CA CA - Westlake Village, HispFem 18-30, UP11249, pregnant, in parking lot, Jul'80

[Friday Fan]

Alta Journal @AltaJournal


Just this week, DNA Doe Project familial genealogy research led investigator Rhods to a Texas man.

A possible second cousin once removed, he is willing to have his DNA tested if it will help Rhods inch closer to determining the identity of the other victim, known as Jane Doe Ventura County and nicknamed Lyra Jade.

Rhods believes that Lyra Jade lived in the MacArthur Park neighborhood of Los Angeles and might have met her killer at Tiny Naylor’s, the defunct drive-in that once sat at the corner of Hollywood’s Sunset Boulevard and La Brea Avenue.

“Wilson told me he met a young girl there, and I think he was telling me about Jane Doe Ventura,” Rhods told Farr.

Rhods hopes for a similar resolution to the Jane Doe Ventura County case as that of Shirley Ann Soosay’s. “This woman went missing, and for some reason no one contacted authorities. She’s lying in a cemetery here in Camarillo, and we’d like to return her to her family.”

6:09 PM · Jun 4, 2022

These are good developments.

The father of VCJD's baby lived in that neighborhood. (It's right next to and within walking distance to Koreatown. For all practical purposes, they could be the same neighborhood)


The Tiny Naylor's was located a few miles to the north. If true, VCJD would probably have needed a vehicle to get there.

 

[hafom8840]

These are good developments.

The father of VCJD's baby lived in that neighborhood. (It's right next to and within walking distance to Koreatown. For all practical purposes, they could be the same neighborhood)


The Tiny Naylor's was located a few miles to the north. If true, VCJD would probably have needed a vehicle to get there. View attachment 353547

I know this is nosy, but has the father's name been released publicly?

 

[Friday Fan]

I know this is nosy, but has the father's name been released publicly?

No

But it was noted that he lived in Koreatown

 

[Bergamasque]

I know this is nosy, but has the father's name been released publicly?

His first name is René, according to: youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2YwB-a0xY&t=1210s

 

[hafom8840]

His first name is René, according to: youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2YwB-a0xY&t=1210s

Did this Rene have an affair with VCJD or something and felt ashamed? Why were they unable to acquire useful information from him?

 

[Alleykins]

Did this Rene have an affair with VCJD or something and felt ashamed? Why were they unable to acquire useful information from him?

IIRC, he was married at the time he hooked up with VCJD, which might explain the secrecy. And if it were a hookup, he may have little information to give, plus it was so long ago, he may legitimately not remember.

 

[Susikatze]

I agree. But even with a drunk ONS or a short, steamy affair you at least remember some name. I still think he is afraid to reveal more. He legitimately only may have known her first name, though.

There is still the possibility that she may have been a working girl. But a "professional" sexworker normally takes care not to get pregnant from a client. So I believe that theory is unlikely.

So, who are you, sweetheart? We want you to have your name back and return you to your family.

 

[Hochman]

NCMEC Reconstruction

 

[Springrain]

I agree. But even with a drunk ONS or a short, steamy affair you at least remember some name. I still think he is afraid to reveal more. He legitimately only may have known her first name, though.

There is still the possibility that she may have been a working girl. But a "professional" sexworker normally takes care not to get pregnant from a client. So I believe that theory is unlikely.

So, who are you, sweetheart? We want you to have your name back and return you to your family.

I agree. I don't think she was a prostitute or probably into any type of sex work. They take a lot of cautions to not get pregnant from johns, considering it's a serious risk of the profession.

I think he's probably lying to keep it under wraps from his wife. IMO, he does likely remember her and at least a first name. If I am correct, I wish he would just come forward to LE; what's done is done; it's been 42 yrs, and her killer is behind bars, he can't be implicated in the murder. The baby's DNA matched with his, so he's obviously the father - you can't fight DNA.

He lived right by the Tiny Naylor's Chouest seems to have lured her from, so the locations check out for them meeting and hooking up with ease.

 

[cvaldez1975]

i wish hed share what he knows confidentially. but maybe he did share her first name

 

[Melt71]

I agree. But even with a drunk ONS or a short, steamy affair you at least remember some name. I still think he is afraid to reveal more. He legitimately only may have known her first name, though.

There is still the possibility that she may have been a working girl. But a "professional" sexworker normally takes care not to get pregnant from a client. So I believe that theory is unlikely.

So, who are you, sweetheart? We want you to have your name back and return you to your family.

i wish hed share what he knows confidentially. but maybe he did share her first name

Optimism, I love I! As a wild child who enjoyed several ONS and short flings in my late teens in the late 80s, I can’t recall any of their names. Longer liaisons, yes.

 

[carbuff]

Optimism, I love I! As a wild child who enjoyed several ONS and short flings in my late teens in the late 80s, I can’t recall any of their names. Longer liaisons, yes.

Heh. There was an incident involving magic mushrooms where I couldn't remember my *own* name for several hours, let alone the others involved...I can totally believe he doesn't remember, or only remembers a few superficial factoids.

 

[Springrain]

This is a little old school, but I wonder if flyers distributed around Koreatown and the area where Tiny Naylor's was could help jog the memory of longtime residents.

I have to wonder if her other child (since she had given birth at least once previously) was told (incorrectly) that their mom abandoned them. If her child is still living in the same area and knows what their mom looked like from photos or memory, maybe it could help...

Of course this is very "old school" and I trust DDP to handle it. Just some thoughts.

 

[Springrain]

Does anyone know what now is where the Tiny Naylor's was?

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Does anyone know what now is where the Tiny Naylor's was?

@Friday Fan posted a map upthread.

 

[Springrain]

@Friday Fan posted a map upthread.

WOW, I cannot believe I didn't think to look at the map that Friday Fan so kindly posted upthread. Wow! It is one of those days! Thank you, Mrs. Badcrumble, for reminding me!

 

[Springrain]

I'm making good progress on a Chouest timeline, just trying to nail down some more exact details and should hopefully be done with current info we have today. Can I just say - what a sick, vile, disgusting, foul piece of garbage. Not even going to say human because he is just not. He was abducting, robbing, and raping so many women in the summer of 1980, not to mention killing Shirley Soosay and Lyra Jade only a few days apart - and those are just the crimes we know about. We have no clue how many more victims he has, both surviving and deceased. I literally do not know how he had time to breathe with all the disgusting crimes he was committing. So glad he is ROTTING IN PRISON!!!

 

[Springrain]

Finished the Chouest timeline. If you have any recommendations or corrections to know, please let me know ASAP. Would love to have you hop over to the Chouest thread (CA - Wilson Chouest, suspected SK, known murder victims in Kern and Los Angeles Counties, 1980s).

Timeline
December 2, 1951: Born in New Orleans, Louisiana.
December 1968 - December 1970 (Age ~17-19): In U.S. Army (undisclosed location). Discharged in December 1970 for heroin addiction.
1972 (Age ~20/21): Moved to Los Angeles, California.
1972 (Age ~20/21): Arrested for and convicted of fraud (Los Angeles, California) (unknown prison). Prison sentence was suspended, and he was released on parole.
1974 - 1975 (Age ~22-25): Violated probation terms of release and was sent to unknown prison (California) for 22 months.
April 24, 1976 (Age 24): Daughter is born.
~ 1977 - 1980 (Age ~25-28): Chouest briefly is employed at an automobile junkyard in the San Fernando Valley.
October 12, 1977 (Age 25): Kidnaps and rapes 20-year-old near Topanga Mall (Canoga Park, California). The victim is driven to the Calabasas-Woodland Hills area and left to die, but survives.
October 15, 1977 (Age 25): Arrested for kidnapping and rape of Topanga Mall victim.
October 1978 (Age 26): Pleads guilty to kidnap and assault of Topanga Mall victim with a deadly weapon. Rape charged is dismissed due to a plea agreement. Sentenced to 4 years in unknown state prison.
June 15, 1980 (Age 28): Released from prison, paroled, and begins to live with a woman, CB, in Lemoore, California.
July 13/14, 1980 (Age 28): Murder of Shirley Soosay (Delano, California). Shirley Soosay is employed at an apple orchard under the name “Rebecca/Becky Ochoa”, was known to have been in the area for at least several weeks, and meets Chouest at a bar in Hanford, California. From there, she is abducted, raped, and stabbed to death by Chouest before being dumped in an almond orchard.
July 14/15/16, 1980 (Age 28): Chouest forces CB's sons to clean blood from his car, claiming he struck a deer, but confessing to one person that the blood was from Shirley Soosay (then unidentified).
July 17/18, 1980 (Age 28): Murder of the pregnant Lyra Jade (Westlake Village, California). Chouest claims she was picked up hitchhiking in Visalia, but evidence emerges showing she likely met Chouest at Tiny Naylor’s burger joint close to Koreatown (Los Angeles, California), where her baby’s father lived at the time. Lyra Jade is raped, strangled, and stabbed to death by Chouest before being dumped in the Westlake High School parking lot.
August 1980 (Age 28): Approaches a woman leaving the College of the Sequoias (Visalia, California) and threatens her with a knife, attempting to force her into his car in front of witnesses. She gives Chouest her wallet, which he uses to take her contact information and call to taunt her about taking her money.
September 16, 1980 (Age 28): Abducts at knifepoint a woman leaving a night class in the College of the Sequoias (Visalia, California), and robs and rapes her in a cornfield in rural Tulare County. When she expresses her husband would worry, Chouest apologizes and drives her back to Visalia.
September - December 1980 (Age ~28/29): Chouest is arrested and sentenced to life in prison for multiple counts of rape.
2005 (Age ~53/54): Denied parole.
2012 (Age ~60/61): DNA from Lyra Jade’s rape kit (found on her clothing and body and underneath her fingernails) matches Chouest’s DNA in the system. He is identified as a suspect in her murder.
2013 (Age ~61/62): Chouest is interviewed by investigators from the Ventura County District Attorney's Office and claims he had never met or had sex with Lyra Jade. He also denies claims made by CB's sons that he killed a woman (Shirley Soosay) and that they were forced to clean blood from his car. He provides investigators with another DNA sample.
September 30, 2015 (Age 63): While imprisoned for his life sentence, Chouest is charged with the murders of Shirley Soosay and Lyra Jade. He is ordered to serve two life sentences.
April 23, 2021 (Age 69): The Delano victim known as “Rebecca/Becky Ochoa” is identified as Shirley Soosay missing from Seattle, WA. Shirley is one of the first missing First Nations people to be identified through forensic genealogy.

 

[Springrain]

I wonder if it is possible that Chouest had previously known of her (possibly previously tried to abduct her and/or rob her) and began stalking her or harassing her before her death. I did not fully expand on this in my timeline for brevity and readability, but the August 1980 Visalia robbing victim had her contact information stolen by Chouest and he stalked her, lurked outside her home, and called to taunt her about the robbery and threaten to rape her (thank God that, as far as I can tell, that did not happen).

The way the sick describes Shirley's and Lyra Jade's murders seems so different, despite being similar and chronologically very close together, and I have to wonder if the reasoning for that was because the backgrounds were very different. While he abducted Shirley from the bar in Hanford, something makes me feel he had a different story for abducting Lyra Jade, something with more active planning. He was of course known to lurk around and find victims in various parts of California, including obviously Los Angeles county. I have to wonder if it's possible that he had previously attempted to victimize Lyra Jade and began stalking and harassing her, as he did with at least one known victim, and abducted her from the Tiny Naylor's parking lot.

I also wonder if LE has been able to reach people who were employed at Tiny Naylor's at the time and see if she herself may have been or, more likely, that she may have been a frequent or occasional visitor herself. She was a pretty lady and being possibly visibly pregnant would be likely to stand out more. I truly feel she lived in or around the Koreatown area and the right people there know her. Someone somewhere has to remember her, especially if she was living with her child(ren). I know it's such a long shot but I truly wonder if Tiny Naylor's employees from 1980 remember a pregnant woman fitting her description...

This is all speculation only and just my thoughts.

 

[Friday Fan]

I wonder if it is possible that Chouest had previously known of her (possibly previously tried to abduct her and/or rob her) and began stalking her or harassing her before her death. I did not fully expand on this in my timeline for brevity and readability, but the August 1980 Visalia robbing victim had her contact information stolen by Chouest and he stalked her, lurked outside her home, and called to taunt her about the robbery and threaten to rape her (thank God that, as far as I can tell, that did not happen).

The way the sick describes Shirley's and Lyra Jade's murders seems so different, despite being similar and chronologically very close together, and I have to wonder if the reasoning for that was because the backgrounds were very different. While he abducted Shirley from the bar in Hanford, something makes me feel he had a different story for abducting Lyra Jade, something with more active planning. He was of course known to lurk around and find victims in various parts of California, including obviously Los Angeles county. I have to wonder if it's possible that he had previously attempted to victimize Lyra Jade and began stalking and harassing her, as he did with at least one known victim, and abducted her from the Tiny Naylor's parking lot.

I also wonder if LE has been able to reach people who were employed at Tiny Naylor's at the time and see if she herself may have been or, more likely, that she may have been a frequent or occasional visitor herself. She was a pretty lady and being possibly visibly pregnant would be likely to stand out more. I truly feel she lived in or around the Koreatown area and the right people there know her. Someone somewhere has to remember her, especially if she was living with her child(ren). I know it's such a long shot but I truly wonder if Tiny Naylor's employees from 1980 remember a pregnant woman fitting her description...

This is all speculation only and just my thoughts.

I often wonder if she worked at Tiny Naylor's? From images, it appears that it was literally a carhop place like Sonic. Image is from 1974

More images: Tiny Naylors on Sunset Blvd.