car. As for the twitter, my daughter has a PG version, but you would be very shocked to see what children tweet, even really good kids, the kids belive this is a private chatting area and that parents are not cool enough to even know twitter exsist. A girl at my daughters school tweets about "weed" non stop and I know her parents and my daughter knows this child and she has never been around weed nor does she smoke it, many things kids write are song lyrics or done for shock value and literally mean nothing. Twitter will show you who a childs friends are, maybe a few pictures but nothing more as to an insight into a particular kids real life, we literally know a kid that wears gang colors on there and throws gang signs in pictures that is in no way affiliated, he only wishes that he was. I believe she was taken not far from her home from a stranger or someone she knew very little, maybe in passing. I think that her clothing that was found she had been wearing and that she didn't pack it, my daughter packs a sports bra but she runs track. Her personal items being missing from her purse give me some hope that she is being held. Does anyone believe that if the handcuff box is related that it was dropped after that area was initailly searched, could it have been dropped by a volunteer? Often these sickos enjoy being part of the rescue attempt, or case in general. Also, I belive that regarding her essay that is wasn't about the suicide or depression but about the brothers love, many girls this age are enamored by these stories, i do not know why, but it's all over their facebook likes and twitters. That's my two cents or 72 cents. I just hope so much they bring her home and wish all our children were protected from this type of horror.

Great Post, and :welcome::fireworks:


I agree about how some kids post things to look cool. And they don't realize that it is going to follow them everywhere.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I am right there with you. I am horrified how some teens talk nowadays and put it all out on the internet for everyone to read.

Thank goodness all of our grandchildren that have a FB accounts have me as their friend and I would faint if I ever saw any of them say such vulgar things and talk about drugs and alcohol.

But I do feel teens are under a lot more stress now and may just talk the talk trying to fit in with their peer group. It is sad that it has come to that but I do believe a lot of them are just trying to act like they are worldly and thinks its the only way to be 'cool'.

IMO

oceanblueeyes, I'm not saying that your grandchildren would do this but it is very, very easy to set up more than one FB page. One for show, the other for... well, show too but to a different crowd!

The girly-girl I keep in my attic tells me that one way to find out for sure is to follow the friends from the known FB page and check all of their friends' pages.

Not, she assures me, that SHE would do anything like that. I tell her just so long as she doesn't go looking for mine, I won't go looking for hers. LOL

 

[Wendy101]

She talked about her homework (essay) on twitter. It was about a boy running home each day to check on his sister.

Yes, I saw that...
I also think it's interesting that that is the only homework she talked about... she seemed obsessed with this assignment for some reason as she was talking to her dad and Danielle about it the night before she went missing... Then she wanted to meet up with someone early in regards to homework... I'd sure love to see that completed assignment...all of it...

Anyway.. I didn't know she wrote that story about the boy running home to check on his sister.. I thought she re-tweeted that...

 

[Ransom]

Great Post, and :welcome::fireworks:


I agree about how some kids post things to look cool. And they don't realize that it is going to follow them everywhere.

Especially if they go missing. Sierra's every thought has been scrutinized. Her twitter/FB/Tumbler has been analyzed and "commented" on. Her mom, dad and her mom's b/f have been under the gun. It's so unfortunate and .

I DO have to hand it to the Santa Clara LE/FBI/KK for the handling of this case as well as they have and all the media attention. They've done well keeping the public informed, performing boots on the ground searches, SAR, etc. I don't think any of us can say they didn't try their best. JMO though.

 

[Ransom]

Yes, I saw that...
I also think it's interesting that that is the only homework she talked about... she seemed obsessed with this assignment for some reason as she was talking to her dad and Danielle about it the night before she went missing... Then she wanted to meet up with someone early in regards to homework... I'd sure love to see that completed assignment...all of it...

Anyway.. I didn't know she wrote that story about the boy running home to check on his sister.. I thought she re-tweeted that...

Nope: http://twitter.com/#!/cccairuh/status/180501995105419264/photo/1

 

[Portabella]

In thinking about the clothing they found in the bag "neatly folded". They most likely have a good idea if they were the ones she was wearing or not. I am sure even if unable to see with the naked eye, after testing you can tell if the panties were worn, even if just for an hour. Being human we have trace amounts of vaginal fluid and "urine" that will get on the crotch. I am not a forensic person, but to me this is just common sense. You would think that by the time of the presser where they were asked about the "urine" they would know this already. If SL did pack those clothes by herself and put them in the Juicy bag, she may take pants that had been worn prior, or even a sweatshirt she had worn prior, but very very few would put in a pair of undies that were worn prior, so if they were not worn at all this should be known by LE by now....IMHO ... Is there anyone else on here who knows more about forensics/lab work? Just curious if I am correct in my assumptions. Also that could be why the reporter asked that, who knows.