CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #1

[Treelights]

What personal gain would someone have for abducting Susan?
1.The motivation was not to steal her car, as the car, although unlocked was still in the parking lot to the shopping center.
2.There was no real motivation for identity theft, because the ID was found with the wallet, and the missing credit cards have not been used.
3. Cash is missing from the wallet.....so cash could be a motivating factor of theft, but abduction??
4. Susan's ID has her address on it, as well as the registration to her car. As far as I am aware of, her house has not been broken in to, and if there was going to be a burglary, I would think the wallet with ID would not be left so close to her house. It's as if the perp wanted the ID to be found quickly. So a motivation for burglary at her home seems unlikely.
What personal gain would someone have in abducting a 59 year old woman?
Rape? A crime of passion? Control?
Why take her, but leave behind clues, like a car, like an unlocked car, like a wallet, like a wallet with ID??

 

[sreshowtime]

^uhh huh

wonder if the house was rekeyed

to quote Arte Johnson- veddy interesting

 

[sreshowtime]

Okay I am going there....I looked up residential trash pick up days, but I am more interested in dumpsters and who/when they are emptied in the general area. Anyone know who specifically services the general area?

Oh I see Roseville does offer
If your business needs service for a small 2 yard bin with once a week service, or a 40 yard compactor roll/on bin with everyday service, the Solid Waste Division can handle your waste disposal needs.

hmm

 

[LittleMissContrary]

What personal gain would someone have for abducting Susan?
1.The motivation was not to steal her car, as the car, although unlocked was still in the parking lot to the shopping center.
2.There was no real motivation for identity theft, because the ID was found with the wallet, and the missing credit cards have not been used.
3. Cash is missing from the wallet.....so cash could be a motivating factor of theft, but abduction??
4. Susan's ID has her address on it, as well as the registration to her car. As far as I am aware of, her house has not been broken in to, and if there was going to be a burglary, I would think the wallet with ID would not be left so close to her house. It's as if the perp wanted the ID to be found quickly. So a motivation for burglary at her home seems unlikely.
What personal gain would someone have in abducting a 59 year old woman?
Rape? A crime of passion? Control?
Why take her, but leave behind clues, like a car, like an unlocked car, like a wallet, like a wallet with ID??

To make it appear as though she had been abducted. Did she stage her own disappearance or did someone else?

 

[cluciano63]

Even if she did stage her own abduction...where on earth is she after a month? Most people do not have the resources to hide out, especially if she is not using credit and did not withdraw a lot of cash beforehand. I sure would not know how to do it, not without money or lots of cash. And if someone abducted her for purposes of sexual assault, it still seems she should have been found by now. Most strangers do not take much care in hiding their victims afterward. This is truly baffling.

 

[sreshowtime]

IMO time to expand the search out further north/west/south of Fiddyment, out Sunset & Baseline possibly, get beyond golf courses and neighborhood type green spaces

heading east seems to be congested?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

According to the records from the recorder's office, the family home had a substitution of Trustee/ Reconveyance recorded 17 days before Susan disappeared. Typically I believe that means that the house has been refinanced. More than likely, Susan's husband was part of the process. If he wasn't, or perhaps if she wasn't, that generates several different possible scenarios in my mind.

DH and I have re-fi'd our house more than once...

To repay college loans (for me)

for home improvements

For lower interest rates

what are some other reasons homes are refinanced... :waitasec:

 

[nikb]

I am just curious why Susan wears a bandanna around her neck in the photos shown on the video and the initial picture that was provided. Maybe it is just her style, but I just thought it was unusual.

Hmm. I wonder if she wears that scarf a lot? Would she have been wearing it on a warm sunny day? If so, I hope people are looking for it. A white/mostly white piece of cloth alongside a road might not draw that much attention unless people knew to look for it, IMO.

 

[nikb]

On her missing Facebook page, there is a diagram of where the wallet was found and it was found on the (backside/outside...or front depending on how you would call it) of that shopping center on a sidewalk near the Wells Fargo,(not far from the intersection of Woodcreek Blvd. and Pleasant Grove Blvd), so I don't know if a car could hit her right there..... plus, if she had her purse with her, why would her wallet be out of her purse, and then the ID left there but the cash and credit cards taken out? IMO....

Good points. I wonder if she was maybe on her way to the ATM before going to the store? Personally I'd just get cash back at the store if that's what I needed, but just another thought.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

Hmm. I wonder if she wears that scarf a lot? Would she have been wearing it on a warm sunny day? If so, I hope people are looking for it. A white/mostly white piece of cloth alongside a road might not draw that much attention unless people knew to look for it, IMO.[/


One of the photos I saw shows Susan wearing the bandanna and a blue visor. It appears to have been taken by a river or similar setting.

 

[nikb]

DH and I have re-fi'd our house more than once...

To repay college loans (for me)

for home improvements

For lower interest rates

what are some other reasons homes are refinanced... :waitasec:

Main one in my mind and in my past experience has been lower interest rates, or to shorten the loan term (30 years down to 15). Even though our rate's already pretty low, we almost refi'd around that same time because the rates dropped even more.

Only other thing I can think of is maybe to pull out needed cash for a family emergency - i.e. medical expenses. But I think that probably would've been reported somewhere.

 

[SuziQ]

To make it appear as though she had been abducted. Did she stage her own disappearance or did someone else?

These are the two scenarios that I've narrowed down to.

 

[nikb]

Just a few thoughts about the Roseville area, hopefully other locals will comment as well.

I don't live in Roseville but my Dad has for many years, several friends live there or nearby, and my husband's worked out there for a long time at various places. We live 15-20 minutes away, depending on time of day and which part of Roseville we're going to.

It's not a "small" place, but it has sort of pockets of communities, like most places I'd imagine. Where we live isn't small either, but I tend to frequent the same stores, know the checkers/baggers, etc. I think that part of Roseville is similar. I would imagine that shopping center probably gets a fair number of people from Sun City since it's so close.

Regarding the population/congestion - yes, it's more congested to the East. It's been growing out there a lot in general though - lots of fairly new homes and communities in the area (by fairly new I'm talking the last 10-15 years). The Roseville Galleria Mall opened in 2000 and the Thunder Valley Casino opened in 2003 - both are near Highway 80 and Highway 65. Both really increased traffic in that area, and I assume population too.

I just found this page the other day from looking at another case and have found it really interesting for info in general. Here's a ton of info about the area (scroll down and/or use drop downs for more details):

http://www.city-data.com/city/California2.html#mapOSM?mapOSM[zl]=11&mapOSM[c1]=38.7637211488416&mapOSM[c2]=-121.28665924072266&mapOSM=housing93&mapOSM[fs]=false

In terms of crime - definitely not crime-free (is anywhere anymore??), but I feel like it's one of the safer areas around here. There's not much reported there for murders, rapes, etc... doesn't mean they don't happen, but we're talking about an area where a house robbery or fire generally makes the news, so it's not like there's a ton of violent crime that's not being reported.

 

[cluciano63]

To me, the idea that someone else made it look like she was abducted, vs. her doing so, is more likely , mostly because I cannot imagine where and how she went anyplace where she could still be hidden after a month, with apparently little or no cash.

Have shelters been checked?

 

[Treelights]

To me, the idea that someone else made it look like she was abducted, vs. her doing so, is more likely , mostly because I cannot imagine where and how she went anyplace where she could still be hidden after a month, with apparently little or no cash.

Have shelters been checked?

Very plausible, in my opinion as well.

 

[Treelights]

To make it appear as though she had been abducted. Did she stage her own disappearance or did someone else?

If Susan staged her own disappearance, then there is more of a possibility that she is alive somewhere. If someone else staged her disappearance, then where is Susan, and is she alive?

 

[marycarney]

I am leaning heavily to the 'voluntary' side. It seems to me that- in the voluntary cases I've followed - the more the family and friends say 'never' the more likely it is to be voluntary.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Treelights]

I am leaning heavily to the 'voluntary' side. It seems to me that- in the voluntary cases I've followed - the more the family and friends say 'never' the more likely it is to be voluntary.

Just my opinion, of course.

It would definitely be more promising and hopeful that Susan left willingly on her own, if that is the case.

 

[cluciano63]

I am leaning heavily to the 'voluntary' side. It seems to me that- in the voluntary cases I've followed - the more the family and friends say 'never' the more likely it is to be voluntary.

Just my opinion, of course.

I agree in theory, but with her not taking her car or as far as we know, a bank withdrawal, I am having trouble seeing how she is managing. And if she had been suicidal, for instance, she probably should have been found. It is not that easy to hide your own body.

 

[Treelights]

I agree in theory, but with her not taking her car or as far as we know, a bank withdrawal, I am having trouble seeing how she is managing. And if she had been suicidal, for instance, she probably should have been found. It is not that easy to hide your own body.

If she is not alone, that could be one way of managing her life over the last month, in my opinion....