Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

[PonderingNS]

Just to finish this train of thought heat also effects bones . A simple household oven at 250 for three hours breaks down the collagen. Without collagen, the bone is brittle and easy to break. ( science again)
Again gruesome but just to show that once you have a bare bone destroying it is easy

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I agree I have been wondering why her name was specifically identified as a case LE is looking into in regards to DG. It has to be something more than she was dumped in the general area of where he lives.More than 1 body has been dumped north of Airdrie why specifically mention that case if there is nothing to tie it to DG?

Was it mentioned because it remains an unsolved case, where others are not?

 

[Blue Amethyst]

Do you have a link for that? I had assume that he had simply retained possession of a false identity document.

Could it be possible that he had kept a credit card all those years? Somewhere before it was mentioned that he also had a separate mailing address that was close by. Perhaps that was to keep some information away from his parents if he shared a box with them. He could have paid the credit card with cash at a city bank where nobody knew him.

 

[bakerlady]

Could it be possible that he had kept a credit card all those years? Somewhere before it was mentioned that he also had a separate mailing address that was close by. Perhaps that was to keep some information away from his parents if he shared a box with them. He could have paid the credit card with cash at a city bank where nobody knew him.

It was a TD bank card and they did not become TD until 2008.

 

[Cherchri]

Just some questions and ponderings...

i)Cherchri or anyone else, I just wondered if there were any family members or other supporters of DG in attendance at his court date?

ii)I am not sure how things work/progress in the justice system, and so I looked back at the Millard case just to see.. but I can't even find where it is published when it was exactly, that Millard entered his plea of 'not-guilty' (or even if he has, as of yet?)- I can only find reference to the fact that he WILL be pleading not guilty (weird).. I just wondered.. is it odd that DG has not yet entered his plea, or is that something that waits until his legal defense has received full disclosure??

iii)Is it weird that DG's lawyer has not said something along the lines of, 'we will be defending this case zealously' (kind of quoted from what Millard's lawyer said), and further, nothing from the lawyer saying something like, 'DG will be pleading not guilty'..

iv)Is it weird that it seems like DG's lawyer is waiting on disclosure before deciding how to proceed (ie with a psych exam/bail request/etc)? Is that how it works? A lawyer doesn't bother listening to his client, he simply waits for disclosure? He was quoted in the Globe & Mail ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-of-missing-trio-shattered-as-suspect-makes-court-appearance/article20070677/ ) :

Note: IMOO, I would be anxious also to see the disclosure if it were 'me' in there, and especially if I had NOT commited the crime in question.

v)Has LE returned home from their investigative trip to Mexico? You would think if they had, that MSM would have been all over that. I can't find a word about it since it was first discovered on August 5/6? Has anyone else?

I can't say if anyone was there to support DG. I know what PG looks like and she was not there but I don't know what other family members look like. I did not see anyone elderly so parents were not there.

 

[deugirtni]

Off topic... I am going to be without my computer/internet for a few days and I want to keep up! Is there an easier way to keep updated from an iphone than going to 'safari' and following it that way? Does anyone know of any tips in that regard? TIA!

 

[deugirtni]

Hmm, interesting.. except that I suppose that really isn't an indication of either lack of support or support.. I can't help always thinking about the Millard/Bosma case, sorry.. but I get the impression that DM's mother is supportive of her son since I believe she visits him in jail, but I have never heard a report saying that she was at one of his court appearances. I wonder if DG's parents have visited him in jail. Mind you.. a horrible place to have to be, especially for elderly folks, I would think.

I can't say if anyone was there to support DG. I know what PG looks like and she was not there but I don't know what other family members look like. I did not see anyone elderly so parents were not there.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

It was a TD bank card and they did not become TD until 2008.

The Toronto Dominion (TD) bank has been around forever. I started my bank accounts there in approximately 1992. TD became TD-Canada Trust, and anything related to TD was automatically moved over to the new company TD-Canada Trust. I had my accounts there and didn't have to reapply for anything due to the change.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Just some questions and ponderings...

i)Cherchri or anyone else, I just wondered if there were any family members or other supporters of DG in attendance at his court date?

ii)I am not sure how things work/progress in the justice system, and so I looked back at the Millard case just to see.. but I can't even find where it is published when it was exactly, that Millard entered his plea of 'not-guilty' (or even if he has, as of yet?)- I can only find reference to the fact that he WILL be pleading not guilty (weird).. I just wondered.. is it odd that DG has not yet entered his plea, or is that something that waits until his legal defense has received full disclosure??

iii)Is it weird that DG's lawyer has not said something along the lines of, 'we will be defending this case zealously' (kind of quoted from what Millard's lawyer said), and further, nothing from the lawyer saying something like, 'DG will be pleading not guilty'..

iv)Is it weird that it seems like DG's lawyer is waiting on disclosure before deciding how to proceed (ie with a psych exam/bail request/etc)? Is that how it works? A lawyer doesn't bother listening to his client, he simply waits for disclosure? He was quoted in the Globe & Mail ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-of-missing-trio-shattered-as-suspect-makes-court-appearance/article20070677/ ) :

Note: IMOO, I would be anxious also to see the disclosure if it were 'me' in there, and especially if I had NOT commited the crime in question.

v)Has LE returned home from their investigative trip to Mexico? You would think if they had, that MSM would have been all over that. I can't find a word about it since it was first discovered on August 5/6? Has anyone else?

In Shane Parker's interview after the court appearance on August 14th, he was asked the question of whether or not LE had concluded their investigation in Mexico and he responded in an affirmative manner.

I agree. If I was in DG's shoes, I'ld be "anxious" to see the evidence as well, especially if I didn't do it. He would be wondering "what makes them think I did it?At least if he knew what their evidence was, he could have a decent proactive conversation with his lawyer. At this point, he doesn't even have the ability to do that. He's been sitting in the remand for over a month, and doesn't really know why they're considering him a suspect for sure. I have had the thought that if DG did in fact use drugs throughout the years, and continues to use them, maybe he was under the influence of them that night and doesn't have a clue what he did and if he did anything. There are instances of drinkers having blackouts, IMO, that would apply to drug use as well? I have no idea as I have absolutely no experience with recreational drugs.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Off topic... I am going to be without my computer/internet for a few days and I want to keep up! Is there an easier way to keep updated from an iphone than going to 'safari' and following it that way? Does anyone know of any tips in that regard? TIA!

I'm not 100% sure but if you download Tap-a-Talk, I believe WS operates through that platform as well on your phone. It does on mine although I have never actually used it yet. You could give it a try.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Just a question..
Regarding the staining on the sidewalk beside the L home.. how do we know that it was bodily fluids? And how do we know that it was a recent staining and not an older mess that had dried/faded? Have I missed articles stating either of those conclusions?

Not to my knowledge. There has been absolutely no release of any evidence from the crime scene. Just statements that they have collected evidence and some had been sent for forensic testing. Details of testing results and of what has been sent for testing have not been released. (unless I've missed something as well)

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Hmm, interesting.. except that I suppose that really isn't an indication of either lack of support or support.. I can't help always thinking about the Millard/Bosma case, sorry.. but I get the impression that DM's mother is supportive of her son since I believe she visits him in jail, but I have never heard a report saying that she was at one of his court appearances. I wonder if DG's parents have visited him in jail. Mind you.. a horrible place to have to be, especially for elderly folks, I would think.

There may be a lack of the appearance of DG's family at court for several reasons. It's possible that this has been an extremely stressful time and they are perhaps not well enough to come to the proceedings; or the public opinion of DG may be directed at them because of their relationship to him. I believe there are many people that would treat DG's family with respect, however, IMO, there are many more that would be casting accusatory looks, remarks, etc at them...I don't believe they would be that well received at that venue and this would definitely be way too stressful for them. Perhaps seeing him in that position would be way too stressful for them as well. It's a sad/scary time for them as well. I'm sure this would break any parents/sibling's hearts. JMO

 

[otto]

Not my point at all and I'm sure it was clear. A private room would prevent family from having to run the gauntlet with public and media. I know some courthouses have the facility and I shared the example. JO was in the building on Thursday but not in the courtroom. I wonder why she would go to the trouble of getting there and not attend so assume there was somewhere private for her to wait and possibly watch the proceedings as well

The courthouse has many private and public areas. The prosecutors offices are in the same building - a private area. There are many rooms available on those floors where the family could view the courtroom proceedings.

 

[otto]

Do you have a link for that? I had assume that he had simply retained possession of a false identity document.

I had assumed that when he was arrested and put in jail for having false identity documents that those documents were confiscated. Perhaps the police put the false papers amongst his belongings when he was put in jail and returned them to him when he was released.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

The indication by DG's lawyer that he is anxious to see the LE disclosures/evidence does not suggest that this simply is a behavior indicative of innocence.
I can tell you that I have a friend who is a Psychologist and has worked in the past at a high security prison in Canada (where Paul Bernardo was but has since been relocated due to closure of prison). As a Psychologist working in the prison, you are privy to sessions with inmates and I can tell you that criminals love to talk about their crimes in minute details for perverse satisfaction. It could simply be that suspect wants to relive the experience as unfathomable as it would seem to us. As well, it could also be a strategy for suspect in moving forward with the defense.

 

[otto]

Just some questions and ponderings...

i)Cherchri or anyone else, I just wondered if there were any family members or other supporters of DG in attendance at his court date?

ii)I am not sure how things work/progress in the justice system, and so I looked back at the Millard case just to see.. but I can't even find where it is published when it was exactly, that Millard entered his plea of 'not-guilty' (or even if he has, as of yet?)- I can only find reference to the fact that he WILL be pleading not guilty (weird).. I just wondered.. is it odd that DG has not yet entered his plea, or is that something that waits until his legal defense has received full disclosure??

iii)Is it weird that DG's lawyer has not said something along the lines of, 'we will be defending this case zealously' (kind of quoted from what Millard's lawyer said), and further, nothing from the lawyer saying something like, 'DG will be pleading not guilty'..

iv)Is it weird that it seems like DG's lawyer is waiting on disclosure before deciding how to proceed (ie with a psych exam/bail request/etc)? Is that how it works? A lawyer doesn't bother listening to his client, he simply waits for disclosure? He was quoted in the Globe & Mail ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-of-missing-trio-shattered-as-suspect-makes-court-appearance/article20070677/ ) :

Note: IMOO, I would be anxious also to see the disclosure if it were 'me' in there, and especially if I had NOT commited the crime in question.

v)Has LE returned home from their investigative trip to Mexico? You would think if they had, that MSM would have been all over that. I can't find a word about it since it was first discovered on August 5/6? Has anyone else?

After the hearing on Aug 14, the prosecutor briefly spoke with the media. He said that the investigation in Mexico is done.

The defence needs the discovery related to the arrest in order to understand why the client was arrested. It will lay out the evidence against the accused. After learning what the police know, the accused will make a decision whether it's in his best interests to plead guilty, not guilty, or to attempt to make a plea deal. I think it's just as well that the defence lawyer is not grandstanding.

 

[LoisLane]

Maybe they found some DNA in his truck? If she was a streetwalker on drugs, maybe he provided the drugs for her? It would make sense that she very well could've been in his vehicle. But why haven't they charged him with her murder yet? Waiting for testing results? You could be right, Otto. I would be surprised though...he may be a loner, he may have picked her up, but what would be his motivation to kill her? Surely to goodness if he is doing this for sport, he would've at least been a suspect...wouldn't LE have checked into the surrounding homes where her body was found, just as they did in this case? I don't know...but it does give pause for thought, that's for sure. Did he know her? Was she associated with KL maybe? If they were all from the same area, maybe they all knew each other? Hmmm, will check into this case too I think, sounds interesting.

I had read somewhere... (I dont have a link) that a suspect in the HM case was her landlord. Is it possible that DG was her landlord? He could have real estate investments and live comfortably off that while living at the acreage.

 

[otto]

Is there a link to a report stating they found her button in his fire pit?

No. I was exploring possibilities of why police think the same accused may be responsible for both murders and presented three different possibilities. That was one of them.

 

[otto]

Just a question..
Regarding the staining on the sidewalk beside the L home.. how do we know that it was bodily fluids? And how do we know that it was a recent staining and not an older mess that had dried/faded? Have I missed articles stating either of those conclusions?

"Drag marks could be seen near evidence tags on the walkway of a home where three people were reported missing Monday.

Police would not comment on the drag marks, which ran about eight metres from a side door to the driveway and appeared to be a dark liquid that was recently cleaned up."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/0...lgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing

 

[otto]

There may be a lack of the appearance of DG's family at court for several reasons. It's possible that this has been an extremely stressful time and they are perhaps not well enough to come to the proceedings; or the public opinion of DG may be directed at them because of their relationship to him. I believe there are many people that would treat DG's family with respect, however, IMO, there are many more that would be casting accusatory looks, remarks, etc at them...I don't believe they would be that well received at that venue and this would definitely be way too stressful for them. Perhaps seeing him in that position would be way too stressful for them as well. It's a sad/scary time for them as well. I'm sure this would break any parents/sibling's hearts. JMO

I understood that the accused has two sisters, neither of whom live in Calgary. The parents of the accused may also have been shown to a private viewing room if they were in the courthouse, but it's also possible that they understood that the hearing was for scheduling and that there was little reason to attend. Perhaps they are avoiding contact with the public at this time.