California WildFires 2017

  • #81
Obviously people's actual lives are more important than the loss of 'stuff', but we also have to remember that many of these wineries have been in the family for generations, and probably most of their wealth and futures were in these wineries. Not to mention many of these wineries weren't just business, they WERE where these people lived. I also think the loss of taxes from these businesses will make it very difficult for government to assist in rebuilding. Plus a lot of the people in the area make their money, have jobs, because of tourism due to the wine business. It's all entwined. The loss of people's lives is wholly more important and devastating, and the fact that there are hundreds missing is terrifying, but lets not dismiss the loss of the wineries as insignificant to the future of this community.
 
  • #82
http://www.latimes.com/local/califo...re-mostly-contained-1507827106-htmlstory.html
At least 23 people have died in Northern California fires that continue to ravage multiple counties, while the Anaheim Hills fire in Southern California has scorched between 5,000 to 6,000 acres.

Fire officials reported 23 fire-related deaths as of Thursday morning. Thirteen people died in Sonoma County, six in Mendocino County, two in Napa County and two in Yuba County. Local hospitals are treating others for injuries.

At least 3,500 structures have been destroyed in more than 15 Northern California fires, covering collectively more than 160,000 acres.

Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency for Napa, Sonoma and Yuba counties.

The Canyon 2 fire in Anaheim Hills has burned 9,200 acres, destroyed or damaged about 60 structures and injured one person. It was 60% contained as of Thursday morning and all evacuation orders were lifted.
Also, I haven't seen it in writing, but on the radio they are saying now over 500 people are reported missing.
 
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  • #84
I couldn't see the video, but I do have a thought about the article. Why would the mail man deliver mail if their are no homes there? What if looters get in and steal the mail and now the victims of the fire now have to deal with identity theft? Weird.
A drone captured an otherworldly sight in Santa Rosa, California – a U.S. Postal worker dutifully delivering mail to addresses where only charred foundations remain after a fast-moving fire ripped through the neighborhood.

According to The Mercury News, aerial photographer Douglas Thron was shooting video of Coffey Park, a neighborhood devastated by the recent fires, when he noticed the clean, white USPS truck.

“It was a trippy thing – he was actually delivering the mail,” Thron told the paper. “I was shocked to see him because most of the roads were blocked off, but he obviously had access.”

Thron, who was reportedly shooting for NBC’s “Today” show and has covered other natural disasters, said he couldn’t believe what he was seeing, considering the extent of the damage.

“I did a double take,” Thron told SFGATE “I watched him go to a half dozen mailboxes … It was like I was seeing something he wasn’t seeing.”
 
  • #85
Some images: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...e-USPS-mail-truck-12271107.php#photo-14327546
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HIlton Hotel. A WHOLE Hotel.
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  • #88
I couldn't see the video, but I do have a thought about the article. Why would the mail man deliver mail if their are no homes there? What if looters get in and steal the mail and now the victims of the fire now have to deal with identity theft? Weird.

Re: The mail man. USPS replied to this video and said that some residents who were returning to get personal items requested that they deliver the mail. Easier for the residents to do that than have to get to the post office.
 
  • #89
Willits CA is safe, at least for now.

Our power never went off, though we lost our natural gas, cell phone, and internet. Our phones and internet have come back online. The library has served as a communications node, as it maintained wifi when other internet was down.

The Redwood Valley fire itself is to our southeast. If it burns up this way, it will come over Pine Mountain, south of town. As extensive woods do not extend into the Little Lake Valley, the open pastures should serve as a fire break for most of town. Unfortunately, our hospital is on the south end of town and may be at risk.

So, me and mine are a bit uncomfortable, but in no real danger. We are packed for evacuation, as a precaution. We are hunkered down, cooking on a microwave and conserving our warmth. Luckily, this is a moderate climate. If only other fire victims could be so fortunate....
 
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  • #91
These fires, like the recent hurricanes, show just how important it is to have a grab bag or box of the really crucial stuff that you can just pick up and run with at a moment's notice. Whether it's hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, wild fires, volcanoes or whathaveyou.
 
  • #92
Per KCRA http://www.kcra.com/article/point-sur-lighthouse-one-of-america-s-most-haunted-lighthouses/12836210:

SANTA ROSA, Calif. (SF Gate) — In the confusion surrounding the wildfires devastating Wine Country, rumors are rife. Some areas remain inaccessible and without power and cell phone service, contributing to the spread of misinformation on social media.
Here are some of the more notorious rumors that have circulated:

1) Evacuation centers checking immigration status
Shelters are asking for names to identify who was coming in, not to check immigration status, Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano said at a press conference Wednesday.
"There's a rumor out there that people are checking immigration status in shelters and that is not true." he told residents. "Immigration status will never be asked of you."

2) Wineries "lost" in the flames
Chateau St. Jean, Kunde, William Hill Estate and Stag's Leap were all reported to have been destroyed.
In fact, Chateau St. Jean suffered only limited damage. William Hill reported that its damage was minimal and cosmetic. A photo of a singed sign at the winery no doubt fanned the rumors.
A historic outer building was lost at Stag's Leap, but the winery was intact.
Kunde Winery in Kenwood was not harmed, despite reports to the contrary.
Several wineries, however, did burn. A list can be found here.
3) False-alarm evacuations
Evacuations reported at the following locations did not actually happen:

  • Howard Hospital in Mendocino.
  • The town of Willits.
  • The town of Yountville. But the Yountville veterans home, one of the largest veterans homes in the country, was briefly evacuated until the fire danger passed.
  • The entire city of Fairfield.
4) Still standing despite what you may have heard
Despite early pronouncements of its demise, Kaiser Santa Rosa medical center did not burn. However, it did evacuate patients and staff due to the fire danger.
Tweets and some news reports also claimed that Kohl's department store and Trader Joe's in Santa Rosa had been destroyed. While restaurants in the Kohl's shopping center did in fact burn to the ground, we have been unable to confirm that the department store suffered the same fate.

Trader Joe's did suffer major damage, but was not "gone" as some on Twitter asserted.

5) Widespread looting?
Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman confirmed that only one looter was arrested as of Tuesday afternoon, following false reports that many thefts have been committed during the Mendocino Lake Complex Fire, according to the Ukiah Daily Journal.
Meanwhile, the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office was embarrassed after it shared a call to action from a tipster on its Facebook page Tuesday:
"Okay, Sonoma County, let's catch this crook. This truck is a suspect in a potential attempted looting in the Bennett Valley area," read the post, alongside a picture of a black pickup truck and a phone number to call.
The "suspect" turned out to be someone "assisting his friend in a time of crisis," according to a revised Facebook post by the sheriff's department, which apologized for the false alarm. The post circulated for about an hour online before being taken down.

6) Petaluma police seeking volunteers?
The Petaluma Police Department reported its communication center has been swamped with calls from wannabe volunteers. It gave this statement:
"The Petaluma PD dispatch communication center is being inundated with calls from volunteers wanting to assist in our dispatch center. There are unconfirmed reports that information online is indicating Petaluma PD is requesting assistance in our dispatch center and this information is inaccurate. No assistance has been requested and no assistance is needed."

7) Giraffes on the loose?
Safari West denied rumors that the wildlife attraction had burned down or that animals were released from their enclosures.

8) PG&E somehow at fault?
Investigators were looking into reports that strong winds knocked down numerous Pacific Gas and Electric Co. power lines between 9:20 p.m. and 10 p.m. on Sunday night, about the time the fires broke out in Napa and Sonoma counties, officials said.
The Chronicle reported that Cal Fire officials said it will take time to determine the cause and noted that arson or accidental factors can't be ruled out. But reports linking PG&E to the fires spawned a flurry of tweets suggesting that the utility may have something to do with starting one of the most destructive wildfire disasters in state history.

The cause remains under investigation by state fire officials, and there is as yet no evidence that PG&E was responsible.
 
  • #93
Obviously people's actual lives are more important than the loss of 'stuff', but we also have to remember that many of these wineries have been in the family for generations, and probably most of their wealth and futures were in these wineries. Not to mention many of these wineries weren't just business, they WERE where these people lived. I also think the loss of taxes from these businesses will make it very difficult for government to assist in rebuilding. Plus a lot of the people in the area make their money, have jobs, because of tourism due to the wine business. It's all entwined. The loss of people's lives is wholly more important and devastating, and the fact that there are hundreds missing is terrifying, but lets not dismiss the loss of the wineries as insignificant to the future of this community.
BBM

I LOVE the wineries! No one is dismissing the wineries as insignificant to the future of the area. Their loss is tragic and has major ramifications for the entire area, not just economically. But in this frightening moment, it just seems appropriate to focus mainly on the individual people affected, whether they were involved with wineries or not. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. I really think we’re all on the same page here. :)
JMO
 
  • #94
I saw that Canine Companions for Independence evacuated their headquarters in Santa Rosa, just for the fact that they have a lot of dogs and didn't want to worry about having to suddenly evacuate if they got that order. My friend works at a dog training facility in SR and said the fire is 'a few miles' away when I first asked. Now I'm really worried for her with how quickly this seems to overtake and the fact that there are a lot of dogs they might have to get out. A few miles doesn't seem far at all.

I wonder if more firefighters are coming in to try and help. I think too people need to get out so FFs aren't as focused on saving them and can be more focused on fighting the fire. In my head, though, I know that's probably easier said than done. I just want them to start getting this detained, as I'm sure they do.

I hope your friend get himself and his dogs out soon. I agree with the thinking that LE needs to be able to focus on fighting the fire. Hopefully people choose safety over using their garden hose to fight this monster of a fire!
 
  • #95
Sending my thoughts to all who are impacted. I am originally from this region, moved away just 2 years ago. So I know so many of the places that have burned to the ground. An absolutely beautiful corner of the earth. So very sad, and hurting for all who live there. I can't believe the number of deaths already being reported. :(
My sweetheart is there this week, was supposed to be going to a wedding Saturday, but the venue burned down, so that was cancelled. He still went to help friends who are being impacted. The person who was getting married lived out in Redwood Valley, near the Frey Ranch (the wedding venue that burned). They are going out today to see if anything is left of his house...
Hoping all who have animals are able to either bring them with, or find them safe afterwards. I have a horse, so that's always my first thought.
 
  • #96
Obviously people's actual lives are more important than the loss of 'stuff', but we also have to remember that many of these wineries have been in the family for generations, and probably most of their wealth and futures were in these wineries. Not to mention many of these wineries weren't just business, they WERE where these people lived. I also think the loss of taxes from these businesses will make it very difficult for government to assist in rebuilding. Plus a lot of the people in the area make their money, have jobs, because of tourism due to the wine business. It's all entwined. The loss of people's lives is wholly more important and devastating, and the fact that there are hundreds missing is terrifying, but lets not dismiss the loss of the wineries as insignificant to the future of this community.

While wineries aren't the main concern, it's important to remember that an estimated 100,000 jobs may be lost due to the destroyed wineries and many of the people who work at these wineries also live in the area. Imagine losing everything you own and your job as well. It's just horrible.
 
  • #97
georgiajean, I hope your sweetheart and all of his friends can find some bits of positive news in this tragedy.
 
  • #98
Willits CA is safe, at least for now.

Our power never went off, though we lost our natural gas, cell phone, and internet. Our phones and internet have come back online. The library has served as a communications node, as it maintained wifi when other internet was down.

The Redwood Valley fire itself is to our southeast. If it burns up this way, it will come over Pine Mountain, south of town. As extensive woods do not extend into the Little Lake Valley, the open pastures should serve as a fire break for most of town. Unfortunately, our hospital is on the south end of town and may be at risk.

So, me and mine are a bit uncomfortable, but in no real danger. We are packed for evacuation, as a precaution. We are hunkered down, cooking on a microwave and conserving our warmth. Luckily, this is a moderate climate. If only other fire victims could be so fortunate....

Thank you so much for updating us on your situation. I'm glad you and yours are safe. Please get out if you think it's getting dangerous. Many prayers.
 
  • #99
These fires, like the recent hurricanes, show just how important it is to have a grab bag or box of the really crucial stuff that you can just pick up and run with at a moment's notice. Whether it's hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, wild fires, volcanoes or whathaveyou.

This can't be stressed enough! ^^^^^
 
  • #100
As weary fire crews began to make progress against a firestorm that has killed at least 24 people in Northern California’s wine country, local officials said Thursday that they have begun a grim search for more bodies amid the ashes of burned communities.

At a morning news conference, Sonoma County Sheriff Robert Giordano told reporters that a 14th person was found dead in his county as search crews and cadaver dogs began sifting through debris for the first time Thursday.

The searches can take hours, and identification will be difficult, Giordano said at the briefing.

“So far, in the recoveries, we have found bodies that were almost completely intact and bodies that were nothing more than ash and bone,” he said, noting that in the latter cases, sometimes the only way to identify someone is through a medical device, like a metal hip replacement, that has an ID number.

“We will do everything in our power to locate all the missing persons, and I promise you we will handle the remains with care and get them returned to their loved ones,” Giordano said.

Asked whether he expected the death toll to rise, Giordano said, “I’d be unrealistic if I didn’t.”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-northern-california-firestorms-20171012-story.html
 

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