Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #8 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[NJGuy]

NJGuy, its proximity, it's water, just playing the statistics.

Gotcha, same thoughts here. Now I live across the country in a state where open space and land is hard to come by, which is what leads me to think Sierra is somewhere near these waters and open lands. There seems to be quite a bit of trails and off beaten paths with thick underbrush to hide something. I can't quite get past the idea that she didn't make out of her neighborhood, but rather into the wooded areas or waters. Plus it coincides with how I think the purse was ditched and the directions travelled.

Also, OT, but I had no idea cacti grow that big. Not a whole lot of cactus here in the garden state

 

[sherbetjello]

After looking at the maps last night, and the placement of where the phone and purse were, and local rumors, Uvas needs that search.

Sarx, how long do those searches usually take?
And does anyone know if they used sonar out there as well? Or are taking it?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Yes, but it's actually not very large. Video is a bit deceiving from that zoomed in angle. See attached!

See the smaller cactus bushes hidden within the weeds? Would have been between the wall and one of those setting up straight on that flat ground next to the building wall.

In the picture on the right it looks like there is a worn foot path there. I wonder if this is a path made to get to the pipes by workers. Is the field planted and maintained that is next to the building? I am just curious if anyone else would have a reason to be around that building recently.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just another pond that's bugging me...


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Is the pond you are referring to the red looking object in the photo?:waitasec:

 

[mck16]

In the picture on the right it looks like there is a worn foot path there. I wonder if this is a path made to get to the pipes by workers. Is the field planted and maintained that is next to the building? I am just curious if anyone else would have a reason to be around that building recently.

How far off the road is this building and cactus?

 

[sarx]

After looking at the maps last night, and the placement of where the phone and purse were, and local rumors, Uvas needs that search.

Sarx, how long do those searches usually take?
And does anyone know if they used sonar out there as well? Or are taking it?

They did use Sonar out on Uvas as well, that's why they're going back to it, after reviewing the 1000 plus images.
It all depends on how many things they found in the Sonar that they want to check. I kinda just rough estimate it at about an hour per "irregularity". It's not a fast process by any stretch.

 

[sarx]

Is the pond you are referring to the red looking object in the photo?:waitasec:

Yes it is.

 

[gaetanosleuth408]

After looking at the maps last night, and the placement of where the phone and purse were, and local rumors, Uvas needs that search.

Sarx, how long do those searches usually take?
And does anyone know if they used sonar out there as well? Or are taking it?

Sherbetjello,

The SAR dive search at Chesbro took a few hours yesterday afternoon. I watched them eliminate 3 "areas of concern" from the shore. They already have the sonar images reviewed so thats why they are diving to make sure the "items of concern" they found on the sonar images aren't actually human remains. Not sure if they eliminated all five areas of concern at Chesbro. I believe they did as I saw the diver come up at their last spot yesterday and they said "No? OK, LETS GO!" and they sped to the shore to pack up.

They also already have reviewed the sonar images of Uvas and spotted a few areas of concern and they will be there today diving to check out any items of concern that showed up on the sonar images of that specific body of water. I'll be swinging by Uvas this afternoon to have a look.

They used a type of sonar called side scan sonar. Basically they tow a torpedoe-like device under the boat and it takes side scan sonar images underwater. The images are semi blurred and a bit hard to decipher so they need to dive and get a better look if the item looks concerning.

 

[nursebeeme]

man, I really wish Sierra would be found or there would be some movement in her case :-( I thought about her all thru my yoga class today (shhh don't tell my yoga teacher that my mind was wandering )

I really wish LE would come back and do another statement... maybe one like they did in the Holly Bobo case re: they asked anyone to come forward if they noticed anyone miss work, act strange, etc that day. Maybe it would generate some more leads and tips?

 

[gaetanosleuth408]

It took them about 40 minutes to eliminate each item of concern while I was watching. One of the areas they dived in was quicker though, about 15 minutes.

 

[gaetanosleuth408]

How far off the road is this building and cactus?

It's a good 15 feet.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Here is a photo from the street. http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/... -CA-/?action=view&current=pursefoundhere.jpg

 

[GrainneDhu]

All that is true. But if NG's producers (or NG herself) was holding up a bag, or picture of a small bag, Nancy should have realized it was not big enough to contain an entire set of clothes... shirt, pants, and underwear. And if she was asking Marlene to identify the bag as being like the bag Sierra carried, then Marlene had to SEE this bag to confirm that. So I would expect them to have a monitor visible so that the person being interviewed could see what was on the screen.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

But from the transcript, it's not at all clear to me that is what happened. It sounded to me like Marlene was confirming that yes, Sierra had a black and pink Juicy Couture bag but not necessarily the one on screen.

I should also add that sometimes the person interviewing the subject is *not* the talent (the star journalist on the show; for instance, on Nancy Grace, NG is the talent). An assistant stands in for the talent with the list of interview questions and basically does the interview with the subject.

Then afterwards, the TV editors splice in shots of the talent asking the questions with the original interview. So it looks like the talent did the interview but it was really an assistant.

I did a couple interviews like that and it was incredibly disorienting. Two people can say the same question and it can sound like it means two slightly (or drastically) different things, depending on which words they emphasise, etc. So I'd respond to the actual interviewer and then later, on TV, I came off sounding like I had communication problems because my answers didn't quite match up with the way the talent asked the questions.

I'm not saying that this is how Nancy Grace does her show but it's a possibility. And if so, it could account for some of the weirdness that some of her interview subjects (not just Marlene LaMar) project.

 

[gaetanosleuth408]

In the picture on the right it looks like there is a worn foot path there. I wonder if this is a path made to get to the pipes by workers. Is the field planted and maintained that is next to the building? I am just curious if anyone else would have a reason to be around that building recently.

Nothing is planted, the pond is a mucky muck, and the building is maintained by siamese cats (urine?). That path is what caught my eye as well and where I suspect the purse/books were set down.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

But from the transcript, it's not at all clear to me that is what happened. It sounded to me like Marlene was confirming that yes, Sierra had a black and pink Juicy Couture bag but not necessarily the one on screen.

I should also add that sometimes the person interviewing the subject is *not* the talent (the star journalist on the show; for instance, on Nancy Grace, NG is the talent). An assistant stands in for the talent with the list of interview questions and basically does the interview with the subject.

Then afterwards, the TV editors splice in shots of the talent asking the questions with the original interview. So it looks like the talent did the interview but it was really an assistant.

I did a couple interviews like that and it was incredibly disorienting. Two people can say the same question and it can sound like it means two slightly (or drastically) different things, depending on which words they emphasise, etc. So I'd respond to the actual interviewer and then later, on TV, I came off sounding like I had communication problems because my answers didn't quite match up with the way the talent asked the questions.

I'm not saying that this is how Nancy Grace does her show but it's a possibility. And if so, it could account for some of the weirdness that some of her interview subjects (not just Marlene LaMar) project.

Thanks, GD!
This info. is enlightening!
It will make me look at TV interviews differently form now on as I add this info. into my analysis!

 

[Tuba]

Rather than the location of the J.C. bag being step X in a plan outlined well in advance, I think the perpetrator thought, "Good enough." In terms of the model brought us by Sherbetjello, he or she was somewhat organized, not the epitome of Organized.

 

[Wendy101]

Nothing is planted, the pond is a mucky muck, and the building is maintained by siamese cats (urine?). That path is what caught my eye as well and where I suspect the purse/books were set down.

Have they checked over that mucky pond with the cadaver dogs??
Would cadaver ER pick up through the muck?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Nothing is planted, the pond is a mucky muck, and the building is maintained by siamese cats (urine?). That path is what caught my eye as well and where I suspect the purse/books were set down.

So possibly a path made by the cats. It is well worn.

 

[OldSteve]

If its a feral cat colony there, any signs that people are feeding them? Sierra like cats?

 

[nursebeeme]

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