CA CA - William Cierzan, 58, Santa Clarita Valley, 26 Jan 2017 #2

[neesaki]

Here is a link that states that the nephew was at the house at 1:30 PM, so far its the only article I have found to have this time. I am not sure if this is hearsay or if it is true I believe it must have been form Peck or the nephews statement.
https://signalscv.com/2017/01/27/bizarre-disappearance-william-cierzan/

Here is my original timeline as well as pieces of the PC that I found very telling. The phone call timeline is at the bottom.
I am still looking into search areas, I am not sure there is enough information to make a map that exhibits areas that have actually been searched. I am only finding where searchers met and planned to search but not sure how far and which direction they went in.

Name: William John Cierzan
Age: 58
Last heard from: January 26, 2017
Left behind keys, wallet and car, there is conflicted reports as to whether these items were found inside the car or in the house.
Blood stains found inside residence, not confirmed as WC's
Serveillance footage catches white SUV backing into residence at
around 5:06 PM and leaves approximately 6 mins later at 5:12 PM
Things that stood out: Anything in () is further information or my opinion.
A reporter is questioning Det. Ralph Hernandez (one of the lead detectives) about the nephew.
Reporter: Was WC still at the house when he (nephew) left?
Det. Hernandez: pauses for a long time before answering yes.

When speaking about the white SUV
Reporter: Are we talking about two different relatives or is this the relative that was at the house with WC?
Det. Hernandez: Yes, the vehicle is very similar to the same relative. (it is most likely the nephews car)
Reporter: The relative that was at the house earlier, I read that they were watching sports, did they get into some kind of argument?
Det. Hernandez: We dont know what there interaction for the course of the day. (seems odd if in fact the nephew was questioned. He could be saying this because he does not want to state what their interaction was or do they
really not know?)

Timeframe:
Det. Hernandez: The window that we are looking for is right about 4 PM to just after 7 PM (this makes me believe
there was no 5 PM call, just the one that took place slightly after 4 PM, which seems to have been from WC to Linda,
a 6 PM call from Linda to WC where WC does not answer and then Linda arrives home just after 7 PM and WC is not there. The phone calls were made to and from his cell phone not a house phone, both Det. Hernandez and Linda seem very convinced he was at home during this time and not elsewhere, despite being on his cell phone)

Linda answers questions about WC that day
Reporter: Did you know the relative was over that day?
Linda: I didnt even know he was over that day, he (WC) hadnt mentioned him at all.
Reporter: Does he (nephew) come over frequently? Do they have a good relationship?
Linda: I thought so... I mean yea hes been over quite a few times. (Lindas demeanor during the response to this question makes her seem suspicious of the nephew, like she now has her doubts about how good their relationship really was)

Det. Hernandez answers a few more questions
Reporter: ... so he's (nephew) cooporating? (when this is asked, Linda is standing behind Det. Hernandez and she shakes her head no and lowers it)
Det. Hernandez: He uhh, he has provided a statement. (Body language says it all, I believe both Det. and Linda are very suspicious of nephew)


Timeline: Other than the 1:30 time, all other times are verified by PC
1:30 PM - I found one article where a 1:30 time is mentioned as to when the nephew was there watching golf.
I believe if this is more than hearsay that this time must have been mentioned by the nephew in his statement given to LE because Linda did not even know the nephew was there and therefore had no idea when he arrived or left.
4 PM - WC calls Linda
5:06 PM - SUV backs into driveway and leaves approx. 6 minutes later
6 PM - Linda calls WC and he does not answer
7 PM - Linda arrives home and WC is gone

Had to go find your timeline, very helpful, thank you !

 

[xmsmadex]

Im so glad!

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[SmartSassyBBW]

Early on I looked on FB for similar names and found the nephews page. Let's just say I didn't have a good feeling.
I also have felt that if the nephew was there Will probably would have told Linda. However since the nephews FB page gives me the creeps maybe Linda wasn't keen on him coming over and Will purposely didn't mention it. I've been confused as to why we are lead to believe that no one came to the house all day per the neighbor's auspiciously placed video camera.
Also, if the camera caught the SUV backing into the driveway why can't it see if the garage door was open or not and who came and went?


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[LietKynes]

Early on I looked on FB for similar names and found the nephews page. Let's just say I didn't have a good feeling.
I also have felt that if the nephew was there Will probably would have told Linda. However since the nephews FB page gives me the creeps maybe Linda wasn't keen on him coming over and Will purposely didn't mention it. I've been confused as to why we are lead to believe that no one came to the house all day per the neighbor's auspiciously placed video camera.
Also, if the camera caught the SUV backing into the driveway why can't it see if the garage door was open or not and who came and went?


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SABBM

Good points.

As far as the sec. cams --- maybe there's MORE footage that hasn't been released ; because LE is building their case ?
Hope that's what's happening.

 

[roguelady]

We watched the Master's golf tournament today and I thought of Will and how he most likely would have been enjoying the golf with a brewski and his wife and just relaxing on a Sunday - It makes me sad to think of him today. I truly hope that justice prevails. Will needs to come back home.

 

[Dushi]

Great to see you here Neesaki, its been a long time!
We need fresh eyes.
We have stuck by Will, we all want him home
It is a frustrating case and we know very little.

I am out of the country as of tomorrow for one week
I do hope that there is good news when i get back :gaah:

 

[neesaki]

Great to see you here Neesaki, its been a long time!
We need fresh eyes.
We have stuck by Will, we all want him home
It is a frustrating case and we know very little.

I am out of the country as of tomorrow for one week
I do hope that there is good news when i get back :gaah:

Thank you, it has been a while! I came across this case just briefly a while back then lost it somehow, very mysterious and very troubling, and yes, frustrating with so little information. Praying that Will is found soon.

 

[Razz]

Has anyone heard anything from Mad Scientist? I know he's been told not to say much but gee, maybe a little something?

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[TheMadScientist]

Thank You to all for talking about Will.....Those of us that continue to push on will be friends for life...This group is like the closest "Armed Forces members" in the same BATTALION. But I've learned even more now why I was asked to stop posting the simplest of footsteps....we have had the bad guys trying to send information back to those that are responsible for Will's missing...I can't make this stuff up. At the end of 1 days search, 7 or 8 still went to city council, 2 giving 3 minute informational speeches critical to bringing attention to Linda Cierzan's agony with her & sister in attendance. 1 searcher single-handedly got the proposed $5K reward raised to $10K by unanimous vote.

Let me give just parts of 2 consecutive days in my life...1 day I go to a location that I had reason to think needed to be cleared while others were elsewhere, I start up this vehicle road and millions of what looked like meat eating bees that were larger than honey bees and smaller than bumble bees started swarming me but not attacking me YET. I calmly returned to my car and was safe. The very next day, I did not join my fellow searchers in a timely manner, went to the canyon with windy road planned to be searched and if I was 7 minutes earlier, 2 drug punks rolled their Toyota truck onto my starting point. 2 sheriff's needing to get up canyon to a swat operation were 30 seconds from being wiped out by these 2 losers. Shortly thereafter, the remaining 3 searchers in this group saw me, the cops, lights flashing and hearing sirens coming up behind them....and they all had an emotional breakdown seeing me and thinking I had found Will. Within the next hour, one of our searchers came within 1 foot of stepping on 3 rattlesnakes, 1 of which was choking down a gopher snake & I could not have gotten her out and to the hospital in time.

Yes, we are alive....the other stories, I'd just be accused of fabricating a story. Keep talking about WILL.

 

[SmartSassyBBW]

I stopped today to photograph the lot behind Will's house. As I stated before this used to be a gas station. Wills house is in the top right corner of the picture on the right. There is a block wall topped by a wood fence. The construction chain link fence around the lot is really tall. I'm 5'4" and you can see that it towers above me.

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[Razz]

Thank You to all for talking about Will.....Those of us that continue to push on will be friends for life...This group is like the closest "Armed Forces members" in the same BATTALION. But I've learned even more now why I was asked to stop posting the simplest of footsteps....we have had the bad guys trying to send information back to those that are responsible for Will's missing...I can't make this stuff up. At the end of 1 days search, 7 or 8 still went to city council, 2 giving 3 minute informational speeches critical to bringing attention to Linda Cierzan's agony with her & sister in attendance. 1 searcher single-handedly got the proposed $5K reward raised to $10K by unanimous vote.

Let me give just parts of 2 consecutive days in my life...1 day I go to a location that I had reason to think needed to be cleared while others were elsewhere, I start up this vehicle road and millions of what looked like meat eating bees that were larger than honey bees and smaller than bumble bees started swarming me but not attacking me YET. I calmly returned to my car and was safe. The very next day, I did not join my fellow searchers in a timely manner, went to the canyon with windy road planned to be searched and if I was 7 minutes earlier, 2 drug punks rolled their Toyota truck onto my starting point. 2 sheriff's needing to get up canyon to a swat operation were 30 seconds from being wiped out by these 2 losers. Shortly thereafter, the remaining 3 searchers in this group saw me, the cops, lights flashing and hearing sirens coming up behind them....and they all had an emotional breakdown seeing me and thinking I had found Will. Within the next hour, one of our searchers came within 1 foot of stepping on 3 rattlesnakes, 1 of which was choking down a gopher snake & I could not have gotten her out and to the hospital in time.

Yes, we are alive....the other stories, I'd just be accused of fabricating a story. Keep talking about WILL.

Hmmm...intertesting...bad guys (plural) telling other bad guys (the ones who did something to WC)
your movements.

Also, those bees? I think you're lucky you got away without a bite.
They probably love the stuff you put in your hair. =:-0

Thanks for the update. Good to hear from you. Stay safe. It seems
Trouble follows you around!

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[LisaWL7TR]

Thank You to all for talking about Will.....Those of us that continue to push on will be friends for life...This group is like the closest "Armed Forces members" in the same BATTALION. But I've learned even more now why I was asked to stop posting the simplest of footsteps....we have had the bad guys trying to send information back to those that are responsible for Will's missing...I can't make this stuff up. At the end of 1 days search, 7 or 8 still went to city council, 2 giving 3 minute informational speeches critical to bringing attention to Linda Cierzan's agony with her & sister in attendance. 1 searcher single-handedly got the proposed $5K reward raised to $10K by unanimous vote.

Let me give just parts of 2 consecutive days in my life...1 day I go to a location that I had reason to think needed to be cleared while others were elsewhere, I start up this vehicle road and millions of what looked like meat eating bees that were larger than honey bees and smaller than bumble bees started swarming me but not attacking me YET. I calmly returned to my car and was safe. The very next day, I did not join my fellow searchers in a timely manner, went to the canyon with windy road planned to be searched and if I was 7 minutes earlier, 2 drug punks rolled their Toyota truck onto my starting point. 2 sheriff's needing to get up canyon to a swat operation were 30 seconds from being wiped out by these 2 losers. Shortly thereafter, the remaining 3 searchers in this group saw me, the cops, lights flashing and hearing sirens coming up behind them....and they all had an emotional breakdown seeing me and thinking I had found Will. Within the next hour, one of our searchers came within 1 foot of stepping on 3 rattlesnakes, 1 of which was choking down a gopher snake & I could not have gotten her out and to the hospital in time.

Yes, we are alive....the other stories, I'd just be accused of fabricating a story. Keep talking about WILL.

Waving to tms : )

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Thank You to all for talking about Will.....Those of us that continue to push on will be friends for life...This group is like the closest "Armed Forces members" in the same BATTALION. But I've learned even more now why I was asked to stop posting the simplest of footsteps....we have had the bad guys trying to send information back to those that are responsible for Will's missing...I can't make this stuff up. At the end of 1 days search, 7 or 8 still went to city council, 2 giving 3 minute informational speeches critical to bringing attention to Linda Cierzan's agony with her & sister in attendance. 1 searcher single-handedly got the proposed $5K reward raised to $10K by unanimous vote.

Let me give just parts of 2 consecutive days in my life...1 day I go to a location that I had reason to think needed to be cleared while others were elsewhere, I start up this vehicle road and millions of what looked like meat eating bees that were larger than honey bees and smaller than bumble bees started swarming me but not attacking me YET. I calmly returned to my car and was safe. The very next day, I did not join my fellow searchers in a timely manner, went to the canyon with windy road planned to be searched and if I was 7 minutes earlier, 2 drug punks rolled their Toyota truck onto my starting point. 2 sheriff's needing to get up canyon to a swat operation were 30 seconds from being wiped out by these 2 losers. Shortly thereafter, the remaining 3 searchers in this group saw me, the cops, lights flashing and hearing sirens coming up behind them....and they all had an emotional breakdown seeing me and thinking I had found Will. Within the next hour, one of our searchers came within 1 foot of stepping on 3 rattlesnakes, 1 of which was choking down a gopher snake & I could not have gotten her out and to the hospital in time.

Yes, we are alive....the other stories, I'd just be accused of fabricating a story. Keep talking about WILL.

Thanks for the update and good to hear from you! What a scary and nerve racking search you all have undertaken. Be careful, stay safe and god bless.

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[Spartygirl]

Thank You to all for talking about Will.....Those of us that continue to push on will be friends for life...This group is like the closest "Armed Forces members" in the same BATTALION. But I've learned even more now why I was asked to stop posting the simplest of footsteps....we have had the bad guys trying to send information back to those that are responsible for Will's missing...I can't make this stuff up. At the end of 1 days search, 7 or 8 still went to city council, 2 giving 3 minute informational speeches critical to bringing attention to Linda Cierzan's agony with her & sister in attendance. 1 searcher single-handedly got the proposed $5K reward raised to $10K by unanimous vote.

Let me give just parts of 2 consecutive days in my life...1 day I go to a location that I had reason to think needed to be cleared while others were elsewhere, I start up this vehicle road and millions of what looked like meat eating bees that were larger than honey bees and smaller than bumble bees started swarming me but not attacking me YET. I calmly returned to my car and was safe. The very next day, I did not join my fellow searchers in a timely manner, went to the canyon with windy road planned to be searched and if I was 7 minutes earlier, 2 drug punks rolled their Toyota truck onto my starting point. 2 sheriff's needing to get up canyon to a swat operation were 30 seconds from being wiped out by these 2 losers. Shortly thereafter, the remaining 3 searchers in this group saw me, the cops, lights flashing and hearing sirens coming up behind them....and they all had an emotional breakdown seeing me and thinking I had found Will. Within the next hour, one of our searchers came within 1 foot of stepping on 3 rattlesnakes, 1 of which was choking down a gopher snake & I could not have gotten her out and to the hospital in time.

Yes, we are alive....the other stories, I'd just be accused of fabricating a story. Keep talking about WILL.

Hello stranger !! Good to hear from you ...Thanks for the update and please stay safe !!

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[Crazyjster]

Thank You to all for talking about Will.....Those of us that continue to push on will be friends for life...This group is like the closest "Armed Forces members" in the same BATTALION. But I've learned even more now why I was asked to stop posting the simplest of footsteps....we have had the bad guys trying to send information back to those that are responsible for Will's missing...I can't make this stuff up. At the end of 1 days search, 7 or 8 still went to city council, 2 giving 3 minute informational speeches critical to bringing attention to Linda Cierzan's agony with her & sister in attendance. 1 searcher single-handedly got the proposed $5K reward raised to $10K by unanimous vote.

Let me give just parts of 2 consecutive days in my life...1 day I go to a location that I had reason to think needed to be cleared while others were elsewhere, I start up this vehicle road and millions of what looked like meat eating bees that were larger than honey bees and smaller than bumble bees started swarming me but not attacking me YET. I calmly returned to my car and was safe. The very next day, I did not join my fellow searchers in a timely manner, went to the canyon with windy road planned to be searched and if I was 7 minutes earlier, 2 drug punks rolled their Toyota truck onto my starting point. 2 sheriff's needing to get up canyon to a swat operation were 30 seconds from being wiped out by these 2 losers. Shortly thereafter, the remaining 3 searchers in this group saw me, the cops, lights flashing and hearing sirens coming up behind them....and they all had an emotional breakdown seeing me and thinking I had found Will. Within the next hour, one of our searchers came within 1 foot of stepping on 3 rattlesnakes, 1 of which was choking down a gopher snake & I could not have gotten her out and to the hospital in time.

Yes, we are alive....the other stories, I'd just be accused of fabricating a story. Keep talking about WILL.

Thank you for all of the work you continue to do! Please stay safe!

 

[Razz]

I was going through my feed and I noticed a very clear picture of the rear end of a white SUV on this case. I can even read the plates. Where did this photo come from and is it the SUV in question?!

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[sassyblue]

I was going through my feed and I noticed a very clear picture of the rear end of a white SUV on this case. I can even read the plates. Where did this photo come from and is it the SUV in question?!

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Is the picture on this thread?

Edited to add I found it at Post #375. No it's not the SUV in question. It was posted in response to trying to determine the make and model of the SUV seen backing into Will's driveway. It is thought that the SUV at Will's house was possibly an older model Toyoto Forerunner.

 

[neesaki]

I didn't remember seeing this article here. It is a few weeks old but about the use of search dogs so thought it might be of interest. Apologies if already posted.

https://signalscv.com/2017/03/26/mans-best-friend-joins-search-will-cierzan/

[FONT=&amp]Multiple volunteers with SCV Emergency Now, as well as the Angeles Off-Road Search and Recovery Team, have been looking for Cierzan for the past six weeks.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]On Saturday, volunteers from Search Dogs 24/7 joined the search party and checked various spots along San Francisquito Canyon Road and other nearby areas.[/FONT]

 

[sassyblue]

I have a question for The Mad Scientist. It was asked that someone make a map showing all the locations you mentioned earlier while searching on your own. I started working on one but stopped because you seem to be worried about someone knowing where you and others are presently searching. So I was worried that maybe it wasn't a good idea to map all the previously searched sites that were mentioned and put it on the thread since you seem concerned that others read here with a personal stake in this case.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

I didn't remember seeing this article here. It is a few weeks old but about the use of search dogs so thought it might be of interest. Apologies if already posted.

https://signalscv.com/2017/03/26/mans-best-friend-joins-search-will-cierzan/

I had not seen this article. It's encouraging to know that outside search groups have joined the effort to find Will. Thanks for posting!

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