CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #1

[cluciano63]

Was it an all night market ? Did anyone working the graveyard shift get off around the time when Susan would have been arriving ? If she shopped there fairly often at an early hour, could someone getting off work have known her habits ? moo

No, a Raley's Supermarket, which probably opened around 6am.

 

[Mahouston69]

You would, if this happened in your family. Or would you like to have all your skeletons dragged out of your closet and laid out for the whole world to see??

Problem is, there may not be any skeletons in their closet. Everything has just been speculations so far, despite the son assuring us that they had a normal life, nothing sneaky or suspicious going on in their lives.

I'm well aware of the statistics, but all cases don't fit the majority, we need to remember that.

In my own personal experience of having my own late husband go missing, and technically I was the last to see him- my life was an open book! I drove hundreds of miles, looked every day, searched every ditch! I put up hundreds of flyers, and wracked up a 2,000 dollar phone bill. (Before the Internet)

I did not go about my life as usual because I KNEW he was hurt or lost and needed my help! I was also 7 months pregnant and had a 2 year old at the time. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't just sit still and wait for the phone to ring. I sold almost everything we owned to fund searching every lead or possible "sighting". So, the silence and non panic surrounding this is super odd to me and I'm sure to everyone who has seen hundreds of these cases.

 

[nikb]

TY. I read that Susan was a person of very routine habits. So, I *assume* that she shopped in that store at that early hour fairly often. Could be something.MOO Wonder if the perp(s) also trolled the parking lot at such an early hour ? Would be great if anyone remembered seeing the same vehicle parked in the lot several early mornings in a row...

Exactly! I keep thinking that the store clerks and/or baggers would likely find her familiar, even if they don't recall seeing her on that day specifically. I often shop pretty late at night because I'm kind of a night owl (in case that wasn't obvious from the times on my posts here lol). The checkers and baggers who work late and/or closing shift know me really well, probably not by name, but by sight for sure and we chit chat, joke around, etc. The store I normally go to is part of the Raley's/Bel Air chain, and one thing they really focus on is being customer oriented - unloading your cart, bagging stuff up, helping you to your car if you want, etc. Back to Susan, she's clearly more of a morning person than I am! But if she shopped at that Raleys often, especially at roughly the same time of day, I feel like someone should remember her. If she had the baggers help her take things out to her car, I think they'd likely remember where she normally parked, too.

The silence is practically deafening in this case.

 

[nikb]

Was it an all night market ? Did anyone working the graveyard shift get off around the time when Susan would have been arriving ? If she shopped there fairly often at an early hour, could someone getting off work have known her habits ? moo

No, not all night, but they open at 6am so it's pretty early. They close at 11pm. While I was looking up hours I ran across this that might be of interest: http://www.raleys.com/www/feature/diversity_community.jsp?featureid=1222746. Snipped: "The Sun City Bike Club meets weekly for morning bike rides throughout the Roseville area. Thank you, Roseville Raley's for setting a great example for community involvement in Roseville."

I've never seen any mention of Susan being involved in biking, but this store was specifically supporting at least one Sun City club.

Another random thought, I've noticed that overnight the stores are sometimes open for shelf-stocking people, store cleaning people, or people cleaning the parking lots. A bunch of the Raleys stores around here remodeled in the last year or two, and a lot of the work was done overnight too. Hmm.. I wonder if this store was remodeled also? I'll check it out next time I'm out that way. It's been so long it's hard to know if it matters, but I'm all in favor of anything that might lead to finding Susan.

 

[nikb]

One more quick addition... cluciano I can so relate! I have a number of physical issues too that make it hard for me to go out too much. I love to, and do sometimes, but I usually pay for it for days. Sometimes I'll literally spread out grocery shopping for days just to have the social outlet... milk one day, bread the next, that kind of thing. I wonder if Susan's the same way. If so, again I'm almost sure the checkers and baggers should recognize her because she was probably in the store frequently.

 

[nikb]

CLUC, hI...Could it be that senior victims are not big ratings bringers ? Really,if not for WS, I doubt much would be known about most missing persons. moo

It's a good point. I've wondered before if she's just the "wrong" age. Too old to be a young victim, but too young to be a senior. If she was 19 or 79, I have a feeling efforts to find her would be stronger... JMO.

 

[Eileen730]

You would, if this happened in your family. Or would you like to have all your skeletons dragged out of your closet and laid out for the whole world to see??

Problem is, there may not be any skeletons in their closet. Everything has just been speculations so far, despite the son assuring us that they had a normal life, nothing sneaky or suspicious going on in their lives.

I'm well aware of the statistics, but all cases don't fit the majority, we need to remember that.

Its possible that those skeletons are the reason a person goes missing!

 

[Eileen730]

CLUC, hI...Could it be that senior victims are not big ratings bringers ? Really,if not for WS, I doubt much would be known about most missing persons. moo

IMO most of these cases where wives are missing it usually has the same unhappy ending!

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Its possible that those skeletons are the reason a person goes missing!

IMO most of these cases where wives are missing it usually has the same unhappy ending!

Statistics are not 100% and there are cases both here and in the media to prove that. I always look at cases involving women of my mom's age, which is why I was drawn to Susan's story. I agree that ransom situations are rare BUT there are crazy people who kidnap women for reasons other than getting a large amt of $$. Some will harm another for the sake of the cash they have with them, others are held for days, weeks, even years against their will. There was a case on here about a woman from Canada who disappeared after she left her job at a mall. The husband was at home, had no real alibi and was the obvious suspect. The family insisted he was not capable of harming his wife. After about a month, this poor woman escaped from her kidnapper from where she was being held just blocks from where she was abducted in that mall parking lot. What if she had never escaped? What if she had been killed and her body disposed of? Who do you suppose would still be blamed to this day? I've been on both sides of this fence. It is a nightmare, both the tragic outcome and the scrutiny that goes with it. My heart continues to go out to you Kjac and your family. Thank you for your updates and for sharing your point of view.

 

[liz b.]

IMO most of these cases where wives are missing it usually has the same unhappy ending!

Eileen 730, I hear you.But, I read that in this case her husband had an alibi that held up ?

 

[liz b.]

No, not all night, but they open at 6am so it's pretty early. They close at 11pm. While I was looking up hours I ran across this that might be of interest: http://www.raleys.com/www/feature/diversity_community.jsp?featureid=1222746. Snipped: "The Sun City Bike Club meets weekly for morning bike rides throughout the Roseville area. Thank you, Roseville Raley's for setting a great example for community involvement in Roseville."

I've never seen any mention of Susan being involved in biking, but this store was specifically supporting at least one Sun City club.

Another random thought, I've noticed that overnight the stores are sometimes open for shelf-stocking people, store cleaning peopl[/Bpeo]e, or people cleaning the parking lots. A bunch of the Raleys stores around here remodeled in the last year or two, and a lot of the work was done overnight too. Hmm.. I wonder if this store was remodeled also? I'll check it out next time I'm out that way. It's been so long it's hard to know if it matters, but I'm all in favor of anything that might lead to finding Susan.

BBM. Yes, I wondered about that. In that case, Susan might have seen such a person on different occasions,and probably would not have been fearful if they had approached her ? I do not think she spoke much to the people in the store. She may not have interacted very much with people outside her family. moo

 

[Cuoco7]

I have a real life scenario that took me by surprise several years ago when I had my child. My mom was so looking forward to a grandchild and I felt like I needed to hurry up and have one soon because I was in my early 30's and we were all getting older.
Once my child was born she was very much present. But very early on, within 6 mos. she started to disappear on occasion for a few months at a time. Not literally disappear, but go into seclusion.
She was unable to deal with the responsibility of a grandchild. My husband and I work full-time and initially she made herself available, but that quickly waned. It took another relative to gently explain that this might have been what was going on. I took it as why isn't she interested in seeeing her only grandchild for months at a time. She unfortunately didn't have that much time with him and it saddens me greatly that the time she could've spent with him is gone and he will never have really known his grandma.
Grandparents are relied on heavily, at least within my spectrum of friends. I think about that often and realize that they are the ones practically raising them because of how much everyone has to work these days.
We don't know the inside and outs of Susan's family dynamics, but who knows of what pending expectations were out there. The general description reminds me of what my mother was like.

 

[Treelights]

I have a real life scenario that took me by surprise several years ago when I had my child. My mom was so looking forward to a grandchild and I felt like I needed to hurry up and have one soon because I was in my early 30's and we were all getting older.
Once my child was born she was very much present. But very early on, within 6 mos. she started to disappear on occasion for a few months at a time. Not literally disappear, but go into seclusion.
She was unable to deal with the responsibility of a grandchild. My husband and I work full-time and initially she made herself available, but that quickly waned. It took another relative to gently explain that this might have been what was going on. I took it as why isn't she interested in seeeing her only grandchild for months at a time. She unfortunately didn't have that much time with him and it saddens me greatly that the time she could've spent with him is gone and he will never have really known his grandma.
Grandparents are relied on heavily, at least within my spectrum of friends. I think about that often and realize that they are the ones practically raising them because of how much everyone has to work these days.
We don't know the inside and outs of Susan's family dynamics, but who knows of what pending expectations were out there. The general description reminds me of what my mother was like.

Thanks for your comment about your mom. It is sad that she wasn't able to spend much time with him. God Bless.
It is true that we don't know the insides and outs of Susan's family dynamics, but it seems odd to me that Susan was looking forward to being a grandmother, then decided to stage her disappearance and leave not only her only grandchild, but leave her son, leave her husband, leave her sister, leave her daughter-in-law, leave the security of her home, leave her ID/driver's license, leave Everything, and not even take her own car to boot because of the newly arriving grandchild. It doesn't add up. IMOO.

 

[Eileen730]

Eileen 730, I hear you.But, I read that in this case her husband had an alibi that held up ?

yes but......did she really go missing that morning or the night before? I'd love to know who the last person besides her husband was and when she was seen or spoken to last.

 

[Mahouston69]

yes but......did she really go missing that morning or the night before? I'd love to know who the last person besides her husband was and when she was seen or spoken to last.

Me too. I think that has been asked before but never read an answer. Maybe that would open a possible door and new lead. Who was the last to see or speak her besides her husband, among friends/family, neighbors.
Hopefully, Kjac can answer that and maybe be willing to tell us when he last talked to her personally and the nature of their conversation. If he has already, can someone point me to the post. Sometimes reading between the lines is easier in retrospect.

 

[nikb]

BBM. Yes, I wondered about that. In that case, Susan might have seen such a person on different occasions,and probably would not have been fearful if they had approached her ? I do not think she spoke much to the people in the store. She may not have interacted very much with people outside her family. moo

I agree she probably didn't speak to the store employees much, but I bet she did a little bit. I mean it's kind of hard not to, if they're being friendly and asking stuff like "how's your day going?" If she didn't talk to them, even that probably would stand out. Wish we knew more from the perspective of the checkers/baggers. It'd probably be hard for them to say for sure that they didn't see her that morning, but I bet they'd remember it if they did (well, at the time.. it's been so long now it'd probably be hard to recall).

 

[nikb]

I drive by this shopping center everyday. I live within walking distance to it. I usually am driving by just before 7:30 to take my son over to the middle school. The shopping center is very close to the high school and at 7:15 there are a lot of high school kids on the street walking to school. I have a very hard time see how this went down there at that time. I think it had to have happened sooner in the morning. There is just too much foot traffic and general business after 7am around there.

Agreed! It's not a quiet shopping center. Seems like there's stuff going on almost all the time, with the possible exception of maybe midnight to 4am or so.

Do you happen to know if this is one of the Raleys stores that was remodeled in the last year or two? At the ones I'm thinking of they redid the floors, put up new signs, redesigned some of the aisles, and moved a lot of things around. I don't know if it matters, but if they did remodel in the same time frame that Susan went missing there were probably people there overnight.

 

[Eileen730]

Me too. I think that has been asked before but never read an answer. Maybe that would open a possible door and new lead. Who was the last to see or speak her besides her husband, among friends/family, neighbors.
Hopefully, Kjac can answer that and maybe be willing to tell us when he last talked to her personally and the nature of their conversation. If he has already, can someone point me to the post. Sometimes reading between the lines is easier in retrospect.

It has been asked and asked but never answered!

 

[nikb]

Me too. I think that has been asked before but never read an answer. Maybe that would open a possible door and new lead. Who was the last to see or speak her besides her husband, among friends/family, neighbors.
Hopefully, Kjac can answer that and maybe be willing to tell us when he last talked to her personally and the nature of their conversation. If he has already, can someone point me to the post. Sometimes reading between the lines is easier in retrospect.

Don't think this has been answered, but I know we've all wondered and asked about it.

The night before... did anyone see her walking the dog, getting the mail, anything? That morning, did anyone see her walking into the store, shopping, leaving? Did she break her normal routine and grab a coffee at Starbucks? There's got to be something. I sure hope LE is aware of more info than we are.

 

[nikb]

As an aside... hubby's got a friend who just finished training and is now on the police force in Roseville. I doubt he could tell me anything or knows anything since he just started, but I'm going to make sure he knows about Susan.