Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

[news.talk]

Are you sure this might not also be a case of "irresponsible reporting"? Human error made by the journalist? Have the police confirmed there was blood there, I honestly can't remember.

It was a TV interview. His remarks were his remarks.

 

[news.talk]

Sorry, I didn't know this was from a broadcast journalist as it was written in an article. So, no one edits these articles either? Well, that's good to know...what about information presented on the news? Should we believe that or not? No wonder I don't read the paper or the news anymore...clearly, it sounds like there's a lot of irresponsible reporting going on out there then. IMO
If a statement like this (which is pretty serious information) has not been asked by Legal to be either retracted or corrected, then is it not safe to assume that the statement can stand as valid information?

Has anyone asked the person that wrote that where they got the information? Has anyone asked the LE spokesperson if that information is true? Has anyone actually found out that it is NOT true?

Feel free to look-up internal media structure to answer the first part of your... statement.

As for whether the reporter's two words in a recap story were correct, the answer is that IMO, no one else notices or cares.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

No, I don't think so. IMO, no one would go out on a limb and say something as strong as that. That wasn't a mistake, that was definitely put in there from an understanding from somewhere. If it was a human error, another human would've caught it and I'm sure there would be a correction by now. That's a pretty bold statement to make in the press. JMO (What is an editor for?)

Here's the quote that started the discussion:

If the bodies were ground up, liquefied and whatever else on the Airdrie property, I'm sure that police would have found some evidence. They have not found any evidence of the bodies on the Airdrie acreage.

"Despite a massive search of multiple areas, including the Airdrie-area farm of Garland’s parents, no bodies have been discovered."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/08/1...gary-courtroom-today-on-liknes-obrien-murders

 

[goodasgold]

It was a TV interview. His remarks were his remarks.

Apparently there was also proof of the three victims leaving in the green truck, according to Allen. So either the truck held DNA of all three or they were caught on the camera in his truck. Or Allen just said what he assumed happened, just like the neighbor could have done. Maybe he assumed JO went to get Nathan and there was blood all over and she did not actually tell him that.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Are you sure this might not also be a case of "irresponsible reporting"? Human error made by the journalist? Have the police confirmed there was blood there, I honestly can't remember.

http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2014/07/24/gp-company-aiding-police-in-murder-investigation
Quite certain Greg Head was quoted correctly in this article.

 

[news.talk]

Oh, I thought that's what Cherchri said in the above quote. "Evidence has been removed from the acreage and has been sent to the crime lab in Edmonton for expedited processing" Normal forensic test results come back in approx. 4-6 weeks, expedited is what? 1-2? As noted before, the articles are approximately 5 weeks apart, there has been no indication that any confirmed forensic evidence was found at the acreage, so IMO, there wasn't any, just as the article states.

There is no way anyone can possibly state that without LE breaking SERIOUS protocols and being in contempt of court.

Again - No evidence can be reported after an arrest. Period.

 

[news.talk]

Because, he wasn't put on suicide watch until a day or two after getting there, and...he wasn't on suicide watch the first time he was being held. He hasn't spoken to LE, and it doesn't sound like he's spoken much to his lawyer, but IMO, KR could just be saying that to avoid a thousand questions. I don't think LE did it as a precaution, there's obviously a reason for it. Even if he didn't say something, doesn't mean LE didn't catch him trying to do something to himself. I don't think they put him on suicide watch from deductive reasoning...there was some logic behind it. JMO

Can you please show me a link that definitively states when he was put on SW?

I invite you to read or re-read the link I already provided you:

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/acts-and-regulations/843-cd-eng.shtml#s1

It states that all inmates are assessed within the first 24 hours. It also provides the policies and proceedures for what type of mental health treatment they can and cannot provide without a court order or corrections order.

I would also be VERY interested in a link for your source that stated that the suspect has not spoken at all to LE.

 

[dreamwatcher]

About the crime scene in the Liknes home:

Here is an article -http://globalnews.ca/news/1492641/search-for-missing-calgary-family-moves-to-mexico/

Snippets:

The moving truck was here and I came over to talk to the man, and he said ‘would you like to see the inside of the house?'” says Al, who didn’t want to give his last name. “He showed me around, and I noticed that rug was picked up and there was a lot of cleaning on the wall.
“The reason he was here, in his words, were the sale didn’t go that well and he was moving this stuff out.”

 

[otto]

Thank you for saving me the trouble of hauling out my soap-box.

If there was truly "no trace" of the victims at the acreage, then why does LE claim to have two crime scenes?

There was a report from the neighbour about someone burning something on the Airdrie acreage at the time of the murders. Isn't it possible that clothing and other evidence related to the murders was burned on the Airdrie acreage? It's also possible that computers held searches that relate to the murders.

 

[otto]

You have claimed there was no DNA evidence found at the acreage because one or two MSM outlets reported no complete bodies were found. Without deflecting, or dismissing, please explain how that theory stands up to even the most basic logic.

I haven't discussed DNA, as police have not released any information about DNA. The bodies have not been found, and police are still looking for remains.

 

[otto]

We do not know what evidence the LE is going by. We only seen one picture of the truck, who knows what the other pictures of the truck look like and what was in it at the time. Maybe they seen body parts, or bodies, or something to show that they were deceased when DG left the house. Or maybe they seen one of them alive leaving the house hence the 2 homicides on the crime map. There may have been cameras elsewhere that got the truck as well.

I guess what i am saying is some of LE's evidence may not just be forensics.

It's quite possible that there is another video shot of the truck with three bodies in the back.

 

[news.talk]

There was a report from the neighbour about someone burning something on the Airdrie acreage at the time of the murders. Isn't it possible that clothing and other evidence related to the murders was burned on the Airdrie acreage? It's also possible that computers held searches that relate to the murders.

Are you asking me? Because I have stated multiple times that the acreage is indeed a second crime scene for all the reasons both of us and more have listed. You are preaching to the choir.

 

[Cherchri]

Can I just take a minute to point out how well that was put together, how well the points were made on both sides, and how interesting an education we are all receiving in LE, investigations, court procedure and life in general with discussions like this...

Hear hear!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

You have claimed there was no DNA evidence found at the acreage because one or two MSM outlets reported no complete bodies were found. Without deflecting, or dismissing, please explain how that theory stands up to even the most basic logic.

I haven't discussed DNA, as police have not released any information about DNA. The bodies have not been found, and police are still looking for remains.

I asked for a discussion without deflection and dismissal, not an example of it. This will be the last post I make on this because it is a waste of time. Here you are claiming DNA, which is evidence of a body, was not found at the acreage.

If the bodies were ground up, liquefied and whatever else on the Airdrie property, I'm sure that police would have found some evidence. They have not found any evidence of the bodies on the Airdrie acreage.

"Despite a massive search of multiple areas, including the Airdrie-area farm of Garland’s parents, no bodies have been discovered."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/08/1...gary-courtroom-today-on-liknes-obrien-murders

 

[otto]

No, I don't think so. IMO, no one would go out on a limb and say something as strong as that. That wasn't a mistake, that was definitely put in there from an understanding from somewhere. If it was a human error, another human would've caught it and I'm sure there would be a correction by now. That's a pretty bold statement to make in the press. JMO (What is an editor for?)

In this video, starting at about 1 minute, the crown prosecutor says that the bodies have not been found, they're still looking, and they're encouraged by the lab results. He also says that the family came to the hearing on Aug 14 but left when they learned that it was a scheduling hearing ... so they were not shown to a private room. They simply left.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1507329/triple-murder-suspect-douglas-garland-to-make-court-appearance/

 

[otto]

Are you sure this might not also be a case of "irresponsible reporting"? Human error made by the journalist? Have the police confirmed there was blood there, I honestly can't remember.

"Greg moved to Calgary in 2005 and lives next door to Nathan’s parents, Rod and Jennifer O’Brien. ...

If the bodies are on the acreage, Greg says the technology will find them

“You always hear people say, ‘Our worst fear is outliving our child,’ and you know in this case it’s even compounded. I mean, you start with June (30), Jen goes to pick up Nathan and there’s lots of blood and no one there. And that’s where it starts and then for two weeks…you have some hope and then you don’t have hope,” said Greg."


http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2014/07/24/gp-company-aiding-police-in-murder-investigation

 

[Cherchri]

Oh, I thought that's what Cherchri said in the above quote. "Evidence has been removed from the acreage and has been sent to the crime lab in Edmonton for expedited processing" Normal forensic test results come back in approx. 4-6 weeks, expedited is what? 1-2? As noted before, the articles are approximately 5 weeks apart, there has been no indication that any confirmed forensic evidence was found at the acreage, so IMO, there wasn't any, just as the article states.

Just for the record that was my post but not what I said.... That is quoting Brookwell, police spokesperson. An extract from the link I provided on the post.

 

[otto]

I asked for a discussion without deflection and dismissal, not an example of it. This will be the last post I make on this because it is a waste of time. Here you are claiming DNA, which is evidence of a body, was not found at the acreage.

I specifically said "bodies", with no mention of DNA. DNA is a skin cell, so I don't equate DNA with a body, or remains.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I specifically said "bodies", with no mention of DNA. DNA is a skin cell, so I don't equate DNA with a body, or remains.

That's weird, because the sentence before your bold claim discusses possible remains, and then you claim there were no remains on the acreage... DNA or not, you're still making the same unsubstantiated claim that was initially refuted.

If the bodies were ground up, liquefied and whatever else on the Airdrie property, I'm sure that police would have found some evidence. They have not found any evidence of the bodies on the Airdrie acreage.

"Despite a massive search of multiple areas, including the Airdrie-area farm of Garland’s parents, no bodies have been discovered."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/08/1...gary-courtroom-today-on-liknes-obrien-murders

Please Google "Where does DNA come from" and "fish in a barrel definition".

 

[otto]

Can you please show me a link that definitively states when he was put on SW?

I invite you to read or re-read the link I already provided you:

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/acts-and-regulations/843-cd-eng.shtml#s1

It states that all inmates are assessed within the first 24 hours. It also provides the policies and proceedures for what type of mental health treatment they can and cannot provide without a court order or corrections order.

I would also be VERY interested in a link for your source that stated that the suspect has not spoken at all to LE.

July 18, 2014
"Douglas Garland on suicide watch, as search for missing family continues ...

Global News has learned that Garland is currently on suicide watch at the Calgary Remand Centre. While Alberta Justice and the Solicitor General say they can’t comment on specific cases, they do say:

“Every offender is assessed by a health care professional upon arrival. If the health care professional determines that an offender is at risk for self-harm, that individual would be placed on observation in a specialized area.”

Garland is being monitored 24 hours a day."

http://globalnews.ca/news/1460733/d...watch-as-search-for-missing-family-continues/