CA - Tori Vienneau, 22, & Dean Springstube, 10 mos, murdered, Bonita, 26 July 2006 #1

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LE must have some clues in this case. It seems that they would be working it like mad because of that poor little guy being hung like that. I'll bet they want to get their hands on that killer so bad. The person who did that has to be the worst of the worst.
 
Reading this just made me hurt inside so bad...


Vienneau and her son shared the same open casket. Dean was dressed in a Padres uniform.
“I wanted them together in death as they were in life,”



I read in one the articles that the baby and mom were both strangled with a cord. I hadn't read that he was 'hung'...was that the initial report, is that what happened?

I had first thought that maybe the mom was killed then the baby maybe accidently got 'caught' up in the crib because mom never came to get him, but doesn't seem that way. This is a horrible case. I can't imagine what the family is going through. I sure hope they are on to who did this and that is why everything is so hush. I have a 10 month old, I just can't even comprehend how someone could hurt a baby.
 
BirdieBoo said:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060814-9999-1m14tori.html

Here is an article which states that police feel it may have been someone she knew. Also says that Dayna works for the newspaper, maybe thats a factor in the story not being in the paper too much.

Also sounds like Tori had a hard life. I would like to know a bit more about Daniel. Is he the baby's father? Is he a suspect?
From everything that I have read, Daniel, was Tori's close friend and former room-mate. He has refered to Dean as his nephew. According to one article they had been room-mates just a couple of months before Tori & Dean's death. Daniel had moved back into his Mother's house due to financial reason's. That is when Tori and little Dean moved into the apt where they were murdered.

I still have not seen the name of Dean's father listed anywhere. I am assuming, that his last name is Springstube like little Dean but cannot confirm it.
There is a picture at the legacy site of Tori at her baby shower. She is sitting on the lap of a young white male identified only as Neil. Could this be Dean's father?
 
Tom'sGirl said:
Thanks, Shadow, it was an odd post to me for a grown woman to post if they're in touch (must be as she received photos) why would she find the need to post all that?

There sure hasn't been anything in the San Diego area papers about this case, but I still have the feeling we WILL learn something. My brother lives down in that area and he says he's neither read or heard anything.............THEY MAY BE KEEPING THINGS UNDER WRAPS like in several cases.
"THEY MAY BE KEEPING THINGS UNDER WRAPS like in several cases."

Tomsgirl,

You know, keeping things underwraps is one thing. Many times you see LE making comments about not releasing certain info at this time and so forth. In this case, the media doesn't even seem to be asking for any info. That is what frustrates me! No one seems to care that this young girl and that beautiful little boy were murdered.
 
I sent an email to Greta this morning. Maybe she will pick up the story. Here is her email if anyone else would like to send her one asking her to look into the deaths of Tori & Dean.

[email protected]
 
September 17, 2006
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To My Baby Girl Tori, & My Perfect Grandson Dean,
You have no idea how many of these I have written to you, but they never get printed, so this time I have checked the guidelines & will try to stay within them, hard as that seems to be for me.
Tori, I love you beyond words and have no idea of how to go on without you. We were a matching set for 22 years. I loved every moment of them, and never in a million years thought it would end so soon. I sure didn't know what it took to be a mom when I gave birth to you, but I fell in love with you, and hoped I would learn the rest as we went along. Thank you for being the perfect daughter for me! Once we got past the colic, you were an absolute joy to be around!
I know I made mistakes over the years. I know I disappointed you at times, but I never wavered in my love for you. You will never know how grateful I am that YOU knew how much you were loved, and how I cherish the fact that you told me so on so many occasions.
Not many parents have what we had. You were my beautiful daughter, my best friend, the center of my universe. Oh Tor, I miss you so much. I never knew a heart could shatter like this. I never knew a lot of things. I wish I didn’t know them now.
My beautiful baby boy Dean, what a gift from God you were! I never knew a baby like you in my life. You were perfect from the start. How lucky your Mom was to have you, as well as Grandpa & myself. You rarely cried as an infant, & almost never once you had a few months under your belt. You didn’t even cry when you were teething! You were all smiles all the time.
I will always remember you trying to crawl, but you always went backwards! And your head was so heavy it would tip you over. But once you got the hang of it there was no stopping you. You would follow your Mom everywhere, except when you came here. The minute you were put on the floor you were off to find grandpa. If he wasn’t in the kitchen, you would turn around & go straight to the office, never touching a single thing on your way, like most babies do. You would smile from ear to ear when you found him, & crawl up his leg onto his lap & all was right in your world. Your mom & I would peek in & laugh because Grandpa was explaining something on the computer to you, & we were staring at the screen so intently, as if you knew what he was telling you.
But of all the memories I have of you, my favorite was the last month of your lives at the pool here. Grandpa & I would start looking for you & your Mom & Daniel by 9am because we couldn’t wait to be with you guys. Once again you amazed me with your love of adventure. You were never once afraid to be in the pool, you loved it! I think you thought we were in a big bathtub together. I can see you swimming (with help of course) from Daniel to Roy, and back. I can see that huge smile when you were with your Mommy in the pool. But that last weekend when you learned how to splash, was the single most perfect weekend I have ever spent in my life. Auntie Patti was with all of us that final weekend. Thank God she took so many photos of you guys. When you understood it was your little hands that was making the water splash in Grandpas face, you squealed with laughter each & every time. I remember saying to Patti, that laughter is the most beautiful sound in the world, like heaven. And no one escaped your splashes that last day. I don’t know when I had seen you so happy, Tori so happy, Daniel so happy, Grandpa & me so happy, & Patti so happy. I said that day “Our lives are perfect, how lucky we were”.
And 3 days later my babies were gone. Everything I ever knew about life was erased. All the future plans your Mom & I had dreamt of for your future were gone. I will never understand this.
I know how lucky I was to have had the best daughter in the world for 22 years. I know how lucky I was when she brought you into this world. 10 months with an angel was a blessing too. But I wanted so much more time with you both. I expected it. I shouldn’t have.
I will love & miss you every day of my life. I will forever be grateful for the time I had with you. Tori I hope you know how proud I was of you, how much you were loved, and how much you will be missed. Dean you knew how much you were loved by everyone, because you were the happiest baby on earth. You were and always will be the angels of my life. Love you, Mom & Grandma Dayna Herroz (San Diego, CA )

http://www.legacy.com/SignOnSanDiego/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=18707838

My prayers go out to the friends and family of Tori and little Dean. I still cannot understand the lack of media attention in this case.
 
You have no idea how many of these I have written to you, but they never get printed, so this time I have checked the guidelines & will try to stay within them, hard as that seems to be for me.
What are the guidelines? What could she have said that wouldnt be allowed in print?
 
...It may be that she spoke generally about who she thought was responsible for this horrible crime, for instance...
 
californiacarrie said:
What are the guidelines? What could she have said that wouldnt be allowed in print?
I'm just guessing here, but I think someone else wrote that for Dayna.
 
Tom'sGirl said:
Shadow205 said:
All the future plans your Mom & I had dreamt of for your future were gone.
Dayna Herroz (San Diego, CA ) QUOTE]

When I read that the other day something struck me odd, as in the sentence above

Dayna is her mom, so why would it say your Mom & I! :confused:

She was talking to baby Dean when she wrote that line.
 
Tom'sGirl said:
Shadow205 said:
All the future plans your Mom & I had dreamt of for your future were gone.
Dayna Herroz (San Diego, CA ) QUOTE]

When I read that the other day something struck me odd, as in the sentence above

Dayna is her mom, so why would it say your Mom & I! :confused:
She's talking to the baby........
 
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Our baby girl w/ Neal at the baby shower


I still want to know who Neal is. I wonder if that is Dean's father?
 
Tom'sGirl said:
Oh, jeez, just re-read it........sorry everyone :banghead:

No biggie :) Those words stuck out to me too and I had to read it twice.
 
Shadow205 said:
I still want to know who Neal is. I wonder if that is Dean's father?
Maybe he's a friend of Daniels, or a friend of the family. From the photos, the one of her and her mother they appear to have been maybe taken at her parents place. Neal may just be one of many males who attended, dunno!
 
Tom'sGirl said:
Maybe he's a friend of Daniels, or a friend of the family. From the photos, the one of her and her mother they appear to have been maybe taken at her parents place. Neal may just be one of many males who attended, dunno!
I dont know that a "friend" would so lovingly (sp) place his hand on her tummy as he did in that pic...and they just looked so happy....?
 
That's possible Tom'sgirl. It's just looking at the picture, it seems more like a pose of the expecting parents. It really doesn't matter anyway. From what little has been published on this, LE were quick to rule out the father of Dean as a suspect.
 
Shadow205 said:
That's possible Tom'sgirl. It's just looking at the picture, it seems more like a pose of the expecting parents. It really doesn't matter anyway. From what little has been published on this, LE were quick to rule out the father of Dean as a suspect.
I agree, it looks that way, but then Tori was young, their friends are young and things can get 'silly' when the camera gets to snapping shots.

I have family in that area who have kids Tori & Daniels age, so with respect to possible family members that may be reading here I won't post some of my thoughts, BUT I'M DEFINATELY FOLLOWING THIS CASE.
 
I read some comments on Steve's blog from Tori's friends that they definitely have someone in mind that they think may have done this, the person has an alibi though.
 
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