GUILTY CA - Viola Vanclief, 2, bludgeoned to death, Los Angeles, 4 March 2010

  • #21
Don't swat your kid with a hairbrush because the child protectors will take him away from you and give him to someone who will beat him in the head with a hammer.
IMOO
Yes because we know all Foster parents are bad :innocent:
 
  • #22
Yes because we know all Foster parents are bad :innocent:

Based on the article, it appears many from this agency were. Quality of service is only as good as the quality of management. I think there are counties that are managed well & in accordance with the law, and in those counties children are safer and foster homes are correctly screened.
 
  • #23
Don't swat your kid with a hairbrush because the child protectors will take him away from you and give him to someone who will beat him in the head with a hammer.
IMOO

Ain't that the ironic truth!!
 
  • #24
There is bad parents some are foster, adoptive and biological. We don't lump all moms as bad when a mom kills their child do we? Why lump all foster parents as bad? there is many foster/adoptive parents on this very site that work hard on breaking the cycle of abuse . YES there is some BAD HORRIABLE ONES just as bad HORRIABLE biological.
 
  • #25
There is bad parents some are foster, adoptive and biological. We don't lump all moms as bad when a mom kills their child do we? Why lump all foster parents as bad? there is many foster/adoptive parents on this very site that work hard on breaking the cycle of abuse . YES there is some BAD HORRIABLE ONES just as bad HORRIABLE biological.

ITA 6angels, unfortunately there are some who feel that a biological and/or step-parent has the right to use physical punishment to discipline "their" child, whereas a foster parent should be held to a higher standard. EVERYONE should be held to the same standard - period.
Why is it so hard to just not hit a child?!!
MOO~
 
  • #26
ST PADDYS DAY

I called my Grandson Mikey. I said Hi baby Happy ST Paddy's Day did you dress all in green today like a lil leprechaun ? He said well I was dressed before but now I am in my pj's cause mommy said I was bad.Ari is riding her scooter outside.(in background I hear his egg donor say to him if your going to talk bad about me and K$$$$ then your not going to be allowed to talk to mom mom again.
I changed subject so he does get in trouble big mistake he just had gotten his second set of ear tubes put it and she of course never told his dad or me or anyone we read it on facebook.
second thing I said Mikey how are u feeling I didn t know til now honey you had tubes put in again I hope your feeling good..............He said Well when we went to wendys mommy hit me across my ear and it hurts really bad.......mom says now your punished and cant go outside tomorrow if your gonna tell on mommy,of course he started to cry tremble why mommy I'll be good.............i said mikey let me to talk to mommy he told her I wanted her she hung up the phone...............there is so much more going on I called police FBI,Dyfs child advocates They have told her keep bf away from kids she hasnt listened and I even stuck and got them on video they didnt care.This is why these things happen they do not check up un annouced when not expected or they would catch them at it.Oh did I mention Their case is a high alert case.but yet both 🤬🤬🤬 are living still with the children.Didnt mean to rant but I might make the headlines soon and this way you will understand ,just kidding but Its insane.
 
  • #27
Don't swat your kid with a hairbrush because the child protectors will take him away from you and give him to someone who will beat him in the head with a hammer.
IMOO
There is bad parents some are foster, adoptive and biological. We don't lump all moms as bad when a mom kills their child do we? Why lump all foster parents as bad? there is many foster/adoptive parents on this very site that work hard on breaking the cycle of abuse . YES there is some BAD HORRIABLE ONES just as bad HORRIABLE biological.

ITA 6angels, unfortunately there are some who feel that a biological and/or step-parent has the right to use physical punishment to discipline "their" child, whereas a foster parent should be held to a higher standard. EVERYONE should be held to the same standard - period.
Why is it so hard to just not hit a child?!!
MOO~
I don't think Chicana's point was an indictment of all foster parents (as she qualified) but the poor judgment of the people ("protectors") who remove them from their parents and place them with foster parents. I think we have all seen that the work of the "protectors" is untrustworthy. Too many stories about good parents having their kids taken away for stupid things like taking a pic of siblings in a bathtub while they continue to let slide or fail to act on cases of real abuse.

I also don't think we'd be hearing the same comments we are here if the foster mother merely spanked a child with a brush, so I don't see a real inconsistency in the standards we're holding people to.
 
  • #28
I don't think Chicana's point was an indictment of all foster parents (as she qualified) but the poor judgment of the people ("protectors") who remove them from their parents and place them with foster parents. I think we have all seen that the work of the "protectors" is untrustworthy. Too many stories about good parents having their kids taken away for stupid things like taking a pic of siblings in a bathtub while they continue to let slide or fail to act on cases of real abuse.

I also don't think we'd be hearing the same comments we are here if the foster mother merely spanked a child with a brush, so I don't see a real inconsistency in the standards we're holding people to.

And if she'd been spanked with a brush, she wouldn't be dead.
I think many have forgotten that the state isn't supposed to tell us how to raise our kids, they're only to intervene if a child is at risk of serious physical harm or death.
There are foster parents that are in it for the right reasons, and I've talked to a few. A couple here on WS in fact. They're the ones that know the kids in their care are not theirs and understand that the child is hurting and wants to go home, even if his parent did hurt him. They do what's best for the child, even when it means letting them go. They don't try to interfere with the child's relationship with their biological parent, and sometimes even advocate for that parent when they know it will benefit the child.
They don't beat them in the head with hammers.
I have no respect for the agency that placed a 2 year old with someone who abused and neglected her own children.
I think whoever was involved with with the screening of this foster mom should be criminally charged with negligence.
Enough is enough, they shouldn't be immune from prosecution. This was beyond careless.
 
  • #29
WOW. This article says she died in her crib.

In a highly publicized case, Viola Vanclief died in her crib. Her foster care mother used a hammer to try to pry the slats apart and off her head. Viola was placed by United Care, the only one of the 35 foster deaths with United.
How does that happen folks ?

But this article exposes much more.....
Since January 2008 there have been 35 children in foster care in Los Angeles County who have died of abuse or neglect. One of them was under the care of United Care Inc.
35 dead foster children in 2 years !!!

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7357460

The second comment really irritated me for some reason. It's like saying if the parents would get their acts together, kids wouldn't have to be put in taken and placed in homes where they're killed.
 
  • #30
My heart hurts......
 
  • #31
Incompetence and lack of caring has no limits.
 
  • #32
if the police really believe this is an accident then they all need to be fired.


this is idiotic
 
  • #33
if the police really believe this is an accident then they all need to be fired.


this is idiotic

Especially since being stuck in the slats or whatever isn't what killed her.
I try to be understanding, so I imagine what I would do if my kid's head got stuck in bed slats, and... nope, can't say I'd pound their head out of the slats with a hammer.
And why the heck does a state approved home have such unsafe furniture ?
 
  • #34
  • #35
pardon the term but......

'like going after a mostiqtuo with a sledgehammer'
 
  • #36
  • #37
That poor innocent little girl. 25-life doesn't seem like enough to me.
 
  • #38
That poor innocent little girl. 25-life doesn't seem like enough to me.

It never seems enough when these little darlings are taken away so cruelly, by the people who are supposed to be protecting them. It's so unfair, this sweet child never got a chance.

Trying to free her from her cot by bashing around her head with a hammer? I can think of far better ways of freeing a stuck child, and I call total BS. Glad she's been put away, but the sentence certainly doesn't reflect the horrific crime.

Another case where the system in place to protect our children has failed horribly. How was this lady allowed to be a foster parent in the first place?

Rest in peace, sweet angel Viola. :rose:
 
  • #39
The sentences these Monsters receive in a court room are never enough.Imo If you murder a child only the death penalty would be true justice. As far as CPS goes they fail our children and need to be held accountable when a child they are suppose to be protecting dies.It happens almost on a daily basis across the USA.
 

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