Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #12

[Wondergirl]

With all the weirdness in this case of the info shared and not shared, the family relationships, the bankruptcies, the moving to Mexico, estate sale, etc. i would not be surprised with any outcome. This is the strangest case i have seen to date. JMO

I may have been around here too long, but there really isn't alot about this case that is really out there weird.

I have seen some wickedly gruesome and off the wall things. Some I wish I could un-see.

JMO

 

[news.talk]

The card though would tie him directly to the disappearance, and I would think they would charge him with something in order to keep him in jail. Person of Interest, would have become suspect #1. Could you imagine if they released someone, sitting on that type of evidence, and that suspect goes on a murderous rampage? It's one thing to say they had nothing on him and had no choice, but a credit card of the victims is much more than that, and at the very least they would've asked for a higher bail I would think... And hope...

If said theory is true, keep in mind LE didn't have much evidence and little to no forensic evidence back at that time. Holding him on a lesser charge could compromise the larger case and risk having those charges thrown out or deemed inadmissible.

It may have been a calculated decision to release him and keep him on a very short leash (stake and notify), which could potentially lead them to the suspect devulging where the bodies were, while they strengthened their homicide case.

ETA: It is possible LE picked the suspect up initially in the hopes that interrogation could rattle him into devulging details about the homicide.

 

[bornofposeidon]

Transcript of CTV news report regarding the Calgary Police Service sending investigators to Mexico.
This is not an official draft, and is not connected to any of the participants.
This is a rough draft, and all errors are my own.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-p...-case-of-missing-trio-1.1946871#ixzz39ZqzxVmH

...

TN: Camilla, some of the earlier charges laid against Douglas Garland have now been stayed.

CG: That's right. We spoke with Crown Prosecutor, Shane Parker, today who tells us that he requested that the charges of impersonation and a fraudulent credit card be stayed, and rather use that as evidence in the murder investigation.

Initially, remember those charges were called "unrelated" to the case. And now, we do know that the prosecutor said that he has not seen a need for different proceedings regarding those charges. Again, 54 year old Douglas Garland is the only suspect in this case. And, Tara, he will be back in court on August 14th.

Interesting. I wonder how they will use that as evidence for murder. To describe DG's character perhaps?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

So do you think the Garlands relationship to their son is worth exploring? Not because they're guilty of anything but because they were the two people closest to him.

Everything is worth exploring. Fortunately, or unfortunately, or calculated-ly there have been no statements from that side of the family to analyze and speculate on. They could be the greatest or the worst parents in the world... Take your pick. All we have is a statement or two from a priest... Who is not going to say one negative word regardless.

I would assume they had contact and influence on him. How much? Unknown. Perhaps he was looking after them in their old age, but if they're out camping on their own, we can speculate they are perhaps aging gracefully and are self sufficient.

We can speculate that if he was angry with them, perhaps he may have demonstrated that in some way. Again, it goes to motive, and focusing on the parents doesn't seem to lead very far. Until we hear about the money angle, if any, then it's just guesswork.

So I guess I'm still not getting your point.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What about all the comments about the victims running off to Mexico with their grandson? That's accusing them of a most despicable crime.

I'm loathe to defend that one, as it ranks right up there with alien abduction, but a lot of that thread was based more on hope that they were all alive, than on cold hard logic. I don't think there was intent to attack.

There were many, including myself, that challenged the logic on that, and I think it sparked a nice debate on putting theories out there, and accepting challenges on those theories.

Context.

 

[Cherchri]

You need to watch the actual documentary.

Thanks ABro. I have watched it through twice and still not heard her mention her own mental health. Anyway, I enjoyed the piece and I thank you.

 

[Cherchri]

If said theory is true, keep in mind LE didn't have much evidence and little to no forensic evidence back at that time. Holding him on a lesser charge could compromise the larger case and risk having those charges thrown out or deemed inadmissible.

It may have been a calculated decision to release him and keep him on a very short leash (stake and notify), which could potentially lead them to the suspect devulging where the bodies were, while they strengthened their homicide case.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Cherchri]

Interesting. I wonder how they will use that as evidence for murder. To describe DG's character perhaps?

Aha! Good question. They could use it as evidence in the murder trial if any piece of ID (such as the bank card) belonged to one of the victims. Ahem. They are going to use this in the murder trial ergo......

 

[news.talk]

Aha! Good question. They could use it as evidence in the murder trial if any piece of ID (such as the bank card) belonged to one of the victims. Ahem. They are going to use this in the murder trial ergo......

It certainly shows a pattern of deception and arrogance. As I mentioned above, I think that the Crown stayed the charges rather than risk having them deemed inadmissible on some technicality. Either way, these charges play a role in their case against the accused.

 

[ABro]

Thanks ABro. I have watched it through twice and still not heard her mention her own mental health. Anyway, I enjoyed the piece and I thank you.

The full documentary is almost an hour long

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQ_3RSE4zA

I didn't rewatch so if I've misremembered let me know.

 

[Cherchri]

It certainly shows a pattern of deception and arrogance. As I mentioned above, I think that the Crown stayed the charges rather than risk having them deemed inadmissible on some technicality. Either way, these charges play a role in their case against the accused.

I do believe you're on the mark NewsTalk

 

[Cherchri]

The full documentary is almost an hour long

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQ_3RSE4zA

I didn't rewatch so if I've misremembered let me know.

It is long. I had already watched more than half way through and was interrupted by a call. Once you confirmed it was in the documentary, I watched from start to finish uninterrupted. Maybe it's me who missed something?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

"The charges against Garland are in connection with ID and a bank card allegedly in the name of a young Alberta boy whose identity he assumed while unlawfully at large during the 1990s."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/a...and+could+released+Friday/10014971/story.html


"The Crown has agreed to the release of Douglas Garland, the person of interest in the mysterious disappearance of a Calgary family, on unrelated charges."

"Police released him from that detention, but charged him with an unrelated identity theft. The Crown has since added a second charge of possessing a TD bank card that was obtained by crime.

The identity and bank card charges relate to the name of Matthew Hartley, an Alberta teen killed in a 1980 car crash and whose name Garland took while on the lam from police in the 1990s."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/0...on-of-interest-in-liknes-family-disappearance


Sorry... there's just nothing other that a reporter's use of the word "stolen" to think it was a card of one of the victims.

 

[ABro]

It is long. I had already watched more than half way through and was interrupted by a call. Once you confirmed it was in the documentary, I watched from start to finish uninterrupted. Maybe it's me who missed something?

Well as I remember, it's at the same point that she says something like, Why shouldn't a blonde boy be the poster child for mental illness? Does that ring a bell?

I haven't watched in more than a year so it's always possible that the doc/ pr for doc is not the source.

Hope if it's not the experience was, at the very least, enlightening. Sounds like you logged a lot of viewing.

 

[otto]

Where is the Garland/Liknes purchase coming from? I thought they said at the presser it was the Liknes brothers that owned it. I'll have to watch it again.

Here @ 50 seconds
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/08/20140805-135924.html

 

[Cherchri]

"The charges against Garland are in connection with ID and a bank card allegedly in the name of a young Alberta boy whose identity he assumed while unlawfully at large during the 1990s."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/a...and+could+released+Friday/10014971/story.html


"The Crown has agreed to the release of Douglas Garland, the person of interest in the mysterious disappearance of a Calgary family, on unrelated charges."

"Police released him from that detention, but charged him with an unrelated identity theft. The Crown has since added a second charge of possessing a TD bank card that was obtained by crime.

The identity and bank card charges relate to the name of Matthew Hartley, an Alberta teen killed in a 1980 car crash and whose name Garland took while on the lam from police in the 1990s."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/0...on-of-interest-in-liknes-family-disappearance


Sorry... there's just nothing other that a reporter's use of the word "stolen" to think it was a card of one of the victims.

All the words are from reporters - nothing from LE.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Both personal ID, and bank cards, have expiry dates on them, so we can safely assume they weren't leftovers from his time as MH in BC. Thus the new charges.

We can speculate that the use of that ID or Card ties in somehow to the case, possibly in the "premeditated" angle like purchasing plane tickets to flee, break in tools or something along those lines. Someone also speculated it can go to character as well, which isn't a bad theory.

 

[news.talk]

All the words are from reporters - nothing from LE.

Exactly. I think we have sufficiently shown that these young bucks pretending to be journalists, play hard and fast with the wording.

 

[Cherchri]

Exactly. I think we have sufficently shown that these young bucks pretending to be journalists, play hard and fast with the wording.

Indeed! My newshound nose twitched way back on July 9 on this issue which is why I pressed on with it. Of course I could be wrong but I am going to stick with it. I did ID the POI here before it was made known and of course was shouted down and snipped. (Understandably). Point is I was right and some young buck saw my post before the snip and claimed a scoop took him a whole day and a bit..... Guess he had to sort out all the legal angles before he could publish. So some of this I come by via search methodology, connecting the dots and some on pure instinct. Also maybe a touch of logic/deductive reasoning.

 

[ElleElle]

Hello all! Just checking in. When this case first broke out, I originally thought Mexico should have been checked out right away.

Still hoping.