Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #12

[LoisLane]

A neighbour in Parkhill apparently said KL had told her they were moving to Texas. I have no link but believe there's one in the very first thread.

I have a hard time reading all those threads, as far as I can see, neighbours said they were moving to the US, Mexico, Edmonton..... So strange!!

 

[PonderingNS]

Good eye! Yes, I see the wheelbarrow that LawyerMum thought might've been used (I agree with her also on this idea). It could be a strong forensic link if any of the 3 victims DNA and DGs are on it and it was found at the acreage.

Thanks, I think there are at least three wheelbarrow / carts in the pic. From left to right the dark green cart / garden one, then a light colored actual wheelbarrow and then we can just see the grey ? Handle of another cart type one to the right again. I am looking at it from my phone so maybe more ? I see be also had access to blue barrels ( over by the greenhouse )

 

[stan laurel]

Ok so this is an odd one,, it's for an L auto sales company registered in Alberta with an address of > NE 2 - 34 - 5 - W4 < however the only link to those coordinates is this webpage https://docs.neb-one.gc.ca/ll-eng/l..._(Tab_10)_A0X2H3_.pdf?nodeid=444730&vernum=-2

I tried other coordinate styles offered and keep coming back to this webpage above. can anyone else pinpoint this location for Alberta? At no point does anything remotely associated with auto sales come up.

If this is a lease deal, it's a huge deal, not small potatoes pipeline stuff.

 

[Sillybilly]

Ok so this is an odd one,, it's for an L auto sales company registered in Alberta with an address of > NE 2 - 34 - 5 - W4 < however the only link to those coordinates is this webpage https://docs.neb-one.gc.ca/ll-eng/l..._(Tab_10)_A0X2H3_.pdf?nodeid=444730&vernum=-2

I tried other coordinate styles offered and keep coming back to this webpage above. can anyone else pinpoint this location for Alberta? At no point does anything remotely associated with auto sales come up.

If this is a lease deal, it's a huge deal, not small potatoes pipeline stuff.

How does the auto sales company factor into this case? Is there some connection to either KL or AL, or ??

ETA: The legal description you have given is in fact the Northeast Quarter of Section 2, Township 34, Range 5 west of the Fourth Meridian", abbreviated "NE-2-34-5 W4." You need to find a map of Alberta townships and range roads.

The following map will give you a rough idea of where it is in Alberta (but no town/city names) ... on the right hand side go up to 34, then go left 5 squares:

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex10302/$file/pg_4_township_grid.pdf?OpenElement

ETA: I don't have a lot of time right now, but looks like it's going to be in Consort (see "Sub-district number 2) in the following:

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1916/Pages/alberta.aspx

Using the following calculator:

http://www.ags.gov.ab.ca/gis/map_converters/ats_degrees_converter.html

I get the co-ordinates Latitude 51.8816363 Longitude 110.5957064

HTH

 

[LoriMcA]

Ok so this is an odd one,, it's for an L auto sales company registered in Alberta with an address of > NE 2 - 34 - 5 - W4 < however the only link to those coordinates is this webpage https://docs.neb-one.gc.ca/ll-eng/l..._(Tab_10)_A0X2H3_.pdf?nodeid=444730&vernum=-2

I tried other coordinate styles offered and keep coming back to this webpage above. can anyone else pinpoint this location for Alberta? At no point does anything remotely associated with auto sales come up.

If this is a lease deal, it's a huge deal, not small potatoes pipeline stuff.

Wayyyyy back when the search of the G's acreage started we discussed the Dominion Land Survey *co-ordinates you cited above*...I will link to a couple of sites with pertinent information...will make it clear as mud!

http://www.websiteservice.ca/powerpoints/dominionls.pdf

^^^Explains the DLS

Mapping by DLS:
http://www.legallandconverter.com/

& when you punch in your DLS co-ordinates you get this:
http://www.legallandconverter.com/cgi-bin/shopats201408.cgi

Which when mapped on a Google, Bing or MapQuest map takes you to a property approx 1km east, 12 km south, 12-13 km east of Consort AB

ETA: The Legal Land Converter btw can be used for any co-ordinates for AB, SK, MB IIRC

 

[Sillybilly]

^^ Yep ... looks like Monitor, AB

 

[otto]

Ok that site looks like a fake! The grammar is also terrible.

Something isn't right here......

That is Kathryn Liknes' business and website. Scroll to the bottom of the page to see her address, or go to Google Maps and zoom in on the crime scene location.

http://www.websitemarketinginc.com/SEO.html

 

[bakerlady]

Ok that site looks like a fake! The grammar is also terrible.

Something isn't right here......

A while back I found a total of 8 sites. They are all horrendous but they can't actually be used for anything nefarious IMO. I can't imagine any one would be interested in hiring someone based on viewing those sites but it does happen and it blows my mind.

KL made a website for her friend's daycare in Canmore http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/A...+mystery+their+hands+VIDEO/9989542/story.html

 

[bornofposeidon]

If anyone here could sit down with a senior investigating officer in this case and question him about DG, what specific questions would you ask at this time?

This:

Garland was originally arrested on identity theft charges but Crown Prosecutor, Shane Parker, says he has requested those charges be stayed.

“The evidence from the impersonation will be used as part of the murder case so there was no need to have separate proceedings,” said Parker.

Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-p...-case-of-missing-trio-1.1946871#ixzz39zcR6NOh

I'm very interested in knowing how DG's use of MKH's name is connected to the murders.

 

[deugirtni]

Sorry I'm a few pages behind, so hard to keep up. Just wanted to say thank you for posting these, they are very interesting articles! And very scary to me also. I am practically speechless.

I am looking for info on the job descriptions of coroners/medical examiners. Specifically, I am looking for the basis for confirming death without a body. I thought I would share these articles. I am still looking for more detail but these are interesting:

Here are articles/story's on Alberta's Chief Medical Examiner. It is not technical, but insightful.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...lbertas-chief-medical-examiner/article595591/

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/05/11/alberta-chief-medical-examiners-intellectual-orgasms

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/12/0...-examiner-anny-sauvageau-under-the-microscope

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...aving_soldiers_body_hanging_military_cop.html

https://oplfrpd5.cmpa-acpm.ca/-/understanding-the-role-of-coroners-and-medical-examiners

 

[deugirtni]

MOO - my thinking is that when LE approached DG for questioning in this matter, he may have misrepresented himself as someone other than DG, and provided false ID. IMHO, this would give LE the impression that he was trying to avoid detection and questioning, and LE would have to then wonder why. To me, it is just one of those little pieces of the whole puzzle which led LE to make the arrest. It is puzzling however, to think that DG would think for a moment that he could pretend to be MKH to LE, when he already has an established history of using that very ID. He must think LE is incredibly incompetent. MOO

This:

Garland was originally arrested on identity theft charges but Crown Prosecutor, Shane Parker, says he has requested those charges be stayed.

&#8220;The evidence from the impersonation will be used as part of the murder case so there was no need to have separate proceedings,&#8221; said Parker.

Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-p...-case-of-missing-trio-1.1946871#ixzz39zcR6NOh

I'm very interested in knowing how DG's use of MKH's name is connected to the murders.

 

[bornofposeidon]

If anyone here could sit down with a senior investigating officer in this case and question him about DG, what specific questions would you ask at this time?

This:

Garland was originally arrested on identity theft charges but Crown Prosecutor, Shane Parker, says he has requested those charges be stayed.

&#8220;The evidence from the impersonation will be used as part of the murder case so there was no need to have separate proceedings,&#8221; said Parker.

Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-p...-case-of-missing-trio-1.1946871#ixzz39zcR6NOh

I'm very interested in knowing how DG's use of MKH's name is connected to the murders.

MOO - my thinking is that when LE approached DG for questioning in this matter, he may have misrepresented himself as someone other than DG, and provided false ID. IMHO, this would give LE the impression that he was trying to avoid detection and questioning, and LE would have to then wonder why. To me, it is just one of those little pieces of the whole puzzle which led LE to make the arrest. It is puzzling however, to think that DG would think for a moment that he could pretend to be MKH to LE, when he already has an established history of using that very ID. He must think LE is incredibly incompetent. MOO

It is very likely that it is as simple as DG providing the false ID and that is all there is to it.

I am curious to know if it also involves the use of the TD credit card.

Some MSM articles state that DG was in possession of a stolen credit card. Did this stolen credit card belong to either AL or KL? Was it obtained during the murder? http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/douglas-garland-released-on-750-bail-1.1909774

Regardless of what name the credit card was under, did it become known to LE that an item or thing used before, during or after the murder was purchased with this credit card or under MKH's name?

At one point there was some mention that the credit card was actually in MKH's name. I can no longer find these MSM links so, maybe this was just mis-reporting. Does anyone have a link to this?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

A little off topic, but a curiosity of mine&#8230;deugirtni mentioned the thoughts bout DG maybe thinking LE is incompetent, so much so that he thought he could still use the identity of MKH, this led to me wonder how tech savvy DG was (or lack there of).

DG barely has an online presence for himself or under MKH (that we can find or know of) and he used his dad's email address which could've been a default one from the Telus account. Either DG is not a keen computer user and unaware of everything you can find and do with the internet (ie. LE having a database of aliases) or he is tech savvy but smart enough not to be found by using the name DG/MKH and might use different name handles (such as Matt that a couple people here found). I wonder if DG was clueless about the digital footprint he might've left behind for LE to trace? Just curious about this&#8230;

ETA: he also could've had an credit card around in the name of MKH that he used to purchase goods used in the crime, that could also be connect to identify theft/fraud charges

 

[Tinkerbel1]

MOO - my thinking is that when LE approached DG for questioning in this matter, he may have misrepresented himself as someone other than DG, and provided false ID. IMHO, this would give LE the impression that he was trying to avoid detection and questioning, and LE would have to then wonder why. To me, it is just one of those little pieces of the whole puzzle which led LE to make the arrest. It is puzzling however, to think that DG would think for a moment that he could pretend to be MKH to LE, when he already has an established history of using that very ID. He must think LE is incredibly incompetent. MOO

Or, he specifically did that to get caught by LE. It seems kind of odd that he would put up such a red flag for sure.

 

[sublimemumma]

A little off topic, but a curiosity of mine…deugirtni mentioned the thoughts bout DG maybe thinking LE is incompetent, so much so that he thought he could still use the identity of MKH, this led to me wonder how tech savvy DG was (or lack there of).

DG barely has an online presence for himself or under MKH (that we can find or know of) and he used his dad's email address which could've been a default one from the Telus account. Either DG is not a keen computer user and unaware of everything you can find and do with the internet (ie. LE having a database of aliases) or he is tech savvy but smart enough not to be found by using the name DG/MKH and might use different name handles (such as Matt that a couple people here found). I wonder if DG was clueless about the digital footprint he might've left behind for LE to trace? Just curious about this…

ETA: he also could've had an credit card around in the name of MKH that he used to purchase goods used in the crime, that could also be connect to identify theft/fraud charges

I have absolutely no proof of this but this thought keeps popping up in my mind... We have not heard specifically whose bank card/credit card it was he had. My mind keeps wondering if this is the link to the murder of HM??? I believe they have some kind of link between DG and HM's case in order for them to release her name... This is JMO and I could be totally wrong but it could of been a trophy from her murder that he had in possession... Just a thought...

Article about DG being investigated in HM case.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1472714/p...as-garland-has-links-to-other-violent-crimes/

 

[Tinkerbel1]

A little off topic, but a curiosity of mine…deugirtni mentioned the thoughts bout DG maybe thinking LE is incompetent, so much so that he thought he could still use the identity of MKH, this led to me wonder how tech savvy DG was (or lack there of).

DG barely has an online presence for himself or under MKH (that we can find or know of) and he used his dad's email address which could've been a default one from the Telus account. Either DG is not a keen computer user and unaware of everything you can find and do with the internet (ie. LE having a database of aliases) or he is tech savvy but smart enough not to be found by using the name DG/MKH and might use different name handles (such as Matt that a couple people here found). I wonder if DG was clueless about the digital footprint he might've left behind for LE to trace? Just curious about this…

ETA: he also could've had an credit card around in the name of MKH that he used to purchase goods used in the crime, that could also be connect to identify theft/fraud charges

I would have thought that anything related to that name MKH would have been closed down by LE when DG was caught using it in the past. Maybe the credit card or whatever he was using wasn't under MKH...maybe it was in the Liknes name or a name associated with them.

I don't know if he would be that behind the times with computers, etc. He did work at several large companies that would definitely have required use of them. He doesn't strike me as unintelligent or clued out as say, Robert Pickton. That just MO. Anything is possible. I'm continually and regularly surprised at what people do and think that no one would figure it out.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I have absolutely no proof of this but this thought keeps popping up in my mind... We have not heard specifically whose bank card/credit card it was he had. My mind keeps wondering if this is the link to the murder of HM??? I believe they have some kind of link between DG and HM's case in order for them to release her name... This is JMO and I could be totally wrong but it could of been a trophy from her murder that he had in possession... Just a thought...

Article about DG being investigated in HM case.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1472714/p...as-garland-has-links-to-other-violent-crimes/

IMO the HM investigation is taking place as the remains were found in the Airdrie area. IMO, I don't think they had any reason than that to tie him to her. But, again, who the heck knows?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have absolutely no proof of this but this thought keeps popping up in my mind... We have not heard specifically whose bank card/credit card it was he had. My mind keeps wondering if this is the link to the murder of HM??? I believe they have some kind of link between DG and HM's case in order for them to release her name... This is JMO and I could be totally wrong but it could of been a trophy from her murder that he had in possession... Just a thought...

Article about DG being investigated in HM case.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1472714/p...as-garland-has-links-to-other-violent-crimes/

Excellent point, for LE to publicly link HM and DG in the media says a lot. The only thing might be that LE did say ID fraud will tie into the murder charges, so not sure if legally they can bring up another crime in this trial, not sure...

 

[goodasgold]

I have absolutely no proof of this but this thought keeps popping up in my mind... We have not heard specifically whose bank card/credit card it was he had. My mind keeps wondering if this is the link to the murder of HM??? I believe they have some kind of link between DG and HM's case in order for them to release her name... This is JMO and I could be totally wrong but it could of been a trophy from her murder that he had in possession... Just a thought...

Article about DG being investigated in HM case.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1472714/p...as-garland-has-links-to-other-violent-crimes/

Or maybe one of the items seized from the acreage belonged to HM. JMO

 

[LoisLane]

That is Kathryn Liknes' business and website. Scroll to the bottom of the page to see her address, or go to Google Maps and zoom in on the crime scene location.

http://www.websitemarketinginc.com/SEO.html

Yes, and when I look at this website and try searching for it online it does not come up the way the business advertises:

"We present you as the top recommendation for exactly what people are searching for. And these are not generic searches, either&#8230;These are the thousands of specific keywords that most website owners have to pay-per-click for, using Google AdWords."

Maybe the few templates are legit but I suspect not.