Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #7 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[90Nine]

Hi Sarx,

Question for you - so this occured on a Friday. How is it that the dogs could not trace her beyond the driveway if she supposedly walked to the bus stop everyday? wouldn't they pick up the scent from the other days?

I appreciate the insight.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

To make it look like an abduction!

The police on the scene believe it may have been thrownout from a moving vehicle and they say Sierra has been kidnapped so that doesnt sound to me like they believe it was made to look like anything other than what it is. Someone trying to get rid of evidence by pitching it out.

If they wanted to make it look like an abduction then why not do it much closer to the bus stop or her home instead of two miles down the road? Why not leave her books sprawled in the driveway.

imo

 

[SmoothOperator]

Or that person is trying to make it look like an abduction!

IMO they hid her well enuff why did they leave her phone and this bag out where they knew it would be found?
---- diversion?

Either Sierra put that bag there herself or the person that hurt her wanted it found

Above BBM.. BINGO!! !!

 

[90Nine]

And what possible motivation would the bloke want it all to be found/ The bag looking like a plant is starting to hold weight...

I guess my questions is why would they even have to hide the purse like that if they planned on murdering her. They could just dump the purse with the body, unless they buried her. I hope to God that is not the case, but just thinking out loud. I can see disposing of the phone.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess my questions is why would they even have to hide the purse like that if they planned on murdering her. They could just dump the purse with the body, unless they buried her. I hope to God that is not the case, but just thinking out loud. I can see disposing of the phone.

It is hard to get into the mind of someone who does this. While some will dispose of everything with the body..others will toss things out in different areas.

IMO

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Linking again for the guest and members who may have missed the link.

Sierra LaMar case archive holds news articles, vids, pics, from first day to present.
Here:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sierra%20LaMar%20%20-CA-/

 

[concentric]

I guess my questions is why would they even have to hide the purse like that if they planned on murdering her. They could just dump the purse with the body, unless they buried her. I hope to God that is not the case, but just thinking out loud. I can see disposing of the phone.

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My bold above. Some of us offered ideas as to why. One of the alternatives was that the abductor used it as a promise to her, saying we'll get it later for you, if you comply. For all we know, the abductor could have told her that the phone was placed back into the bag.

So, many possibilities given the vast number of variables we have.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Above BBM.. BINGO!! !!

So you think this person has completely bambozzled the FBI and local LE who has worked this case for 26 days?

I dont think so.

I think they know way more than we do.

IMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

The police on the scene believe it may have been thrownout from a moving vehicle and they say Sierra has been kidnapped so that doesnt sound to me like they believe it was made to look like anything other than what it is. Someone trying to get rid of evidence by pitching it out.

If they wanted to make it look like an abduction then why not do it much closer to the bus stop or her home instead of two miles down the road? Why not leave her books sprawled in the driveway.

imo

There is a very precise reason.
Moo but its common sense that the perp is going to want time and distance to beable to be between themselves and the bag(which equals discovering Sierra's missing) ..so while IMO it was imperative that this bag with clothes and books was to be found in order to help point to an abduction on the way to school or possible runaway.. BUT THEY COULD NOT HAVE IT DISCOVERED BEFORE BEING ABLE TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THE CRIME.. with the phone no problem as its the size of ones hand thrown off the side of the road into brush and weeds easily concealed for the time being.. the bag not so easy.. as if its tossed off to the side of the road its very much large enough and colorful enough to be much more easily spotted..

So what's the smart thing to do? ..to place it somewhere where its hidden plenty enough to know it won't be immediately found.. but yet in a very very close radius to the home as well as even closer radius to the phone and knowing that upon searching it'd be found..

If he/she put the bag in "plain sight", as y ou state above, it would have been counterproductive to ensuring the perp had plenty of time to put the necessary time and distance between himself and the crime.. as well as to likely build an alibi.. the plain sight dump was not an option.. there was a very deliberate reason that the bag and books were placed on the side of that building.

 

[Foxymona]

I guess my questions is why would they even have to hide the purse like that if they planned on murdering her. They could just dump the purse with the body, unless they buried her. I hope to God that is not the case, but just thinking out loud. I can see disposing of the phone.

Maybe they didn't intend on killing her? Or at least at the start? (speculation only and God hopefully that isn't the case).

Or maybe they want to deflect attention by either making it appear she ran away or indicate the direction the kidnapper apparently went? Without more information it is so hard to have one clear train of thought...

 

[SmoothOperator]

So you think this person has completely bambozzled the FBI and local LE who has worked this case for 26 days?

I dont think so.

I think they know way more than we do.

IMO

Absolutely NOT! NOT SURE WHERE YOU GOT THAT I BELIEVE THE PERP HAS BAMBZZLED LE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AT ALL. .THEY KNOW A HELLUVA ALOT MORE AND WILL SOLVE THIS CASE..

 

[Wendy101]

And what possible motivation would the bloke want it all to be found/ The bag looking like a plant is starting to hold weight...

IMO: to make LE believe an abduction to place.... Perp wants LE to think Seirra was raped ( reason why the cloths in the bag are believed to be the ones she was wearing that day). Perp wants LE to think Sierra was abducted , raped and killed... Perp wants LE to think a big, bad pedophile, crazed man took her.... . This is all my opinion..

Two things on my mind..
1. The socks.... None in the bag... And coincidently that mom chose a sock to smell .. A dirty one she says so she can smell Sierra.... Why not just wear Sierra shirt... But.. A sock?? Why? Where ARE the socks Sierra was wearing that morning?? Which leads me to number two.

2. Where are her shoes? IMO.. There were no shoes because Sierra didn't have time to put any on!!!!

 

[concentric]

There is a very precise reason.
Moo but its common sense that the perp is going to want time and distance to beable to be between themselves and the bag(which equals discovering Sierra's missing) ..so while IMO it was imperative that this bag with clothes and books was to be found in order to help point to an abduction on the way to school or possible runaway.. BUT THEY COULD NOT HAVE IT DISCOVERED BEFORE BEING ABLE TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THE CRIME.. with the phone no problem as its the size of ones hand thrown off the side of the road into brush and weeds easily concealed for the time being.. the bag not so easy.. as if its tossed off to the side of the road its very much large enough and colorful enough to be much more easily spotted..

So what's the smart thing to do? ..to place it somewhere where its hidden plenty enough to know it won't be immediately found.. but yet in a very very close radius to the home as well as even closer radius to the phone and knowing that upon searching it'd be found..

If he/she put the bag in "plain sight", as y ou state above, it would have been counterproductive to ensuring the perp had plenty of time to put the necessary time and distance between himself and the crime.. as well as to likely build an alibi.. the plain sight dump was not an option.. there was a very deliberate reason that the bag and books were placed on the side of that building.

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You've said it before and to my way of thinking, that is a downright in every way logical explanation. So, I say YES.

 

[90Nine]

So you think this person has completely bambozzled the FBI and local LE who has worked this case for 26 days?

I dont think so.

I think they know way more than we do.

IMO

Ocean - I absolutely agree ith you.

Did anything ever come of the Dodge car someone mentioned? Or the dark haired guy who walked by the bus stop everyday?

 

[~n/t~]

Sheriff doesn't seem to know whether she was abducted outside or from inside the home. If that's the case, this is one heck of an organized perp. Perp locks the door or has her lock it. He/she folds Sierra's clothes neatly in her bag. Places it nicely in an area between some cactus and a building.

Have they searched inside the home? I realize there were no signs of a break in but what about signs of a struggle? Something out of place? Or was that also nicely covered up by the perp? :what:

 

[WideOpen]

Smooth,
I can follow your ideas and they make sense to me.

Couldnt placing the bag in this location also just have been in a panic last minute. Lets say...They are local to this neighborhood and wouldnt be suspicious being seen there in the area. They had already found a spot to dispose of Sierra and were headed home, may have even went home and found the bag under the front seat or out of previous view and had to quickly go back out and dump it before they were expected home or were found late getting home?
It does seem like it could be a last minute attempt to stage the abduction.
JMO
JMO

 

[90Nine]

Sheriff doesn't seem to know whether she was abducted outside or from inside the home. If that's the case, this is one heck of an organized perp. Perp locks the door or has her lock it. He/she folds Sierra's clothes neatly in her bag. Places it nicely in an area between some cactus and a building.

Have they searched inside the home? I realize there were no signs of a break in but what about signs of a struggle? Something out of place? Or was that also nicely covered up by the perp? :what:

Very interesting indeed.

If she was using the garage (with the garage code) to enter and exit the home and the perp knew her or was stalking her, they could have been hiding until she opened the garage door to leave and took her in the house.

Just a thought...

If she did not know this person, I wonder if they started stalking her from seeing her in the morning or afternoon initially. That would say a lot.

 

[Wendy101]

The police on the scene believe it may have been thrownout from a moving vehicle and they say Sierra has been kidnapped so that doesnt sound to me like they believe it was made to look like anything other than what it is. Someone trying to get rid of evidence by pitching it out.

If they wanted to make it look like an abduction then why not do it much closer to the bus stop or her home instead of two miles down the road? Why not leave her books sprawled in the driveway.

imo

IMO.. The perp needed time to..

 

[JDB]

Sheriff doesn't seem to know whether she was abducted outside or from inside the home. If that's the case, this is one heck of an organized perp. Perp locks the door or has her lock it. He/she folds Sierra's clothes neatly in her bag. Places it nicely in an area between some cactus and a building.

Have they searched inside the home? I realize there were no signs of a break in but what about signs of a struggle? Something out of place? Or was that also nicely covered up by the perp? :what:

IMHO I really think she was taken outside . I also believe argue as much as you want the clothes in the bag are not the ones she left the house in. I also think she knew the person who took her either she went willing which would explain no sign of struggle at the end of the driveway.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry to quote myself but here is the theory that might make the below make more sense to some.. if they happened to miss this discussion last night.. click on link below:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - SPOTLIGHT CASE CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 - #7

There is a very precise reason.
Moo but its common sense that the perp is going to want time and distance to beable to be between themselves and the bag(which equals discovering Sierra's missing) ..so while IMO it was imperative that this bag with clothes and books was to be found in order to help point to an abduction on the way to school or possible runaway.. BUT THEY COULD NOT HAVE IT DISCOVERED BEFORE BEING ABLE TO PUT TIME AND DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THE CRIME.. with the phone no problem as its the size of ones hand thrown off the side of the road into brush and weeds easily concealed for the time being.. the bag not so easy.. as if its tossed off to the side of the road its very much large enough and colorful enough to be much more easily spotted..

So what's the smart thing to do? ..to place it somewhere where its hidden plenty enough to know it won't be immediately found.. but yet in a very very close radius to the home as well as even closer radius to the phone and knowing that upon searching it'd be found..

If he/she put the bag in "plain sight", as y ou state above, it would have been counterproductive to ensuring the perp had plenty of time to put the necessary time and distance between himself and the crime.. as well as to likely build an alibi.. the plain sight dump was not an option.. there was a very deliberate reason that the bag and books were placed on the side of that building.