CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #1

[cluciano63]

Maybe LE is waiting until they find her remains and then proceed onward.
IMOO.

Lol I am done with that theory after Hailey, Dylan, Katelyn, etc.

 

[Janeumayer]

His words remind me of Remy Ramsaran.

 

[nikb]

Hmm general thought from the recent posts. Maybe this has been mentioned before and didn't quite click in my head. If Susan was abducted, I wonder if she might've thrown her wallet/ID so that it would be known pretty quickly that she was missing?

Seems like very quick thinking in what would presumably be a very stressful situation. I wonder if she's one of those people who gets really calm and logical under stress? I am, and after the fact when I think it through it freaks even ME out how calm I get, so while it's hard for me to imagine thinking so quickly when I'm in a normal state of mind, I wonder if I might do the same in a stress/panic situation. I might think "do something to help people at least know something happened to me, if not help find me." I also know people who do completely irrational things or just panic and freeze up in stressful situations. It's just different personalities, I think. I wonder if Kjac might be able to give us some insight here.

 

[Treelights]

Lol I am done with that theory after Hailey, Dylan, Katelyn, etc.

You are So Right!!!!!!

 

[Treelights]

Hmm general thought from the recent posts. Maybe this has been mentioned before and didn't quite click in my head. If Susan was abducted, I wonder if she might've thrown her wallet/ID so that it would be known pretty quickly that she was missing?

Seems like very quick thinking in what would presumably be a very stressful situation. I wonder if she's one of those people who gets really calm and logical under stress? I am, and after the fact when I think it through it freaks even ME out how calm I get, so while it's hard for me to imagine thinking so quickly when I'm in a normal state of mind, I wonder if I might do the same in a stress/panic situation - do something to help people at least know something happened to me, if not help find me. I also know people who do completely irrational things or just panic and freeze up in stressful situations. It's just different personalities, I think. I wonder if Kjac might be able to give us some insight here.

Do you think the perp gave her ample time then to hygrade her wallet, take out all the cash and all the credit cards and she was allowed then to throw her wallet with ID in it? Doesn't seem plausible to me....... IMOO.

 

[Mahouston69]

Since we have nothing to go on...on the dogs ...what if Susan's scent was ON the person who parked her car, left her purse, dropped her wallet an walked across the street to the aquatics center got in their car and left after staging an abduction, wandering off...etc.

 

[nikb]

Do you think the perp gave her ample time then to hygrade her wallet, take out all the cash and all the credit cards and she was allowed then to throw her wallet with ID in it? Doesn't seem plausible to me....... IMOO.

Yeah... you're right, not really plausible. It's not like they're going to clean it out then hand it back to her with her ID in it. Darn it.

 

[nikb]

I wanted to mention I was at the State Fair on Saturday and there was absolutely nothing about Susan (or any other missing persons, but I don't know of any others in the immediate area right now). I remember last year at this time Linnea Lomax was missing from this area and her flyers were all over the place, especially by the front gate ticket booths, plus there was a table/booth type thing set up with information about her inside the fair. It might be too late to do a booth type thing and find staffing etc. but I tried to find out who could help with at least allowing flyers to be put up for Susan, and couldn't find the right person. I still haven't heard back on my messages. I don't think they're intentionally ignoring me, I'm sure opening weekend and the ~3 weeks of the fair are super busy times for them, but still frustrating. The ticket people only knew that they weren't allowed to let people put up or hand out posters/flyers without permission, but they weren't sure where the permission needed to come from. Sooo frustrating, especially seeing the stark contrast between last year and this year in a missing person case. To see absolutely nothing at the fair for Susan, have difficulty finding out how to do anything, and then find out they're "scaling back" the so-called search... really?

 

[sreshowtime]

Have any neighbors or employees from stores ( or even from reviewing video camera footage) even been able to establish the fact/verify that indeed Susan did do her shopping early in the mornings? That that was her norm?

Many cashiers/clerks often 'get to know' their customers, by sight,as in regularity. And with that being a predominantly retired community, quite frankly I am surprised at the lack of any commenting with any thing that could assist in this case. My dad lived in a 55+ community, and I guarantee you there were several in there that knew Everything going on behind the scenes, and some were quite adept at keeping their nose pressed against the front windows to monitor comings & goings...

Persons in her life supposedly were where they said they were the morning hours on that Thursday...but what about the preceding day(s) or night(s). It still hasn't been relayed by LE as to when a person outside of the household last saw or spoke to her.

I can't believe the somewhat cavalier attitude by LE....they aren't telling women, in particular, to be more cautious in their errands. By their silence, are they indicating they have handle on it? To borrow a phrase from Alanna Gallagher's case...is it just an 'isolated event'?

 

[Treelights]

I wanted to mention I was at the State Fair on Saturday and there was absolutely nothing about Susan (or any other missing persons, but I don't know of any others in the immediate area right now). I remember last year at this time Linnea Lomax was missing from this area and her flyers were all over the place, especially by the front gate ticket booths, plus there was a table/booth type thing set up with information about her inside the fair. It might be too late to do a booth type thing and find staffing etc. but I tried to find out who could help with at least allowing flyers to be put up for Susan, and couldn't find the right person. I still haven't heard back on my messages. I don't think they're intentionally ignoring me, I'm sure opening weekend and the ~3 weeks of the fair are super busy times for them, but still frustrating. The ticket people only knew that they weren't allowed to let people put up or hand out posters/flyers without permission, but they weren't sure where the permission needed to come from. Sooo frustrating, especially seeing the stark contrast between last year and this year in a missing person case. To see absolutely nothing at the fair for Susan, have difficulty finding out how to do anything, and then find out they're "scaling back" the so-called search... really?

Thanks for you effort in trying to put out flyers about Susan!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

The only part about Susan's abduction is, if she never made it to the shopping center,someone perhaps overheard her talking to her husband about going shopping that morning, because her vehicle was found in the very shopping center that her husband said she was going to be at.
Now, either Susan always went shopping on that same day of the week/time, or how many people knew that she was going shopping, if she did not even make it to the shopping center?
If she did make it to the shopping center, did she park next to the perp's car?
Supposedly she parked away from other cars so she wouldn't get a "ding" in her car. Did the perp park next to her?
This case just Boggles the mind.
And if it was this Eric guy who would have abducted her, why would he then throw out her ID with wallet so that it could easily be found??
Makes no sense to me, anyway.
IMOO.

Because many people impersonating officers ask the victim to pull their ID out of their wallet when first approaching them. They act as if it is a traffic stop.

What I'm worried about is how much of a fight she put up when abducted. Things left at the scene the way they were indicate to me some sort of struggle.

Then again, it could just be in general that there was a struggle and the ID was accidentally left behind amidst the chaos/susan fighting to not be abducted?

Imo

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I do think that the leaving the ID/wallet behind also seems like taunting on part of the perp.

Usually when you deal with peeps who think they are "smarter" than LE, LE plays into their superiority and narcissism by LE acting like they have "no clue" whats going on. Hoping that the suspect will become so cocky he will do something obvious or slip up. It's reverse psychology on LE's part with the ego of the suspect. IMO.

 

[Treelights]

Because many people impersonating officers ask the victim to pull their ID out of their wallet when first approaching them. They act as if it is a traffic stop.

What I'm worried about is how much of a fight she put up when abducted. Things left at the scene the way they were indicate to me some sort of struggle.

Then again, it could just be in general that there was a struggle and the ID was accidentally left behind amidst the chaos/susan fighting to not be abducted?

Imo

If there was a struggle in the parking lot to the shopping center, I imagine a crowd would have gathered to see an "impersonated" officer with a tiny statured woman struggling. Just doesn't make sense to me. People driving by would have seen it too, if the car was parked far out of reach of the video cameras and if she was parked closer to the main street.
I don't think she was ever in that parking lot, IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

I do think that the leaving the ID/wallet behind also seems like taunting on part of the perp.

Usually when you deal with peeps who think they are "smarter" than LE, LE plays into their superiority and narcissism by LE acting like they have "no clue" whats going on. Hoping that the suspect will become so cocky he will do something obvious or slip up. It's reverse psychology on LE's part with the ego of the suspect. IMO.

I don't see it as "taunting". I see it as the perp needed her ID to be found as quickly as possible to identify that Susan is missing, and hey her car is also close by in the parking lot. IMOO.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

My fear is.... If the ID was left behind with wallet, but credit cards taken....

The cards haven't been used....

I agree It does sound like a set up. It sounds like someone staged it to look like a robbery when it was anything but. This leads me to think whoever did this was not a stranger. I think this person knew her and had a personal grievance with her.

I have NO CLUE why they would leave the ID just to try and show emphasis on the cash and cards being missing and emphasize the idea of the car being there when foul play went down and emphasize the farcical staged robbery?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Perp Defo thinks he's smart enough to get one over on LE IMHO.

 

[cluciano63]

The way it LOOKS is that something happened to her elsewhere and the perp took her car to the lot, parked it out of camera range and scattered her belongings, taking the credit cards, to make it appear that she was abducted while going to Raley's. Ordinarily, I would have little doubt that the perp was her husband. But there does not seem to be a crime scene at the house, LE has said his alibi checks out, yet they have asked for info for as early as 4am. So do they suspect that the car was put there much earlier?

 

[Treelights]

The way it LOOKS is that something happened to her elsewhere and the perp took her car to the lot, parked it out of camera range and scattered her belongings, taking the credit cards, to make it appear that she was abducted while going to Raley's. Ordinarily, I would have little doubt that the perp was her husband. But there does not seem to be a crime scene at the house, LE has said his alibi checks out, yet they have asked for info for as early as 4am. So do they suspect that the car was put there much earlier?

My first thought about the 4am time period was just that, that the car was placed there earlier than the time period suggested of between 7:15am and 7:30am. Others have pointed out that perhaps LE was stating if anybody had seen anything unusual between the times of 4am and noon. So, without clarification, there are several viewpoints.
If they meant that the car was put there earlier, like 4am, they are then doubting the husband's statement. IMOO.
If they are not doubting his statement, their statement is a catch all phrase then, because different conclusions can be made.IMOO.

 

[nikb]

Thanks for you effort in trying to put out flyers about Susan!

Thanks for the thanks... I just wish it was actually helping! Maybe it's just me but it feels like this whole case is fighting for anyone to even care. I can't believe it's so hard just to get the right permission to try to help by putting up flyers and such.

 

[ThinkBlue07]

The way it LOOKS is that something happened to her elsewhere and the perp took her car to the lot, parked it out of camera range and scattered her belongings, taking the credit cards, to make it appear that she was abducted while going to Raley's. Ordinarily, I would have little doubt that the perp was her husband. But there does not seem to be a crime scene at the house, LE has said his alibi checks out, yet they have asked for info for as early as 4am. So do they suspect that the car was put there much earlier?

I'm right on board with you, cluciano63... I, too, would ordinarily have serious suspicions that the perp was the husband - but I think we've all been sensitive to Kjac's comments regarding what he knows about his family situation, and I've been generally accepting of his comments that everything checks out for his father.

However, the lingering concern for me is the lack of (or apparent lack of, to us anyway...) an independent verification from someone other than the husband about the last time Susan was seen alive. What if she hadn't talked to anyone or been seen by anyone for 48 hours prior to that particular day? Or even 24 hours? In a hypothetical situation with a similar fact pattern, the perp could have incapacitated her with no evidence of a crime scene at the home, and driven 5-6 hours (or even more) in any direction from the Sacramento area, and easily been back home in order to fit the alibi for the timeframe that has been publicly in question.

I don't want to come across like I'm asserting the husband did anything like this, but hypothetically, this is the kind of scenario that I would think LE could not dismiss without an independent verification of the victim's last contact and/or a polygraph of the possible perp.