Calling the friends over?

[calicocat]

Does anyone know if the friends were actually telephoned to come over that morning or if it's possible they were already there from the night before? Were the Ramsey friends' DNA tested as well? I still believe in the RDI theory, but can't stomach the thought that they would have brutally murdered their daughter that way. I just wonder if the Ramsey's and their friends weren't into some kind of sexual cult/club thing, and that Christmas night happened to be JonBenet's turn. I remember reading that she was afraid of people being dressed in black robes:

http://www.stewwebb.com/jonbenet_ramsey_murder_investigator_speaks_out.htm

11) Beginning app. two weeks before her murder, JonBenet began to talk - talk about scary people in long, black robes who gathered around her and stuck 'things' into her private place - things that hurt her. She also spoke vaguely of darkness around her and the possible use of candles. Several of the Ramsey's friends, friends from their Church, the Whites and the Fernie's as well as others, heard this as well as several of her teachers and questioned her about it. After JonBenet's murder they went to the Police with the information but apparently due to the DA, nothing ever came of it. The friends from the Church abruptly ended their relationship(s) with the Ramsey's and several of them openly stated they thought them guilty of murdering their daughter.

 

[BBB167893]

So I'm sure the R's would incriminate themselves by including inside family jokes on their RN which is to provide proof of a stranger/intruder.

If they had someone in mind to frame, I think they would.

More likely it was just a slip up by someone whose mind was on auto-pilot.

SD, do real criminals know what real crime scenes look like or do they just leave them that way?

I don't think you get what I mean: a real criminal has a purpose. They do what they came to do. So, I guess the "leave them that way" comment is the right one.

 

[4sure]

I don't think you get what I mean: a real criminal has a purpose. They do what they came to do. So, I guess the "leave them that way" comment is the right one.

And in this case may of just done that.

Frame JR for the molestation and murder of his daughter.

 

[LinasK]

And in this case may of just done that.

Frame JR for the molestation and murder of his daughter.

For what purpose??? That's like Scott Peterson claiming he was framed! :doh: Who wanted to frame a fertilizer salesman?:waitasec:

 

[Show Me]

And in this case may of just done that.

Frame JR for the molestation and murder of his daughter.

So why leave a ransom note and take the blame in the form of foreign faction people?

 

[BBB167893]

Looks like LinasK and Show Me beat me to the punch!

 

[Show Me]

Looks like LinasK and Show Me beat me to the punch!

Ba da ching!!!!

 

[4sure]

So why leave a ransom note and take the blame in the form of foreign faction people?

The first thing that comes to mind is a RN from a foreign faction will bring the FBI. If the others involved are "well placed people" than the FBI would offer them a chance to control the situation.

 

[kaykay]

Thank You SallyLu.
kaykay

 

[Rupert]

Kaykay, I'm sorry for your loss of your loved one.


Rashomon, thankyou for the link to Patsy's handwriting and the ransom note. Powerful stuff! I actually felt my heart race while looking over the comparables. There's no denying that Patsy was the author of the note - if you can call it a note. I like the term the War and Peace of ransom notes.

I give. I wish it were not true, but seeing the handwriting comparisons again makes it so obvious that Patsy wrote the note. I guess Foster figured that out. And, I just don't think anyone could imitate her writing so well. Thanks, Rashomon. Now the mystery is why.

The note repeatedly warned them not to contact anyone and yet they did the exact opposite. At first glance that would seem to distance them from the RN. They obviously called the friends over to muss up the evidence. That is also clearly consistent with the real purpose of the RN.

If my daughter were kidnapped, I would be very careful not to alarm the kidnapper.

Rupert

 

[Show Me]

The first thing that comes to mind is a RN from a foreign faction will bring the FBI. If the others involved are "well placed people" than the FBI would offer them a chance to control the situation.

I'm sorry but I don't understand your point 4sure.

If the FBI had found JonBenet's body they'd be more likely to believe a kidnapping foreign faction, and not a Ramsey, molested JonBenet, killed her, wrote a ransom note (cause the faction forgot to bring along a ransom note and the murder weapons and had to use the Ramsey stuff) and then forget to take the body is more plausible?

 

[4sure]

I'm sorry but I don't understand your point 4sure.

If the FBI had found JonBenet's body they'd be more likely to believe a kidnapping foreign faction, and not a Ramsey, molested JonBenet, killed her, wrote a ransom note (cause the faction forgot to bring along a ransom note and the murder weapons and had to use the Ramsey stuff) and then forget to take the body is more plausible?

No, the FBI must be there because the political powers that are involved have control of the FBI and maybe hold not much influence over the police. The FBI will be there to insure the plan go's along and the heat is on the R's. Which by all accounts they did. Agian please remember my opinion is not that the R's are innocent as much as they are caught up in something much larger.

 

[Show Me]

No, the FBI must be there because the political powers that are involved have control of the FBI and maybe hold not much influence over the police. The FBI will be there to insure the plan go's along and the heat is on the R's. Which by all accounts they did. Agian please remember my opinion is not that the R's are innocent as much as they are caught up in something much larger.

Why would the FBI want to frame the Ramseys by killing an innocent 6 year old child? If a political party hated John and Patsy why kill a baby? Why not kill John and Patsy?

 

[Eagle1]

Me too, Amen. And the next question is also a good one, why would they kill a child instead of the adults? I think there's an answer, that we just wouldn't ever think of. Some strange twist, not necessarily FBI.

The INTERNATIONAL sex ring that reportedly had been busted in Boulder earlier is much, much bigger than John and Patsy, impossible to ignore. They couldn't have gotten all of them.

 

[4sure]

Why would the FBI want to frame the Ramseys by killing an innocent 6 year old child? If a political party hated John and Patsy why kill a baby? Why not kill John and Patsy?

Its not about hating John and Patsy its about money, child sex rings, and political cover ups like this.Conspiracy of Silence mp4

 

[Show Me]

Its not about hating John and Patsy its about money, child sex rings, and political cover ups like this.Conspiracy of Silence mp4

So when did the international sex ring molest JonBenet prior to the day of the murder? Did they do it at school? The pageants? At the dance lessons? Wardrobe fittings? Sneak into the Ramseys house several nights previously and do it without JB waking up?

I don't get the child sex ring angle....can you explain your theory? Beyond a child sex ring cover up. How John and Patsy became involved and why they let a sex ring molest and murder their daughter?

 

[Show Me]

So when did the international sex ring molest JonBenet prior to the day of the murder? Did they do it at school? The pageants? At the dance lessons? Wardrobe fittings? Sneak into the Ramseys house several nights previously and do it without JB waking up?

I don't get the child sex ring angle....can you explain your theory? Beyond a child sex ring cover up. How John and Patsy became involved and why they let a sex ring molest and murder their daughter?

Why is it whenever I ask a Ramsey supporter to explain their position....poof they disappear?


Is it me or the questions?

 

[Eagle1]

I would agree that Patsy seems to be a hard women to like. I do realize that many people are convinced of her guilt. I also suspect that someone may have wanted it to look that way. I wish I could be as sure as you.

You're admirably trying to be perfectly fair, 4sure, the voice of reason, so to speak. You're right that PR's flashiness doesn't prove she's a killer, or her hesitating when they'd "found" the body. Yes, she could have known exactly where it was, and was delaying facing up to this stage of the whole business. Just about everything in this case can be interpreted several different ways.

The "Someone" who may have been the killer would be a show-off, braggart type of person, gloating over his power to monitor people, (all of us?) and to kill, with impunity, may have some kind of immunity, reason officials don't go after him. They really did seem, imo, to know in advance not to open that door but to make JR do it, etc. I do agree that if the R's were being framed, they played right into the hands of whoever it may have really been, who'd maybe studied peoples' expected reactions or mentally put himself in their place, anticipating how they would act, how their lawyers would advise them, etc.

 

[Eagle1]

1) ........PLUS, I think she had a very specific fall-person in mind. Without the note, there's really nothing specific in the crime scene.

Not only that, but if you read the note, you'll notice that the writer was throwing in everything but the kitchen sink: ransom kidnapper, Islamic terrorist, far-left whacko, thrill killer, etc. This killer couldn't even keep "his" motive straight.

"Killer couldn't even keep 'his' motive straight".....End of Quote.....

Right, 'he' threw in everything but the kitchen sink and sex!

So is that motive conspicuous by its absence or what?

And if someone else killed JBR, they also had fall guys in mind. Any of the family would do. The suitcase may have been put there to implicate JAR, for instance, and I forget what to implicate Burke, also the fibers to implicate both parents. Why do we suppose he left an obvious motive, sex, out of the RN? Someone will say because the whole idea of the RN was a distraction from the real motive. Anything else?

 

[Eagle1]

Does anyone know if the friends were actually telephoned to come over that morning or if it's possible they were already there from the night before? Were the Ramsey friends' DNA tested as well? I still believe in the RDI theory, but can't stomach the thought that they would have brutally murdered their daughter that way. I just wonder if the Ramsey's and their friends weren't into some kind of sexual cult/club thing, and that Christmas night happened to be JonBenet's turn. I remember reading that she was afraid of people being dressed in black robes:

http://www.stewwebb.com/jonbenet_ramsey_murder_investigator_speaks_out.htm

11) Beginning app. two weeks before her murder, JonBenet began to talk - talk about scary people in long, black robes who gathered around her and stuck 'things' into her private place - things that hurt her. She also spoke vaguely of darkness around her and the possible use of candles. Several of the Ramsey's friends, friends from their Church, the Whites and the Fernie's as well as others, heard this as well as several of her teachers and questioned her about it. After JonBenet's murder they went to the Police with the information but apparently due to the DA, nothing ever came of it. The friends from the Church abruptly ended their relationship(s) with the Ramsey's and several of them openly stated they thought them guilty of murdering their daughter.

Although I call myself an unbiased FS, I too have thought this very exact same thing. So glad I'm not the only one. And in another thread, we have speculated that she was drugged, sedated, reason her memory of these things was vague and they allegedly told her it was a dream. I think maybe that's in the Wendy Murphy thread.