CA CA - Stacy Arras, 14, Yosemite National Park, 17 July 1981

[Crizz71]

And no scavenger birds in Yosemite that would grab the attention of the searchers also?

Let's agree to disagree then.

No, it's not. Saying that he would NOT have to fight her means exactly that - in case of abduction there MAY be or may NOT be a need to physically fight the victim so it's not that limited.
If anything then saying that he would have to fight her is more of a speculation cause it already rules out a possibilities that she was threatened with a gun or lured for joined hike towards the lake by someone who did not appear threatening - while there is no reason to rule out anything.

As we are considering abduction then why not all scenarios that we know abduction happen but just one that starts with physical confrontation?
Same level as oh, this person wasnt murdered cause there were no gunshot wounds on their body and nevermind that murder could also mean stabbing, strangling, hitting and so on.

And I was wondering about:
a) night,
b) using the crowd of day to pass without grabbing anybodys attention.

In what area?

I looked at the facts and stated multiple times in this very thread that accidental death appears to be the most likely scenario with her meeting foul play still worth considering.

Statistically girls are the most often attacked and abducted. Not much of a reason to consider abduction if someone went missing at even more unspecific area of the park, at more or less unspecific moment and search wasn't as fast or as thorough. Here it's weirder.

Beaubeaubeau,

• Scavenger birds: If she fell deep into Tenaya Canyon and got wedged in a crack or under brush, the birds wouldn’t be visible from above.
• “Let’s agree to disagree”: No. You’ve admitted you’ve never been to Yosemite or hiked this terrain. I have. Your arguments are based on speculation. Mine are based on experience.
• Deception or gun + Trailhead/crowd: Your whole argument is pure “what if” speculation. You’re inventing scenarios. That’s not how this works.
• “In what area?”: The very remote high country wilderness at 9,000 feet, miles from any road. Why would any predator hike all the way up there with a backpack full of water and trail mix, sweating his arse off, to sit in the dark? No women are walking around at night. The few hikers up there are already in their tents, sleeping. He’d have a better chance of finding a mountain lion or raccoon than a woman. The whole idea is ridiculous.
• “I’ve said accident is most likely”: No, you haven’t. You’ve spent this entire conversation with me pushing abduction and foul play.
• Statistically, girls are more often abducted: True in cities. Irrelevant in remote wilderness.
• “Here it’s weirder”: No, it isn’t. Past Sunrise Lake 2, every trail split leads toward Tenaya Canyon. She had no light, and it was dark. She took the wrong fork and walked into terrain she couldn’t see and fell. That’s not mysterious — that’s geography. (See the attached map)

You keep nitpicking every single point while offering nothing but “what if” speculation. I’m talking about the actual terrain and real hiking experience — I’ve walked that area. You haven’t.

I deal with facts. You deal with hypotheticals. There’s no point continuing this conversation.

I'll leave it there.

 

[Crizz71]

I hope she'll be found one day... does seem most probable that she got turned around and accidentally fell somewhere It's tragic and upsetting that it's so easy for people to get lost in the wilderness and never be found.

Yeah, it really is tragic. She just went out to take some pictures and was never seen again. So young… It’s heartbreaking.

 

[Crizz71]

"There is a reason why women rarely hike alone. Not because of the bears."



Chuck and Larry Looking for Women in the Yosemite Wilderness



Chuck: Forget Curry Village, we’re heading up to Sunrise Lakes tonight. That’s where the real girls are.



Larry: Wait… women? In the wilderness? At night?



Chuck: Yeah man, the talent up there is next level.



Larry: You want me to climb 4,000 feet in the dark… to meet women?



Chuck: Exactly. That’s where they are.



Larry: Who the is going to be wandering around Sunrise Lakes at night looking for a boyfriend?



Chuck: Trust me bro, they’re up there.



Larry: What we taking then?



Chuck: Sleeping bags, headlamps, 3 litres of water, trail mix, bear spray — the full works.



Larry: Bear spray for pulling girls?



(Two hours later, halfway up the trail)



Larry: I can’t feel my toes… this is hypothermia.



Chuck: That’s the vibe mate, keep walking.



Larry: I’m gonna throw up.



Chuck: Altitude sickness. Eat some trail mix.



Larry: I already ate it all.



(They finally stagger into the meadow at night)



Chuck: (whispering) Larry! Look — two blondes, perfect bodies!



Larry: That’s a tree, you mug.



Chuck: She’s just playing hard to get.



Larry: That’s a pine tree.



Chuck: Wait, there’s another one! Look at the legs on her!



Larry: That’s a rock, Chuck.



(High up in the pine tree, two squirrels are watching)



Squirrel 1: What are these two idiots doing?



Squirrel 2: I think they’re looking for women.



Squirrel 1: Women?! Up here?! At night?!



Squirrel 2: Mate, if a woman came up here in a cocktail dress she’d be dead of hypothermia in ten minutes.



Squirrel 1: These two are gonna die of it as well at this rate.



Squirrel 2: (laughing) The only thing getting pulled tonight is their hamstring.



(A few minutes later)



Chuck: (excitedly) Larry! I see one! Blonde hair, perfect figure… that’s Scarlett Johansson!



Larry: That’s a bear, you weapon.



Chuck: Nah, she’s just really committed to the role.



Bear: growls



Chuck: Quick, take your top off!



Larry: I’m going back down before I die of hypothermia, altitude sickness and terminal stupidity.



Chuck: Tell the raccoon I said hi!



Larry: (running away) You’re actually insane!



Chuck: Still better than Curry Village!

 

[Betty P]

"There is a reason why women rarely hike alone. Not because of the bears."



Chuck and Larry Looking for Women in the Yosemite Wilderness



Chuck: Forget Curry Village, we’re heading up to Sunrise Lakes tonight. That’s where the real girls are.



Larry: Wait… women? In the wilderness? At night?



Chuck: Yeah man, the talent up there is next level.



Larry: You want me to climb 4,000 feet in the dark… to meet women?



Chuck: Exactly. That’s where they are.



Larry: Who the is going to be wandering around Sunrise Lakes at night looking for a boyfriend?



Chuck: Trust me bro, they’re up there.



Larry: What we taking then?



Chuck: Sleeping bags, headlamps, 3 litres of water, trail mix, bear spray — the full works.



Larry: Bear spray for pulling girls?



(Two hours later, halfway up the trail)



Larry: I can’t feel my toes… this is hypothermia.



Chuck: That’s the vibe mate, keep walking.



Larry: I’m gonna throw up.



Chuck: Altitude sickness. Eat some trail mix.



Larry: I already ate it all.



(They finally stagger into the meadow at night)



Chuck: (whispering) Larry! Look — two blondes, perfect bodies!



Larry: That’s a tree, you mug.



Chuck: She’s just playing hard to get.



Larry: That’s a pine tree.



Chuck: Wait, there’s another one! Look at the legs on her!



Larry: That’s a rock, Chuck.



(High up in the pine tree, two squirrels are watching)



Squirrel 1: What are these two idiots doing?



Squirrel 2: I think they’re looking for women.



Squirrel 1: Women?! Up here?! At night?!



Squirrel 2: Mate, if a woman came up here in a cocktail dress she’d be dead of hypothermia in ten minutes.



Squirrel 1: These two are gonna die of it as well at this rate.



Squirrel 2: (laughing) The only thing getting pulled tonight is their hamstring.



(A few minutes later)



Chuck: (excitedly) Larry! I see one! Blonde hair, perfect figure… that’s Scarlett Johansson!



Larry: That’s a bear, you weapon.



Chuck: Nah, she’s just really committed to the role.



Bear: growls



Chuck: Quick, take your top off!



Larry: I’m going back down before I die of hypothermia, altitude sickness and terminal stupidity.



Chuck: Tell the raccoon I said hi!



Larry: (running away) You’re actually insane!



Chuck: Still better than Curry Village!

Thanks for giving us this perspective as someone who has actually hiked this area and the trails around it.

 

[Crizz71]

Thanks for giving us this perspective as someone who has actually hiked this area and the trails around it.

Thanks! Yeah, once you've actually been out there, you realise how easy it is to get lost.