Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #8 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[nutkin]

I'm curious about the Droan planes used in the Devon Davis case to find him. Do you think this would be a search option for this case?

Only if there were an area they were certain that she was in as in the case of the 2 y/o who wandered off. It wouldn't be helpful in the case of a 15 y/o who could be miles and miles away.

 

[SmoothOperator]

The only problem with this is then there would be fingerprints in the house other than the family. If she was going a friends after school she could have used their charger I have done that in the past.

exactly fingerprints that have an excuse for being there well.. that wouldn't exactly help further the investigation.. same with prints on cell, bag, etc...

 

[OldSteve]

Well Steve, it seems there is the mention of grey shoes, no further description, on Namus where they tell the officers who worked the call, the time, descriptions etc. But, that's all it says...grey shoes.

Then I saw somewhere that a Sheriff's Phone Alert system gave a description of her and ONLY mentioned she was wearing grey shoes, no mention of clothing, which I find positively astounding.

This must have happened on the first or second day maybe?

Thanks houndstooth! Back some thread there was some talk about her wearing red shoes and if that had any gang significance, or that it might have attracted attention...

 

[cluciano63]

I can't imagine that fingerprints in the house would be of much use, unless on a specific item, perhaps, since they had not lived there all that long and probably had movers, workers, etc...in there in the past months. Most houses would probably have plenty of unidentified prints, JMO. If they found any clear ones on a door or something like that, they would probably run them through AFIs, but if not identified that way, I don't think they would tell LE much.

 

[houndstooth]

Android phones really do drain the battery. My hubs had the Samsung Galaxy X and it would drain in a matter of hours. We never tested if it was the OS or all the apps that were on the phone that did it, but it did and well.

Just a random note, I constantly forget to charge my phone and I am a grown woman. I carry my charger everywhere because of it.

I totally get that.
What I am fuzzy on is WHERE at school she just plugs in a phone and leaves it to be charged?
Or any kid for that matter.

Wouldn't they be in danger of being stolen?
It seems like a headache that really isn't the school's problem or expense.

 

[cluciano63]

Thanks houndstooth! Back some thread there was some talk about her wearing red shoes and if that had any gang significance, or that it might have attracted attention...

Others have said that her red shoes were used as scent items...so apparently she did not have them on that day, if true.

 

[imkeylime]

There was a post at one point saying that the kids to bring their chargers to school - that is normal. But seems like the school would have a policy against it. I hope so.

I've always thought this was weird, as well. But my daughter's high school now allows cell phone use during lunch periods (which I seriously don't get). And I'm thinking that enterprising kids could figure out a way/place to charge them. Since not all chargers work on all phones, bringing your own would be the safe way to go. Still, I agree that it's odd.

There's been little talk about Sierra going to friends' houses after school, though I'd think she would have ... though maybe not too much since she was still kind of new. ???

 

[houndstooth]

Thanks houndstooth! Back some thread there was some talk about her wearing red shoes and if that had any gang significance, or that it might have attracted attention...

I was thinking of the gang angle, too.
Which is why I was curious that we have no BOLO info
on those shoes.
Where I live, a random pair of sneakers, if found are subject to
having the laces tied and shoes thrown over a powerline.
That is were and how territory is marked.

We know all about every thing she had. Go on and on about the
Sharks shirt, and no description whatsoever about the shoes.

It is notable by it's absence.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I guess I am confused about the confusion re: the shirt
If we knew that the shirt in the photo was found in the bag, for instance, what if anything would that clear up? Not much, to me. She either wore it to school, or she packed it, we still would not know.

I guess all I am wondering is if LE is looking for the shirt, and if so, why they don't say so. The FBI site gives a description but does not say if it has been located.

I emailed a reporter for the local NBC today and he replied, so maybe I will ask him about the shirt too, if I can figure out what the question is...in the meantime, he said he would ask LE to clarify on whether or not any evidence was back as far as the clothing, due to the two different answers from Cardoza and the sheriff about forensics.

Thanks, Clu, for taking that extra step in sleuthing!
I am looking forward to reading the outcome!
:yourock:

 

[90Nine]

I hope in their investigation (I hope so) they've asked her friends if they loaned clothing to Sierra or have been loaned clothing by Sierra since her mom said they exchange clothing quite often.

I also am curious to know if Sierra's mom knows her clothing well enough to know if any are missing.

 

[cluciano63]

I was thinking of the gang angle, too.
Which is why I was curious that we have no BOLO info
on those shoes.
Where I live, a random pair of sneakers, if found are subject to
having the laces tied and tshoes thrown over a powerline.
That is were and how territory is marked.

We know all about every thing she had. Go on and on about the
Sharks shirt, and no description whatsoever about the shoes.

It is notable by it's absence.

Actually the sweatshirt is the only clothing item mentioned on the FBI site, no pants, no shoes, nothing else.

 

[obody]

I found that to be a strange notion.
That she would need to carry a charger to school.
It's not as if they'd let her plug it in.
Don't most people charge overnight?

I wonder if the mom's expression of her thought is not complete. Not that she expected Sierra to have her charger for school, but that she expected her to have it if she was going somewhere after school?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I'm curious about the Droan planes used in the Devon Davis case to find him. Do you think this would be a search option for this case?

I was totally thinking of this just about an hour ago.
DH was watching a military program that was sharing the new technologies of our military, and it is amazing what they have to find submarines all over the world!
Wouldn't it be great to have this kind of technology at our disposal to find missing persons!

 

[Tuba]

Some particulars don't bother me, cluciano, but if Sierra was wearing the Sharks tee and it was found the following Sunday in the discarded bag with a pair of pants, it would seem she was stripped of her clothing during this crime and that is important. Now if there is a long sleeve tee plus a heavy jersey or sweatshirt, there are other possibilities such as your suggestion that she packed one.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

From the video:
"For the second day, the FBI entered the backyard (of Sierra) with heavy equipment."
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...rra-LaMar-Intensifies-Saturday-144108536.html

Does anyone wonder if this was related to the cadaver dogs' visit to Sierra's house? Why would the FBI be in their backyard for TWO days with heavy equipment?

No, they are just making sure that Sierra isnt there. Rick and Marlene have quite a big lot. The perp could have killed her I suppose and then hid her somewhere on the property. Since LE has said that Marlene and Rick have given them permission to search as much as they wanted to I dont imagine they minded anything LE/FBI has done when trying to find Sierra.

It makes me know that the FBI is being thorough before they move on to other areas.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if the mom's expression of her thought is not complete. Not that she expected Sierra to have her charger for school, but that she expected her to have it if she was going somewhere after school?

My granchildren always take their charger with them when they leave the house.

 

[90Nine]

exactly fingerprints that have an excuse for being there well.. that wouldn't exactly help further the investigation.. same with prints on cell, bag, etc...

Yes - if this is someone she knows or has been in the home for whatever reason, even one of these folks did this, they could easily be eliminated, but hopefully further investigated.

 

[WideOpen]

IDK maybe the perp didnt go back into the house and pack the juicy bag. The clothing could be those that Sierra wore that day. The perp could have packed them after he disposed of her body and returned to the area to stage the juicy bag. We have debated here regarding the clothing and whether or not she would have packed a change of clothing. She did not plan on spending the night away or she would have taken her charger was my point.

Several opinions by retired FBI experts on profiling on the person who committed this crime are coming to light in the press. From their experience they say this perp may repeat his crimes. LE and FBI know things about the evidence that we are only speculating on. Did he carefully and caringly fold her clothing neatly and place them in the juicy bag leaving it where it was found?
This case has given me the shiver of terror from the beginning.

http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/...cle_b825bf1a-360c-58f9-81b7-009f99bc4961.html

 

[houndstooth]

I wonder if the mom's expression of her thought is not complete. Not that she expected Sierra to have her charger for school, but that she expected her to have it if she was going somewhere after school?

Well, why did she drive to the school hours after the bell would have rung
to see if she missed the bus coming home?
Why did she text to see if she got home OK at 3:45 if she thought she was supposed to be spending the night away?

I don't think she could have ever thought the clothes were for spending the night away.
What she implies are the clothes are possibly "borrowed" from a friend or being lent to a friend.

There are too many conflicting scenarios that revolve around the bag.
I call it gilding the lily when I see this type thing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I can't picture it myself.
A whole line of phone chargers plugged in at school.
If they are charged overnight, and they can't really use them
during school hours anyway, I don't understand the need to
take them with you to school.

Maybe it's just me.

I dunno but a lot of the older teens I know go out to someone's car during lunch and charges their phones. Phones to kids nowaday are a life line and I think they are so afraid the battery is going to die and they will miss a text or voice message.

I dont know why they dont just charge it up at night though.

IMO