Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #12

[Tinkerbel1]

Police will bluff when interviewing a person of interest.

Thank you Lalalacasbah!!! Does it have to be legally? What's the most that would happen to them for wrongly accusing someone? A civil suit? Some financial restitution? I doubt they could charge LE with anything. That's exactly what I think! LE has very little...if anything solid when they made their move...that's why they have the intensive 30-day process they're talking about. I think its a smoke screen and a case of "insurance" to present something/someone to the public. Not to demean LE, they did a fabulous job of their search/rescue effort but this is very, very weird! And now that they've got their guy, they stop?? An Edmonton radio station has been announcing that LE are now checking in Mexico....it took that long to get to Mexico? Wow...its been over a month!

 

[Sillybilly]

Section of the Criminal Code as it relates to possession of a credit card obtained by crime:

from:
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html

Theft, forgery, etc., of credit card

342. (1) Every person who

(a) steals a credit card,


(b) forges or falsifies a credit card,


(c) possesses, uses or traffics in a credit card or a forged or falsified credit card, knowing that it was obtained, made or altered

(i) by the commission in Canada of an offence, or


(ii) by an act or omission anywhere that, if it had occurred in Canada, would have constituted an offence, or



(d) uses a credit card knowing that it has been revoked or cancelled,


is guilty of

(e) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, or


(f) an offence punishable on summary conviction.



Jurisdiction

(2) An accused who is charged with an offence under subsection (1) may be tried and punished by any court having jurisdiction to try that offence in the place where the offence is alleged to have been committed or in the place where the accused is found, is arrested or is in custody, but where the place where the accused is found, is arrested or is in custody is outside the province in which the offence is alleged to have been committed, no proceedings in respect of that offence shall be commenced in that place without the consent of the Attorney General of that province.

According to this BC lawyer:

http://www.aelaw.ca/charges/possession-of-property-obtained-by-crime/

What is Possession of Property Obtained by Crime under the Criminal Code of Canada?

Under the Criminal Code of Canada, every one commits an offence who has in his possession any property or thing or any proceeds of any property or thing knowing that all or part of the property or thing or of the proceeds was obtained by or derived directly or indirectly from (a) the commission in Canada of an offence punishable by indictment; or (b) an act or omission anywhere that, if it had occurred in Canada, would have constituted an offence punishable by indictment


Will I go to jail if I’m convicted of Possession of Property Obtained by Crime?

If you choose to plead guilty to Possession of Stolen Property, or are convicted after a trial, a judge may consider a variety of different sentences in addition to jail or prison including fines, probation orders, and house arrest.

According to the lawyer's answer, it would appear the charge of "possession of a credit card obtained by crime" does not exclude the fact it may have been stolen.

 

[Cherchri]

Trust nothing anyone writes. Simple.

However, in this case, especially given the amount of detail in the Sun story, I would suspect he (or someone else) would have broken the MASSIVE story that "DG is in possession of one of the victims credit cards" if that were actually the case. Everything, even your own "young buck fast and loose" theory, points to possessing a "stolen" credit card of one of the victims, as being a highly unlikely event.

The young buck fast and loose came from NewsTalk. I am nonetheless sticking by my guns and going for a stolen card. Not based on anything anyone has written.

 

[PonderingNS]

A thought I have had more than once too was what if they were using the charges against him to either flush someone else out or make someone else feel like they got away with it. Surely they couldn't do that ? It was almost as if it HAD to be DG. That for some reason that path was started down and come hell or high water they were sticking to it. Only time will tell I guess but lots of things that make me wonder.

 

[Cherchri]

He's... A contraction of He Has.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/he's

It is also a contraction if he is. When I was a cub reporter I was never allowed to use the contraction for he has but I was for he is. Here is what the BBC Academy if Journalism dictates :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/journalism/article/art20130702112133530
Contractions

Do not use contractions such as ‘don’t’, ‘isn’t’, ‘can’t’ in news stories (except in direct quotes). Spell it out: do not, is not, cannot etc.

Anyway - neither here nor there. The glaring error was ever instead of every.

 

[sublimemumma]

Thank you Lalalacasbah!!! Does it have to be legally? What's the most that would happen to them for wrongly accusing someone? A civil suit? Some financial restitution? I doubt they could charge LE with anything. That's exactly what I think! LE has very little...if anything solid when they made their move...that's why they have the intensive 30-day process they're talking about. I think its a smoke screen and a case of "insurance" to present something/someone to the public. Not to demean LE, they did a fabulous job of their search/rescue effort but this is very, very weird! And now that they've got their guy, they stop?? An Edmonton radio station has been announcing that LE are now checking in Mexico....it took that long to get to Mexico? Wow...its been over a month!

We actually don't know how long they have been in Mexico... Just saying...

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It is also a contraction if he is. When I was a cub reporter I was never allowed to use the contraction for he has but I was for he is.

Times have changed.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I just saw the CBC headline about Mexico, and did a double take.

Silly as it is, I had hopes that maybe there was some chance that they were still alive.

Big WTH on that headline. Probably nothing more than dotting i's and crossing t's. Once again, it makes you wonder......

They should've gone there already! However, if I was going to disappear...I wouldn't be telling the neighbors I was going to Mexico and then go there! I would tell them I'm going to Mexico and go to Belize maybe...or Dominican Republic...or Cuba...or Alaska...or anywhere else, but Mexico! But then again...its been almost 5 weeks and they do have a suspect so....

 

[CentralAlberta]

I find that article appalling and always have.

Instead I recommend this amazing piece on the Lanzas

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning

There is nothing appalling about the first article. It portrays a very accurate life of living with a child with a mental illness. The only way people who have no idea what it like are going to have empathy for these children/adults and their parents are for people like this speaking up.

What I did find appalling was when I read, in the second article, that the father had no contact with his son for 2 years and did not live with him for several years. Here he is trying to speak as an expert when really he doesn't have a clue. Even what his wife writes to him is subject to his interpretation. Only those who have been subject to the trauma, fear and heartbreak of what a son or daughter with a mental illness is like truly knows. All others can do is offer support and be thankful on a daily basis their children aren't inflicted. When a child is strickened with a physical illness whole communities come together to offer support. Parents and children/young adults who are afflicted with mental illness suffer in silence.

This could very well be how it was for DG and his parents. It could be they are 'in hiding' because maybe deep in their hearts they knew he was capable of something like this. Unfortunately there is very little help and support for these families until something happens. I pray that they are receiving the help they need at this horrendous time in their lives.

 

[Cherchri]

Times have changed.

Then surely you mean times've changed. Actually I despise what North Americans (in general) have done to the English language.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

Would DG be allowed visitors? Does anyone know if he has had any besides his lawyer? Just wondering if his family has tried to talk to him.

 

[Cherchri]

Really??? Who cares who paid for his tuition? The man is 54 years old now!! Maybe his parents love him and paid for his tuition, and his living expenses...and maybe they pay for everything for him now too! What difference does this make??? OMG! I would like to know what kind of toothpaste he uses and who actually bought that for him??? Or maybe he had a sugar mama! What relevance does this have to this case?

[modsnip] In the context of the bigger discussion a group was having, the conversation was around why DG only applied for his SIN at age 20. The discussion fanned out a little and this was an offshoot of that.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Maybe they did have an older letter or just made one up. They could even have original passports and left fakes behind... its a stretch.

...and maybe DG got them some fake ones made up...I hear he's good at that!

 

[bornofposeidon]

studyer-
It's a good idea, because if he was as 'genius' as claimed...

Really??? Who cares who paid for his tuition? The man is 54 years old now!! Maybe his parents love him and paid for his tuition, and his living expenses...and maybe they pay for everything for him now too! What difference does this make??? OMG! I would like to know what kind of toothpaste he uses and who actually bought that for him??? Or maybe he had a sugar mama! What relevance does this have to this case?

The small things make up the big things; they can describe a persons character and answer crucial questions in round about ways. Using your own example- knowing who purchased DG's toothpaste for him wouldn't solve this case but it would provide insight into his character; especially if it came to be known that, say, it was his mom who bought it for him.

 

[CentralAlberta]

What I find puzzling is how a 'loner', someone with 'mental issues' could have pulled off having a job for 7 years. In my opinion, true loner doesn't have a job where he dealing with people on a daily basis. Is it possible DG was able to pull it off because he wasn't himself he was MK? It's no wonder he suffered a nervous breakdown (according to reports).

Possibly he has only become a loner in the later years of his life and this was his way of taking back control.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Section of the Criminal Code as it relates to possession of a credit card obtained by crime:

from:
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html



According to this BC lawyer:

http://www.aelaw.ca/charges/possession-of-property-obtained-by-crime/



According to the lawyer's answer, it would appear the charge of "possession of a credit card obtained by crime" does not exclude the fact it may have been stolen.

It doesn't exclude a lot of things, but it would have most likely then been a charge of "Possession of a Stolen Credit Card" as used in this example:

http://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...ed-in-markham-charged-with-credit-card-fraud/

"... identity theft, credit card theft, possession of stolen credit card, possession of property obtained by crime under $5,000 and possession of property obtained by crime over $5,000."

The "stolen" designation wasn't used for the property because it wasn't taken, it was fraudulently obtained by using the stolen credit card. Much like a credit card being obtained using a fraudulent ID, rather than being taken from someone. There is a difference.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

We actually don't know how long they have been in Mexico... Just saying...

That is true! But I'm sure that if LE were in Mexico close to the onset of this...we would have heard about it...its not like they weren't asked the question by reporters. Police Chief Hanson said "there were no other suspects"...and that the Crown felt they had enough evidence to prosecute...then all of a sudden...search is off....we've heard nothing in over 2 weeks...now they're saying that they can't just focus on one suspect and have to do their due diligence and they're suddenly in Mexico? Maybe DG told them something...maybe they didn't have enough on him in the first place. Looks to me like there's some back-peddling going on here. Due diligence would suggest that they would have been there at the beginning.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Then surely you mean times've changed. Actually I despise what North Americans (in general) have done to the English language.

... And the English language of your cub reporter days was butchering the English language of 50 years prior, and so on... It would be difficult to text accurately in Shakespearean given the 160 characters so I, for one, embrace progress and evolution.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

What I find puzzling is how a 'loner', someone with 'mental issues' could have pulled off having a job for 7 years. In my opinion, true loner doesn't have a job where he dealing with people on a daily basis. Is it possible DG was able to pull it off because he wasn't himself he was MK? It's no wonder he suffered a nervous breakdown (according to reports).

Possibly he has only become a loner in the later years of his life and this was his way of taking back control.

I've worked in a particular industry for all of my adult life and the typical personality of the professionals I worked with could be described as "loners". Trust me, most did not have many people skills or social skills but many of them held their same jobs for 20+ years...so...just because his preference is to be a "loner"...doesn't mean he can't work alongside other people...he probably would just choose not to socialize with them...I've seen it hundreds and hundreds of times.

 

[Cherchri]

... And the English language of your cub reporter days was butchering the English language of 50 years prior, and so on... It would be difficult to text accurately in Shakespearean given the 160 characters so I, for one, embrace progress and evolution.

Oops you evolved without a sense of humour then? Come into the light out of the darkness