Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

[Deleted member 117120]

I remember seeing in the very beginning of the search for these three that both KL and RO have gone bankrupt recently.

Based on comments by reporter at the 16:21 mark in LE briefing, a reporter asks about KL and RO recent bankruptcies. Possibly in RO's case could be due to his divorce from first wife. If correct that is two personal bankruptcies KL and RO and one business for AL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lYafbDOjk

 

[Tinkerbel1]

In Alberta:

"If a person dies as the result of a crime, the maximum amount of death benefits that their family can receive is $12,500 per deceased victim."

http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/rev2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=389&Itemid=267

Six children plus Nathan's father: seven eligible for death benefits of $12,500 = $87,500. I wonder if siblings of the deceased are also eligible for the death benefit.

I'm confused. Would this not mean that there would be 3 x 12,500 = $ 37,500? Which would be shared equally amongst the 7 people?

 

[winnnancy]

I'm confused. Would this not mean that there would be 3 x 12,500 = $ 37,500? Which would be shared equally amongst the 7 people?

That is my interpretation of the language.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Thanks Tinkerbel !! I obviously need a refresher.

Lol...You're very welcome And, I doubt you need a refresher....there's a LOT of information and you seem to be on top of it.

 

[Power of Two]

I'm confused. Would this not mean that there would be 3 x 12,500 = $ 37,500? Which would be shared equally amongst the 7 people?

The above mentioned death benefit + the Federal Death Benefit of $2500 max (for persons who have contributed to CPP for at least 3 years, which would exclude NO, and scarcely covers a no-frills cremation).
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/services/pensions/cpp/death-benefit.shtml

 

[winnnancy]

The above mentioned death benefit + the Federal Death Benefit of $2500 max (for persons who have contributed to CPP for at least 3 years, which would exclude NO, and scarcely covers a no-frills cremation).
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/services/pensions/cpp/death-benefit.shtml

I'd also like to add that the death benefit is taxable. According to the government of Canada website, victim compensation monies DO NOT have to be claimed

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I'd also like to add that the death benefit is taxable. I don't know about the victim services " windfall", it too may not be tax free.

Oh my goodness! That's terrible...a taxable benefit? I guess that shouldn't be a surprise, while someone at Revenue Canada is licking the envelope to send you a cheque for the death benefit, someone else is calculating the deceased's "estate" at the same time. The least we could do is bury our people without making the family pay for the benefit. We spend enough money on things that are frivolous, proper memorial services or farewells should be part of our right to be treated with dignity and respect. Just venting.

 

[winnnancy]

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/tpcs/ncm-tx/rtrn/cmpltng/rprtng-ncm/nttxd-eng.html

This is the link regarding not claiming victim compensation monies

http://financialcrooks.com/why-need-withholding-tax-on-cpp-death-benefit/

This one explains claiming the death benefit and withholding monies to pay the taxes

 

[otto]

The above mentioned death benefit + the Federal Death Benefit of $2500 max (for persons who have contributed to CPP for at least 3 years, which would exclude NO, and scarcely covers a no-frills cremation).
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/services/pensions/cpp/death-benefit.shtml

Would that be in addition to the provincial amount of $12,500?

 

[winnnancy]

Would that be in addition to the provincial amount of $12,500?

Wow! Each of the 7 children is enriched by $5, 357.00.
They do not need to claim this money.

The 2500 taxable death benefit, if I remember correctly, would be claimed on both KL and AL s last tax return if they contributed to CPP.

NO would not be entitled to a CPP death benefit

 

[otto]

Wow! Each of the 7 children is enriched by $5, 357.00.
They do not need to claim this money.

The 2500 taxable death benefit, if I remember correctly, would be claimed on both KL and AL s last tax return if they contributed to CPP.

NO would not be entitled to a CPP death benefit

Where does the $5357 number come from? If it's a reference to the $12,500 that the family receives for each murder victim, I believe that is intended for normal, unexpected costs such as funeral/memorial. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if receipts were needed. For example, I don't think someone could opt for a $600 cremation and make a request for a $12,000 funeral.

 

[Cherchri]

Sorry, I'm having difficulty in keeping up..... what are you talking about??

I think if you follow the posts you will have less difficulty in keeping up. Please see the post immediately prior to mine and those I posted yesterday in this regard. I was at the courthouse and posted my observations.

 

[Cherchri]

If you were able to listen to the audio Cherchri I posted up thread yesterday of the couple you overheard in court we now know to be C Hodgins and her spouse both from Canmore, it was very interesting. What we do know now is that they were speaking on behalf of JO and RO and had their blessing so to speak to do so.

Indeed! And as I said I heard Nancy Hixt ask CH so "to confirm, the family want to share this with the public"or words to that effect. CH confirmed.

 

[Salem]

Did some of you miss this post? I'm back reading from here and will be issuing TOs for those that thought sleuthing the innocent was a good idea and for those that continued to discuss the fundraising issue after being warned not too. If you have posts that fall within these 2 categories, you have about 5 minutes to clean them up.

Thanks,

Salem

Hi guys - just want to remind everyone that we don't discuss fundraising, whether or not one might be inclined to donate or post links to fundraising sites, without Management permission.

That's not our purpose here and there is no way to verify that any fundraising endeavor is legitimate.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Has anyone sleuthed Cherhill Resources (Inc./Ltd.?)that's mentioned in this article? Forgive if it's been discussed already, so much info. Probably not really relevant but what I found mentions Montana (filing state and obviously close to Alberta) and principal address is Calgary. The corp was filed in 1987, but on a certain business pedia type website, it says data updated April 17, 2014 (could be website data updated though).

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...glas-garland-over-patent-calgary-family-says/ from article:

"According to recently obtained files, Mr. Liknes claimed his financial misfortune was the result of a bad investment.

“I owned a company by the name of A.C.L. Resources Ltd. that lent substantial funds to related company Cherhill Resources, who in turn invested in a gold mine. Cherhill eventually went into bankruptcy. A.C.L. was unable to use the loss for tax purposes,” Mr. Liknes wrote. At the time A.C.L. owed money to Revenue Canada and was unable to pay the bill. (BBM)

“I am now faced with a large tax debt personally due to a reassessment that I am unable to pay." Mr. Liknes was also a majority owner of Cherhill Resources. The file showed he sold a lot on Vancouver Island for $32,000 to prop up the company. It went bankrupt shortly afterward. (BBM) Also, IIRC didn't DG have ties to Vancouver Island? Can't remember where I read that though…

I see sillybilly has Cherhill in his timeline, did anyone dig any further? Sorry my brain is mush some days.

 

[birdlady2]

I have wondered that myself, that if a person has to take medication for either mental problems, heart problems, high blood pressure etc. is it still administered by the prison doctor or does the inmate just sit there and get nothing? That doesn't seem right, no matter who they are or what they did. If they dropped dead, then nothing would be accomplished.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I googled Cherhill Resources Montana and the profile has field office of Helena, Montana (I think this was discussed already though). There's also an AL (not Alvin, but a similar name can't say on here because it's family) that came up on a person search that lives in Helena Montana as well. Connected to AL on the people search as a possible relation is a DL who lives in Helena, Montana.

I then googled the phone number listed for AL who lives in Helena and a company called Banker's Resource Center Inc. comes up although could be unrelated. One of the addresses for AL is quite similar to the Banker's Resource Center's address also, weird connections...

Not sleuthing family, just trying to connect possible dots and find company info and names attached, etc. Scratching my head….another 'coincidental' Montana connection although not too far out since MT is close to Alberta, is a MSM article described Cardston (where the MH car accident was) as a town close to the Montana border.

 

[otto]

I have wondered that myself, that if a person has to take medication for either mental problems, heart problems, high blood pressure etc. is it still administered by the prison doctor or does the inmate just sit there and get nothing? That doesn't seem right, no matter who they are or what they did. If they dropped dead, then nothing would be accomplished.

Prisoners receive medical care.

 

[otto]

I googled Cherhill Resources Montana and the profile has field office of Helena, Montana (I think this was discussed already though). There's also an AL (not Alvin, but a similar name can't say on here because it's family) that came up on a person search that lives in Helena Montana as well. Connected to AL on the people search as a possible relation is a DL who lives in Helena, Montana.

I then googled the phone number listed for AL who lives in Helena and a company called Banker's Resource Center Inc. comes up although could be unrelated. One of the addresses for AL is quite similar to the Banker's Resource Center's address also, weird connections...

Not sleuthing family, just trying to connect possible dots and find company info and names attached, etc. Scratching my head….another 'coincidental' Montana connection although not too far out since MT is close to Alberta, is a MSM article described Cardston (where the MH car accident was) as a town close to the Montana border.

In the context of motive in relation to finances:

Cherhill Resources Limited has an address in Calgary, most recently listed here: Business Associate List_Codes (ST104A) July 31, 2014. That same address has a construction business: Sintra Engineering. It's not surprising to see construction and engineering companies in the same sentence, and at the same address, in connection with Alvin Liknes.

"“I owned a company by the name of A.C.L. Resources Ltd. that lent substantial funds to related company Cherhill Resources, who in turn invested in a gold mine. Cherhill eventually went into bankruptcy. A.C.L. was unable to use the loss for tax purposes,” Mr. Liknes wrote. At the time A.C.L. owed money to Revenue Canada and was unable to pay the bill.

“I am now faced with a large tax debt personally due to a reassessment that I am unable to pay.”
...

Mr. Liknes’s bankruptcy was contentious.

Another item in his file showed that he was sued by a man named Harris N. Hanson, who claimed the businessman had made “material misrepresentations” that allegedly induced Mr. Hanson to advance $25,000 to Cherhill Resources Inc.

The bankruptcy file also revealed that Mr. Liknes was an employee of, and had been offered options to purchase shares in, a company called Granisko Resources Inc., which also subsequently went bankrupt."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...glas-garland-over-patent-calgary-family-says/

Given the dozen construction and oil companies that Alvin Liknes had over the last 10-15 years, the above information confirms my belief that money was moved from one company to another to represent a financial loss, that loss was used on paper as a tax write off, and the company that received the money was delisted - with the money disappearing. Revenue Canada did not accept all of his "paper" losses. It is also clear that there were "material misrepresentations" in terms of soliciting funds from investors. I suspect that there are many people today that are looking to recoup their financial losses after Alvin's company, Winter Petroleum, declared bankruptcy on June 25, 2014.

Material Misrepresentation: "this is the offence most often thought of when the term fraud is used." (link)

 

[sublimemumma]

Did some of you miss this post? I'm back reading from here and will be issuing TOs for those that thought sleuthing the innocent was a good idea and for those that continued to discuss the fundraising issue after being warned not too. If you have posts that fall within these 2 categories, you have about 5 minutes to clean them up.


Thanks,

Salem

I was trying to find my comment to delete but it seems to be gone already. Sorry for that.