Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #14

[Slebby]

Isn't there something about having to live in Canada for six months of the year in order to qualify, or can anyone that is a Canadian citizen live anywhere in the world full time, and have the option of accessing the Canadian health care system for the cost of a plane ticket? I wonder how many people keep a cheap, permanent address in Canada but live more or less full time in another country. Is it believable that Alvin - the oil/gas/construction man, and Kathryn - pillar of her community, are going to downsize to an old house in the middle of nowhere? It's possible, I suppose, but does it seem realistic that they planned to live the Mexico retiree life and the little shack in the sticks life?

Yes, I believe you are correct about the "6 months of the year" requirement, but I don't know the details (not yet old enough to have looked into it, lol) I actually think the 6 month stipulation may have to do more with continuity of access to Canadian health care, but again, not sure.

I think Evansburg is about an hour away from Edmonton. Don't the Likneses have ties to Evansburg? Maybe that's why they chose it. Or perhaps they wanted a cheap home for the short term that they can later sell once the dust settles from their financial setbacks. In other words, this wasn't intended as the last house they ever own in Canada.

 

[CentralAlberta]

Isn't there something about having to live in Canada for six months of the year in order to qualify, or can anyone that is a Canadian citizen live anywhere in the world full time, and have the option of accessing the Canadian health care system for the cost of a plane ticket? I wonder how many people keep a cheap, permanent address in Canada but live more or less full time in another country. Is it believable that Alvin - the oil/gas/construction man, and Kathryn - pillar of her community, are going to downsize to an old house in the middle of nowhere? It's possible, I suppose, but does it seem realistic that they planned to live the Mexico retiree life and the little shack in the sticks life?

You can do wonders through renovations.

 

[Power of Two]

Isn't there something about having to live in Canada for six months of the year in order to qualify, or can anyone that is a Canadian citizen live anywhere in the world full time, and have the option of accessing the Canadian health care system for the cost of a plane ticket? I wonder how many people keep a cheap, permanent address in Canada but live more or less full time in another country. Is it believable that Alvin - the oil/gas/construction man, and Kathryn - pillar of her community, are going to downsize to an old house in the middle of nowhere? It's possible, I suppose, but does it seem realistic that they planned to live the Mexico retiree life and the little shack in the sticks life?

Here are a couple of links explaining the length of time allowable for travel out of Canada and also Alberta medical coverage for travellers. However.. just because these are the legal and formal guidelines to which most people adhere, there is nothing stopping anyone from staying out of Canada for longer periods of time. Doing so would run the risk of voiding your medical coverage if you run into difficulties after the allowed number of days away. And it is frowned upon by Big Brother.

http://www.health.alberta.ca/AHCIP/outside-coverage.html
http://travelinsurancefile.com/headlines/how-long-can-canadians-stay-out-of-the-country/

 

[Krystine]

Isn't there something about having to live in Canada for six months of the year in order to qualify, or can anyone that is a Canadian citizen live anywhere in the world full time, and have the option of accessing the Canadian health care system for the cost of a plane ticket? I wonder how many people keep a cheap, permanent address in Canada but live more or less full time in another country. Is it believable that Alvin - the oil/gas/construction man, and Kathryn - pillar of her community, are going to downsize to an old house in the middle of nowhere? It's possible, I suppose, but does it seem realistic that they planned to live the Mexico retiree life and the little shack in the sticks life?

I don't see the L's hunkering down in a little box like the one in Evansburg either. It's quite possible that in her real estate travels KL came across this small town property that was a 'steal' and if she could reduce the price further by the amount of the real estate commission, (7%), it might have been a good little revenue property for them.
It's not unusual for agents to have opportunities to purchase. At one time in Alberta you could just take over a mortgage and buy a property with a few dollars down. It was the last province in which you could do that.

 

[Krystine]

How does the accused's rights factor in here? How does one get charged with a murder that hasn't even occurred in your scenario?

What can a traumatized 5 year old child offer that could stand up against cross examination, that would allow for all this to take place and be considered worth the gross miscarriage of justice?

If this was at all plausible, I ask again for you to please provide some reference from ANY case that allowed the circumventing of laws and the rights of the accused.

I think I remember a case like that on Perry Mason. Mind you, I was 7,... I could be mistaken.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Here are a couple of links explaining the length of time allowable for travel out of Canada and also Alberta medical coverage for travellers. However.. just because these are the legal and formal guidelines to which most people adhere, there is nothing stopping anyone from staying out of Canada for longer periods of time. Doing so would run the risk of voiding your medical coverage if you run into difficulties after the allowed number of days away. And it is frowned upon by Big Brother.

http://www.health.alberta.ca/AHCIP/outside-coverage.html
http://travelinsurancefile.com/headlines/how-long-can-canadians-stay-out-of-the-country/

Thanks Power of Two, as well it would be prudent for anyone to be aware of the following
http://www.cba.ca/en/consumer-infor...mental-agreement-iga-information-for-clients-

 

[appleeye]

I wish there was some news... any news in this case... seems to have went cold...

 

[Krystine]

I wish there was some news... any news in this case... seems to have went cold...

It has been sleuthed every which way, with every possible angle covered from the very start. Posters have done an amazing job clarifying and sharing theories. As someone on another thread stated, " if anything fishy ever happens to me, you need to contact WS."

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I wish there was some news... any news in this case... seems to have went cold...

http://m.airdriecityview.com/articl...se-makes-court-appearance&template=JQMArticle

"“We’ve set the next date into September just to allow Mr. Ross to take an initial view of that disclosure and then we’ll in a better position to schedule the length of time for the next step, which is a preliminary inquiry,” he added.

Parker said the amount of evidence is “voluminous” and that his office continues to receive lab results. He said he expects the preliminary inquiry to take six to eight months because of the volume of evidence."

Anyone still want to debate nothing was found at the acreage?

 

[Slebby]

http://m.airdriecityview.com/articl...se-makes-court-appearance&template=JQMArticle

"“We’ve set the next date into September just to allow Mr. Ross to take an initial view of that disclosure and then we’ll in a better position to schedule the length of time for the next step, which is a preliminary inquiry,” he added.

Parker said the amount of evidence is “voluminous” and that his office continues to receive lab results. He said he expects the preliminary inquiry to take six to eight months because of the volume of evidence."

Anyone still want to debate nothing was found at the acreage?

Nope.

 

[news.talk]

http://m.airdriecityview.com/articl...se-makes-court-appearance&template=JQMArticle

"“We’ve set the next date into September just to allow Mr. Ross to take an initial view of that disclosure and then we’ll in a better position to schedule the length of time for the next step, which is a preliminary inquiry,” he added.

Parker said the amount of evidence is “voluminous” and that his office continues to receive lab results. He said he expects the preliminary inquiry to take six to eight months because of the volume of evidence."

Anyone still want to debate nothing was found at the acreage?

The question remains, WHAT did they find at the acreage. Was it evidence of premeditation, bloody clothing, or did they find evidence that the bodies were there at some point?

In my experience, whenever they roll out the tent (which they did) it's to preserve evidence and usually it is indicative of finding human remains. It leaves the question - will these bodies ever be found or have they determined there is nothing to be found?

 

[Cherchri]

http://m.airdriecityview.com/articl...se-makes-court-appearance&template=JQMArticle

"“We’ve set the next date into September just to allow Mr. Ross to take an initial view of that disclosure and then we’ll in a better position to schedule the length of time for the next step, which is a preliminary inquiry,” he added.

Parker said the amount of evidence is “voluminous” and that his office continues to receive lab results. He said he expects the preliminary inquiry to take six to eight months because of the volume of evidence."

Anyone still want to debate nothing was found at the acreage?

Touché! Like you, I was never in any doubt as to the volumes of evidence. I don't doubt it will be gruesome either. :gasp:

 

[news.talk]

Touché! Like you, I was never in any doubt as to the volumes of evidence. I don't doubt it will be gruesome either. :gasp:

Have you noticed in your career, that when LE is especially quiet about the details of the case, it tends to end up an especially gruesome crime?

I find they tend to be more sensitive surrounding children that have suffered atrocious murders, so that the media doesn't sensationalize the details.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

I am not sure if this old photo was posted before.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/File...thy+Liknes+their+grandson/10005816/story.html

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The question remains, WHAT did they find at the acreage. Was it evidence of premeditation, bloody clothing, or did they find evidence that the bodies were there at some point?

In my experience, whenever they roll out the tent (which they did) it's to preserve evidence and usually it is indicative of finding human remains. It leaves the question - will these bodies ever be found or have they determined there is nothing to be found?

We can assume since they are still searching, that they have determined that there is more to be found... then refer back to the "they don't know what they're looking for" thread.

 

[Slebby]

Have you noticed in your career, that when LE is especially quiet about the details of the case, it tends to end up an especially gruesome crime?

I find they tend to be more sensitive surrounding children that have suffered atrocious murders, so that the media doesn't sensationalize the details.

I know I'm biased, but it's a uniquely Canadian LE standard that truly impresses me.
IMHO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

AFAIK, that's a different DG of Toronto. Patent application date was 1978 (our DG would have only been 18 y.o.). I am not aware of any patents related to our DG.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up sillybilly, I wasn't sure if it was the same DG or not, good to know it's not. I wonder why there aren't any patents related to DG? If he was so smart and had ideas to contribute to AL's patents, why didn't DG file any himself? Maybe because he had a criminal record? I'm curious as to why he wouldn't go his own way with any ideas he had.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Not sure about the patent but you may be on to something with the alias. Bob is a nickname for Robert. So he could have very well used DBG.

I guess it's not the same DG, sillybilly cleared it up for me as I wasn't sure. I'm still trying to find other aliases DG might've used though….

 

[otto]

I know I'm biased, but it's a uniquely Canadian LE standard that truly impresses me.
IMHO

Britain and some European countries are the same. With the murder of Joanna Yeates in Bristol, only the first name of the suspect could be released (more was, but it could not officially be published until trial), and the details of the murder only came out during trial. With Joran van der Sloot, only his first name was released by the Dutch, but the US media wouldn't respect the laws of Aruba and published so much information that Aruban authorities were somewhat governed by how much information the suspects were given during the investigation through daily US media releases. In some ways, the US media kept forcing the hand of the investigators, only to then criticize investigators for failing to solve the case. Pre-trial interference in a police investigation has never, in my opinion, worked in favour of the prosecution. Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson are two classic examples where there was daily media coverage, full disclosure of evidence prior to trial, and verdicts that dumbfounded the world.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

http://m.airdriecityview.com/articl...se-makes-court-appearance&template=JQMArticle

"“We’ve set the next date into September just to allow Mr. Ross to take an initial view of that disclosure and then we’ll in a better position to schedule the length of time for the next step, which is a preliminary inquiry,” he added.

Parker said the amount of evidence is “voluminous” and that his office continues to receive lab results. He said he expects the preliminary inquiry to take six to eight months because of the volume of evidence."

Anyone still want to debate nothing was found at the acreage?

"Voluminous" could also relate to hard drives/multiple computers, buried forensic technological evidence that's possibly encrypted, identity and financial forensics that's could be an interwoven web to untangle and what-not, that word opens up a whole lot of imagination. But the fact that he mentioned lab results makes me think biological evidence sadly. I'm still curious if they found anything at the old Cam Clarke Ford dealership and that surrounding area, strange area to look if you ask me.