CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #1

[MerBeach]

I come here every day checking for news about Susan. It would be so wonderful if she could be there to meet her new Grandbaby! I wish we could hear from Susan's sister through the media. I'm certain she would have a valuable perspective of the situation. Even though Susan is a very private person, her sibling would have a certain insight about her personality. I am sure her sister has shared everything with police, I would just like to see more in the media...to keep the search active. I can't imagine the pain the family is going through. I'm still praying for a happy ending.

 

[floridamomma]

Wow....all I can say is that if I ever went missing, this is what I would want someone to do for me.

Thank you!

i told hubby if im ever missing, come here and tell y'all about it :seeya:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Didn't Kjac post earlier that Susan had had a hip replacement?

I thought he had mentioned a joint replacement, too... Hip comes to mind..

Looked back in my notes... I didn't write it down... Grrrr... :banghead:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I come here every day checking for news about Susan. It would be so wonderful if she could be there to meet her new Grandbaby! I wish we could hear from Susan's sister through the media. I'm certain she would have a valuable perspective of the situation. Even though Susan is a very private person, her sibling would have a certain insight about her personality. I am sure her sister has shared everything with police, I would just like to see more in the media...to keep the search active. I can't imagine the pain the family is going through. I'm still praying for a happy ending.

:Welcome1: MerBeach! :welcome5:

thank you for helping to find Susan!

:seeya:

 

[bright_shadow]

Disclaimer/Warning: This is long. It's not about Susan. NOR DO I THINK THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO SUSAN. But, rather than be upset about the perceived non actions of the media, law enforcement, the community, etc., I'm trying to give them the benefit of a doubt. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I think it's possible there are unknown, unpublicized things that may be affecting the course of action taken by the individuals involved. My perspective comes from the following personal experience:

A few years ago, a local young woman went missing under suspicious circumstances. Miss M was an attractive young lady, who, by all appearances, led a normal, healthy, successful life. She went to college, held a part time job, had friends, roommates, and a close family. One day she never returned from running an errand. Vanished. Without a trace. If I remember correctly, she was even profiled here on Websleuths. If not, she could have been.

The case initially received enormous media attention. Missing posters were distributed around town and all outlying areas. Family members tearfully appealed to the public for help and were the subject of frequent media interviews. Candlelight vigils were well attended.

At first, authorities treated this as a likely abduction, even warning those in the neighborhood to be cautious in their actions. Law enforcement devoted substantial resources to searching for Miss M with the assumption she'd been abducted or carjacked. Her family was absolutely adamant that there was no possible way Miss M would have left on her own.

It wasn't long before law enforcement's efforts waned (or appeared to, at least from the standpoint of identifying and pursuing suspects). The family was upset. They appealed to the media. In the specific report that caught my attention, an experienced and reputable reporter sided with the family and hinted that local law enforcement wasn't doing their job.

Coincidentally, I had established contact with that reporter several times over the past years on local political issues. So, assuming that I had some credibility with him, I called him and told him that I was related to a close contact of Miss M's, and that there were things about Miss M that he might find of interest.

He was speechless when I told him that in the months prior to her disappearance, Miss M had become increasingly unstable. In the preceding weeks, she had done everything from literally chopping off her gorgeous hair to experiencing a full blown break that required hospitalization.

The reporter -- with years of experience, heightened perception, and awareness of mental illness -- had absolutely no clue and had no reason to suspect anything because the family was so convincing in their omission of facts and denial. After my disclosure, he admitted that suddenly everything made sense. Obviously law enforcement (who were also initially unaware of this until they discovered it on their own), couldn't discuss it because of privacy concerns.

From what I gather, the family wasn't as worried that their concerns regarding a possible abduction would be dismissed if Miss M's mental status was disclosed as much as they were in total denial that Miss M had a "real" problem.

The good news is that Miss M was found shortly after that, and safe. The day she went missing, she got in her car after running an errand and just kept driving. She drove for hours and ended up in another state. Someone who had seen media reports recognized her, disoriented but safe, and called authorities. (Illustrating the importance of continued media coverage and public awareness in these situations). She returned home and finally received the appropriate treatment for her condition. Last I heard, she was doing well.

Again, I can't stress enough that I don't think this is what happened with Susan. I'm just demonstrating some of the points people have made here about interpersonal, social, and political dynamics and that things aren't always as they appear.

IF there are unseen factors in Susan's situation that are affecting others' reactions, I'm absolutely baffled as to what they could be. But that doesn't mean they don't exist.

So I'll just continue to pray for her, along with everyone who is involved. I will hope for transparency and healing to dissipate darkness and bring to light anything that might be obstructing Susan's return or any clues leading to her whereabouts.

 

[radiator]

I thought he had mentioned a joint replacement, too... Hip comes to mind..

Looked back in my notes... I didn't write it down... Grrrr... :banghead:

BBM finally found it!

Below is a “for and against” for some of the more possible scenarios. They are in no particular order.
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She would not be able to walk too great a distance given that she had a hip replacement a few years ago. Typically walking distance for her was 1-2 miles.

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[Seajay]

Family doesn't know their family members as well as they think they do. Mine doesn't know me the way they think they do. If Susan is a private person, like I am, she doesn't talk about things that bother her or that she's interested in.

I know in my case, no amount of sleuthing would find anything on me. If I went missing, no one would have any idea which way to look. But I'm sure all of them would say I would not voluntarily disappear. However, I can't tell you how many times I've thought of doing just that.

So who knows?

 

[cluciano63]

Family doesn't know their family members as well as they think they do. Mine doesn't know me the way they think they do. If Susan is a private person, like I am, she doesn't talk about things that bother her or that she's interested in.

I know in my case, no amount of sleuthing would find anything on me. If I went missing, no one would have any idea which way to look. But I'm sure all of them would say I would not voluntarily disappear. However, I can't tell you how many times I've thought of doing just that.

So who knows?

Me too. I would say that lots more people have thought about leaving their lives than people would guess. But...I don't know how they would actually go about it, especially someone like Susan (or myself). Actually doing it is and staying away and hidden can't be simple.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

BBM finally found it!

thanks, Radiator!:seeya:

I DID put it in my notes... This time!

 

[Treelights]

Me too. I would say that lots more people have thought about leaving their lives than people would guess. But...I don't know how they would actually go about it, especially someone like Susan (or myself). Actually doing it is and staying away and hidden can't be simple.

And for what purpose would "staging the scene" to look like it does, benefit Susan? Susan could have just vanished in her car, or took a bus with her ID, etc. Why leave the ID? Why leave the car? Why make it look like something other than it is?

If somebody did harm to Susan, why drop the ID near where the car is?
If the perp was looking for money or items, why not burglarize the home as well, seeing as Susan lives in the neighborhood. They have(had) her ID which gives the physical address of her home. The registration to her unlocked car gives the physical address to her home.
The perp did not want or need Susan's car.

What purpose would staging the scene to look like it does, benefit the perp?
They didn't want or need her ID, they didn't want or need her car.
The credit cards are gone (But NOT used), and some cash gone.
And the most important of all the Valuables is Susan; she is gone.

Certainly, dropping her wallet where it was found, would guarantee that someone would find it.
Dropping the wallet where it was found, if there were cameras, could then view who dropped it, if they physically walked there.
Was the wallet thrown from a car?
Why is there No known video of Susan being at the shopping center or even near the area? There was discussion of going through video to discern if Susan was there (her car was there), but yet after Two Months, No video is being released.
What is on the video that LE does not want released? Who is not on the video?

 

[bright_shadow]

I'm curious about the time span of any videos in question.

In other words, if someone is present in Raley's parking lot at 7:00 a.m, would any recording capturing that person's presence still be accessible that evening? Or would it have already been erased or recorded over?

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

I'm curious about the time span of any videos in question.

In other words, if someone is present in Raley's parking lot at 7:00 a.m, would any recording capturing that person's presence still be accessible that evening? Or would it have already been erased or recorded over?

Most businesses would keep video a minimum of 24 hrs., but some keep it for much longer than that. I think the answer to your question will vary with each business and their specific equipment setup. Quality of footage varies a lot also.

 

[cluciano63]

If her car was not caught on video, it always seems as though as it was parked purposely out of range as there should have been lots of spots at that hour and LE said they had heaps of video, but none that was useful.

 

[Seajay]

If her car was not caught on video, it always seems as though as it was parked purposely out of range as there should have been lots of spots at that hour and LE said they had heaps of video, but none that was useful.

Yes. It goes back to what I said a few pages back. The car was parked out in the middle of nowhere in this vast parking lot instead of up closer to the store within camera range. Why was it parked so far out there and by whom???

At this point, we don't have any proof that Susan was the one who drove the car into the parking lot that morning.

It's been 2 months now and I have a short memory. Were the keys found in the car?? I know the purse was and the car was unlocked but for the life of me I can't remember if the keys were found in the car or not.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Oh Susan. I was searching missing persons pictures recently and remember coming across your sweet face. I hope you are found safe! Praying for you.

 

[Annie1004]

Yes. It goes back to what I said a few pages back. The car was parked out in the middle of nowhere in this vast parking lot instead of up closer to the store within camera range. Why was it parked so far out there and by whom???

At this point, we don't have any proof that Susan was the one who drove the car into the parking lot that morning.

It's been 2 months now and I have a short memory. Were the keys found in the car?? I know the purse was and the car was unlocked but for the life of me I can't remember if the keys were found in the car or not.

IIRC, Kjac said Susan's habit was to park in the middle of the parking lot, so this wasn't unusual for her. There is a photo of the parked car on FB.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

If her car was not caught on video, it always seems as though as it was parked purposely out of range as there should have been lots of spots at that hour and LE said they had heaps of video, but none that was useful.

I wonder what they meant by "not useful"? Some video is of such poor quality you couldn't ID anybody from it, sometimes angles of the camera prevent ID. I would think that businesses like convenience stores, gas stations are focused on their parking lots (for gas drive-offs, etc.), but some footage from other businesses is more directed at entrances. Just trying to analyze "not useful" as not good quality versus Susan and/or car are not seen on video. Am I remembering correctly that they were going to try to have video enhanced?

 

[bright_shadow]

Yes. It goes back to what I said a few pages back. The car was parked out in the middle of nowhere in this vast parking lot instead of up closer to the store within camera range. Why was it parked so far out there and by whom???

At this point, we don't have any proof that Susan was the one who drove the car into the parking lot that morning.

It's been 2 months now and I have a short memory. Were the keys found in the car?? I know the purse was and the car was unlocked but for the life of me I can't remember if the keys were found in the car or not.

Here's the last I recall seeing on the matter of the keys (post #141):


05-29-2013, 09:10 PM
Kjac22 Kjac22 is offline
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Her car was parked a little ways back in the lot, I think mid-way down or so (not right at front as you would expect during that time of day) - but this was normal for her. She didn't mind walking, wanted to protect her car from door dings, and there is always more activity at the front of the store (in and out, etc.) so liked to avoid all that. That is just the way she is - so I'm not surprised by that. Her car was found unlocked - this is VERY surprising to me. Susan is a very meticulous person - and always locked her doors, held tight onto her purse and wallet, and things like that. A bit paranoid of getting robbed or something (she's a small person). I did not think that her purse was found - I went back to the articles and there was one article that mentions her purse being found in the car - but I am verifying this with police because this could be a mistake. She always keeps her wallet in her purse, and always keeps her purse on her (wrapped around her shoulder - opposite shoulder to opposite hip - again, so someone can't run by and grab it). She would not have gone into the store with only her wallet - it would have been in her purse. She keeps her keys in her side pant pocket (she was wearing jeans, she would not have gone out in sweats). My understanding is that they didn't find the keys either, but I am verifying. From watching the interview (video) with the lady who found her wallet, it looks like the wallet was found on the Woodcreek sidewalk on the outside of the shopping center (behind the Wells Fargo). This would have been a ways away from her car, and heading out of the shopping center onto Woodcreek (right onto Woodcreek out of the shopping center towards Pleasant Grove). The money (at most $100) and credit cards were gone. No activity on the credit cards. She would never accidently leave her car unlocked or leave her wallet someplace, or leave her purse in her car - like I said, very detailed oriented when it came to that stuff.

 

[bright_shadow]

IIRC, Kjac said Susan's habit was to park in the middle of the parking lot, so this wasn't unusual for her. There is a photo of the parked car on FB.

I am very confused about the car location. Refer to the below post from Kjac (post #478 from 6/26). From this post, I'm inferring that the photo of the parked car on FB may simply be representative of "where Susan would usually park her car," and not necessarily where investigators actually found the car. Note that this post is the most recent regarding the location of the car, posted after the 5/29 post (above) in which Kjac said her car was parked a little ways back in the lot. Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly (?):


06-26-2013, 12:14 PM
Kjac22 Kjac22 is offline
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We do not know exactly where her car was parked in the shopping center. I'm not sure if initially someone indicated where she parked, but I did have the impression early on that she had parked near the middle of the lot. But when I followed up later, LE preferred not to give out this information, so I'm not 100% sure where the car was found in the shopping center. I would not be surprised (and I would even expect) that it was found near the middle (i.e. not right up front near the entrance) because she just typically preferred to park back a little ways to avoid people coming in and out, and also to avoid door dings, etc. I'm similar - I don't care about door dings but I do park back to avoid some of the activity at the front of the store (cars pulling in and out, people unloading, etc.) and I don't mind walking.

No polygraph - just hasn't come up. My understanding and talking to people is that many agencies don't use anymore since they aren't conclusive and a lot of issues have come up with their reliability.

Thanks all.

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Edited to add: I went back and checked the FB page. The picture of the parking lot indicating where the car was found was posted by Kjac on May 30. So his statement that "We do not know exactly where her car was parked in the shopping center" was posted after the representation of the parking lot was posted on FB. Makes sense to me now.

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.thepresstribune.com/article/video-surveillance-has-not-unwrapped-mystery-susan-jacobson
Wednesday May 15 2013

"Combing through a wealth of video surveillance has brought Roseville police detectives no closer to determining what happened to Susan Jacobson, a department spokeswoman said Tuesday."

Here is what they said about video...not very much.