Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #12

[Sillybilly]

With all due respect, I wet the bed til I was 12. I also took a package of gum from a store when I was 11. I picked some flowers out of the neighbors flower bed and brought them home to my mom when I was 6. I picked up a cigarette at the bus stop when I was 6 and puffed on it...all of these things are not things of a well-adjusted child I wouldn't say...I suffered a severe depressive episode five years ago, but that does not make me any more capable of committing a crime. And if I did commit a crime, it's not because I wet the bed til I was 12. I'm just saying...I think that people nowadays have to be more mindful of how they treat other people...and yes, a forensic psychiatirist would be asking those questions, which we aren't forensic psychiatrists any more than the majority of us are law enforcement. Which no one bothered to answer my question about why he hasn't been sent for a psychiatric assessment as of yet?

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[Tinkerbel1]

And just what are you basing this comment on? AL/KL may come across as unscrupulous given the bankruptcies but even to say that would be unfair since none of us know what the true circumstances were.
Weird I would say not.

Oh no! The bankruptcies have nothing whatsoever to do with my comment...nor did I think they are unscrupulous. I just think that the fact they didn't know where they were going was weird, and that they sold their home to their 'lawyer friend' was weird, and that AL cleaned out his office the last day of the Estate Sale is weird and that a relative owns a plane is weird...the timing was weird, DG's parading his truck in front of a camera is weird (if he was intending on committing such a horrendous crime, you'ld think he'ld be more careful)...that's what my comment was based on, just lots of weirdness. Actually, now that you mention it, maybe there's a whole bunch of "unscrupulous" here too...IDK

 

[news.talk]

Indeed! My newshound nose twitched way back on July 9 on this issue which is why I pressed on with it. Of course I could be wrong but I am going to stick with it. I did ID the POI here before it was made known and of course was shouted down and snipped. (Understandably). Point is I was right and some young buck saw my post before the snip and claimed a scoop took him a whole day and a bit..... Guess he had to sort out all the legal angles before he could publish. So some of this I come by via search methodology, connecting the dots and some on pure instinct. Also maybe a touch of logic/deductive reasoning.

You have probably sat through countless hours of court proceedings, attended many crime scenes and interviewed victims and law enforcement like I have. When a reporter focuses a career on covering crime, we tend to have instincts that rival even homicide investigators. We have seen more sides of the story so to speak, and are able to go where even they can't.

Sadly, the young kids reporting today, lack those instincts and back knowledge. They don't understand even basic legal terminology and their writing... OYE VEY! Good thing they have the internet and various forums so they can do their research... We actually had to get degrees, read books, make dozens of calls an hour and spend years learning our craft. Today, they are just like McDonalds - Mass manufactured generic substitutes for the real thing.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheDarkness
These were the links in post #413.

Even DG's lawyer points out that it's unrelated:

"“I’ve only been retained on the charges that are unrelated to any other investigation that’s ongoing,” Ross said."

IMO semantics.

Yes... but at that time... and with those charges (which is what the endless discussion is about... MH Bank Card vs. Victim's Stolen Credit Card) he's saying the charges are unrelated to the investigation of the victim's disappearance. He could not say that if the Credit Card had one of the victim's name on it.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Oh boy! My apologies again! I am new here! Message board? Have you seen everything posted? I wonder if LE has most of the information that's been dug up on here! It's pretty incredible...and a fine job too! Point taken. Well, I guess what intrigues me the most is the perhaps unintentional display of entitlement to dissect someone to the point of oblivion as a matter of discussion. It just really bothers me because IMO every person has the right to be treated with dignity and respect, no matter what the circumstances. DG has not been convicted ... and my comment was in answer to a statement that was made regarding who paid for his tuition, and living expenses...not about taking the case to trial. I simply would like to know why we feel that we have the right to invade a person's privacy to the point of questioning why his parents were camping when this was happening? Why his parents haven't responded to this? Who paid for tuition when he was in his 20's and how his sister is in a relationship with AL's son? IMO, it has no bearing on this case at all, but could (and probably has) caused a lot of damage to people, who may or may not deserve it. JMO

Regardless of your brash style, you have a point, and the right to make it.

Unfortunately, sometimes the discussion is void of awareness that we are talking about human beings here. We can guarantee that everyone from DG, to family on both sides, and to friends and loved ones on both sides, are all devastated by what has, and is taking place in their lives. We should remind ourselves, and each other of that from time to time.

It's my observation that most here just desperately want to help, be it realistically, symbolically, or just as a token "trying to do something because I don't know what else to do". Lots of weird theories get thrown out there, which, IMO isn't necessarily a bad thing, because it does make you think a bit, and can inspire some new directions, or help dig up information, be it old or new, that people find helpful.

When the weird theories get thrown out there, it's also helpful to dissect it to oblivion, again with the idea that new thoughts, ideas, information etc. can be produced, and maybe, just maybe, the weird "unlikely" theory might get changed to a more "likely" one.

Any sort of new information is now tough to dig up, and much of what we need to put things together now require either a warrant, or a public release. Thus the round and round speculation. I keep hoping to read something to tweak my brain, but settle for some dissection from time to time.

 

[julydarling]

There are a few in every group aren't there

I've been lurking. Went many a time to post only to remind myself I had no account. It's been interesting to read all the theories. I was born and raised in Airdrie and have a close family member with CPS who had worked on scene at the L residence. They have spoken about some aspects of what they saw, what JO said upon police arrival etc. They of course were privy to some of the evidence found on the acreage as well. They don't give me too much info as they love their job and respect the family and the investigation but I've gotten enough. Can't wait to see if my theory based on first hand cop info is anywhere near what will come out in court.

Well then... you certainly have my attention!

 

[Cherchri]

:thinking:

Wub wyoo pwefur I pype whif my pung im my psheek? Or would you like to re-read my Shakespearean with tongue and cheek colored glasses?

See it's me - I haven't evolved yet! A veritable fossil.

 

[news.talk]

It is also a contraction if he is. When I was a cub reporter I was never allowed to use the contraction for he has but I was for he is. Here is what the BBC Academy if Journalism dictates :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/journalism/article/art20130702112133530
Contractions

Do not use contractions such as ‘don’t’, ‘isn’t’, ‘can’t’ in news stories (except in direct quotes). Spell it out: do not, is not, cannot etc.

Anyway - neither here nor there. The glaring error was ever instead of every.

I am not a writer but rather a broadcast journalist, so I make the occasional written error. I abhore hearing on air people using contractions - it's plain lazy!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

With all due respect, I wet the bed til I was 12. I also took a package of gum from a store when I was 11. I picked some flowers out of the neighbors flower bed and brought them home to my mom when I was 6. I picked up a cigarette at the bus stop when I was 6 and puffed on it...all of these things are not things of a well-adjusted child I wouldn't say...I suffered a severe depressive episode five years ago, but that does not make me any more capable of committing a crime. And if I did commit a crime, it's not because I wet the bed til I was 12. I'm just saying...I think that people nowadays have to be more mindful of how they treat other people...and yes, a forensic psychiatirist would be asking those questions, which we aren't forensic psychiatrists any more than the majority of us are law enforcement. Which no one bothered to answer my question about why he hasn't been sent for a psychiatric assessment as of yet?

I would think a psychiatric assessment would become publicly known if the evidence is overwhelmingly convincing that DG was involved. Given his history, a defence of "not criminally responsible" would have to be considered and possibly pursued. That is a decision that is made usually after disclosure, and the next court appearance may be very telling in that respect... unless one side or the other seeks more time to go over, or disclose more evidence. These things take time.

 

[stan laurel]

Oh no! The bankruptcies have nothing whatsoever to do with my comment...nor did I think they are unscrupulous. I just think that the fact they didn't know where they were going was weird, and that they sold their home to their 'lawyer friend' was weird, and that AL cleaned out his office the last day of the Estate Sale is weird and that a relative owns a plane is weird...the timing was weird, DG's parading his truck in front of a camera is weird (if he was intending on committing such a horrendous crime, you'ld think he'ld be more careful)...that's what my comment was based on, just lots of weirdness. Actually, now that you mention it, maybe there's a whole bunch of "unscrupulous" here too...IDK

I completely get where you are coming from as there is an ethical dilemma in what and who we are discussing. However, this is a sleuthing forum, a collective or crowd sourcing for ideas and motives related to - and sadly - real lives affected by real crimes. Every smidge of whatever someone gleans from another helps in the arranging of the puzzle of this very strange and tangled mystery, or non-mystery. All the people, both victim and accused have done things or are related by actions and family that needs to be expressed, no matter how disheartening, to get it figured out.

For the record, I come from the camp that DG did not work alone or at least he wasn't privy to the complete plan.

off topic, sort of; I was thinking of starting a thread on WS'ers figuring out Jack the Ripper as we would with a modern day crime, nitpicking at every statement by reporters. Or some other famous unsolved crime, The Black Delia case. Anyhoo.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I am not a writer but rather a broadcast journalist, so I make the occasional written error. I abhore hearing on air people using contractions - it's plain lazy!

Please tell me that was on purpose self deprecation.

 

[bornofposeidon]

Yes... but at that time... and with those charges (which is what the endless discussion is about... Victim's Stolen Credit Card)

Hahaha!! Must be bed time. I read this as Victoria's Secret Credit Card.

 

[news.talk]

Please tell me that was on purpose self deprecation.

[emoji12] I couldn't possibly know what you mean. I didn't make a contraction... I wouldn't!

 

[YYC Lady]

There are a few in every group aren't there

I've been lurking. Went many a time to post only to remind myself I had no account. It's been interesting to read all the theories. I was born and raised in Airdrie and have a close family member with CPS who had worked on scene at the L residence. They have spoken about some aspects of what they saw, what JO said upon police arrival etc. They of course were privy to some of the evidence found on the acreage as well. They don't give me too much info as they love their job and respect the family and the investigation but I've gotten enough. Can't wait to see if my theory based on first hand cop info is anywhere near what will come out in court.

I have so much respect for LE, and always feel so badly for them when they have to work cases where children have been harmed. It must be incredibly difficult and take an emotional toll. Obviously you can't share what you know, but in your opinion, do you get the impression the case against the accused will be quite strong? (Lots of speculation here over the quality/quantity of evidence)

 

[sublimemumma]

That is true! But I'm sure that if LE were in Mexico close to the onset of this...we would have heard about it...its not like they weren't asked the question by reporters. Police Chief Hanson said "there were no other suspects"...and that the Crown felt they had enough evidence to prosecute...then all of a sudden...search is off....we've heard nothing in over 2 weeks...now they're saying that they can't just focus on one suspect and have to do their due diligence and they're suddenly in Mexico? Maybe DG told them something...maybe they didn't have enough on him in the first place. Looks to me like there's some back-peddling going on here. Due diligence would suggest that they would have been there at the beginning.

I also don't believe that the search was ever "off". Even when things were quiet and the search at the airdrie property was done I still saw them searching ditches and fields. For all we know they could of went straight to Mexico when we all thought the searches were finished... JMO

 

[news.talk]

There are a few in every group aren't there

I've been lurking. Went many a time to post only to remind myself I had no account. It's been interesting to read all the theories. I was born and raised in Airdrie and have a close family member with CPS who had worked on scene at the L residence. They have spoken about some aspects of what they saw, what JO said upon police arrival etc. They of course were privy to some of the evidence found on the acreage as well. They don't give me too much info as they love their job and respect the family and the investigation but I've gotten enough. Can't wait to see if my theory based on first hand cop info is anywhere near what will come out in court.

Can I just say, thank you for NOT devulging any information obtained from first responders!!! I have always had to walk a fine line between what I found out from family on the job (police) and doing my job as a reporter. I actually moved to a different province to avoid this issue.

It can greatly hurt a case before the court if sensitive information is leaked. While the public and everyone here wants to know more, it's important to consider the ramifications of such actions. If the leak is traced back to the officer, his career can be severely impacted.

Thank you for being discrete.

 

[Cherchri]

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Well then... you certainly have my attention!

And mine too! Welcome to web sleuths Female
:balloons::welcome:

 

[Female]

Can I just say, thank you for NOT devulging any information obtained from first responders!!! I have always had to walk a fine line between what I found out from family on the job (police) and doing my job as a reporter. I actually moved to a different province to avoid this issue.

It can greatly hurt a case before the court if sensitive information is leaked. While the public and everyone here wants to know more, it's important to consider the ramifications of such actions.

Thank you for being discrete.

Absolutely. I would never discuss what was said no matter how hard. Too much respect for all aspects of the situation and all those involved. It's not my first rodeo in situations like this. Police are human too and need to talk sometimes to trusted individuals outside the circle. It's not as if they tell all, but emotions are high and talking helps. I pride myself on being trustworthy. I dont think I know anything that could let a suspect walk free if leaked, but why take that risk and break that trust.

I also wanted to say that I'm in awe of this site. Mature discussions and opinions being shared. Great info being sluethed. It's very admirable.

 

[sublimemumma]

I completely get where you are coming from as there is an ethical dilemma in what and who we are discussing. However, this is a sleuthing forum, a collective or crowd sourcing for ideas and motives related to - and sadly - real lives affected by real crimes. Every smidge of whatever someone gleans from another helps in the arranging of the puzzle of this very strange and tangled mystery, or non-mystery. All the people, both victim and accused have done things or are related by actions and family that needs to be expressed, no matter how disheartening, to get it figured out.
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For the record, I come from the camp that DG did not work alone or at least he wasn't privy to the complete plan.

off topic, sort of; I was thinking of starting a thread on WS'ers figuring out Jack the Ripper as we would with a modern day crime, nitpicking at every statement by reporters. Or some other famous unsolved crime, The Black Delia case. Anyhoo.

Ohhhhh I would definately be into the Jack the Ripper... I have done alot of research on that one!!!

 

[Cherchri]

:tyou:

There is nothing appalling about the first article. It portrays a very accurate life of living with a child with a mental illness. The only way people who have no idea what it like are going to have empathy for these children/adults and their parents are for people like this speaking up.

What I did find appalling was when I read, in the second article, that the father had no contact with his son for 2 years and did not live with him for several years. Here he is trying to speak as an expert when really he doesn't have a clue. Even what his wife writes to him is subject to his interpretation. Only those who have been subject to the trauma, fear and heartbreak of what a son or daughter with a mental illness is like truly knows. All others can do is offer support and be thankful on a daily basis their children aren't inflicted. When a child is strickened with a physical illness whole communities come together to offer support. Parents and children/young adults who are afflicted with mental illness suffer in silence.

This could very well be how it was for DG and his parents. It could be they are 'in hiding' because maybe deep in their hearts they knew he was capable of something like this. Unfortunately there is very little help and support for these families until something happens. I pray that they are receiving the help they need at this horrendous time in their lives.

Thank you! I had hoped my post would give insight. You clearly already have insight along with sensitivity and a good measure of compassion.
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