Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #14

[Tinkerbel1]

Just voicing my thoughts here but has anyone else thought that the bodies would have been found by now if LE were actively looking?
I know LE said they would continue searching but do we know if they actually are via any current msm reports?

The following was posted by Otto yesterday, however, it doesn't indicate that they are actually actively looking now, nor where they may be looking either. So, I have a feeling that the search effort has likely been wound down. JMO due to lack of indication where exactly they are looking.

August 20, 2014

"Police have been searching for the bodies of Alvin and Kathryn Liknes and Nathan O’Brien since they disappeared at the end of June. ... Despite what they’re up against, Cavilla says they continue to push for closure.

“The investigators continue to work diligently and long hours, until such time we’re able to provide answers to the family.”"
http://globalnews.ca/news/1518228/hi...lice-officers/

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I have a really hard time believing the police chief would use his comments 'piece by piece by piece' to hint towards body parts. I doubt he was so tricky with his words, he may as well just said, 'We have blood and DNA results that confirm the deaths of three victims', but he hasn't said this either.

I think the Police Chief was referring to the "building of the case" or "going through the investigation" piece by piece by piece...not "looking for the bodies" piece by piece by piece.

 

[Cherchri]

I have a really hard time believing the police chief would use his comments 'piece by piece by piece' to hint towards body parts. I doubt he was so tricky with his words, he may as well just said, 'We have blood and DNA results that confirm the deaths of three victims', but he hasn't said this either.

Here is the excerpt and the link follows: “This investigation started with very little information,” Hanson said. “In one of the first press conferences we had it was referred to as a mystery. This investigation . . . has been a painstaking investigation, it has been pursuing 900 tips plus investigative leads that have been forthcoming . . . this file has been built piece by piece.” http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/10...and-will-be-charged-in-calgary-triple-murder/

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I'm assuming he is very arrogant. He took the government to court without a lawyer. IMO this embodies arrogance.

Or, someone who is intelligent enough to know the law and to know what his rights are. I know several people who have represented themselves against the prosecution in court successfully, just because they knew the laws, they knew their rights, and wanted to opt out of paying high legal costs. All you need is a really good argument, and an intelligence level to point your argument out successfully to the judge. It appears that there are many people on this site that are capable of doing that. IMO, I don't necessarily think you have to be arrogant to stand up for your beliefs.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

We have no way of knowing if a one time exposure tanye and chemicals would compromise a rural septic system. But for all we know, the septic might have backed up, which could explain DG's elderly parents having vacated the house for so long.
Maybe the evidence is of that nature. Maybe one explanation for the hazmat suits??
I think it's a viable theory, ...whether you want to believe a 'science guy' could calculate that, and maybe throw something alive in there to maintain the balance...or whether someone in the adrenaline rush of having murdered 3 people would even be considering possible septic problems.

One would have to be some kind of stupid to go through the trouble of reducing bodies... no matter how it was done... and then dispose of the waste on your own property like in a septic tank or bunker.

The most probable scenario is an attempted reduction that did not go well, and a dump of what was left in a remote location. Although some keep insisting nothing was found at the acreage, it almost defies logic to think they can tie it to DG without something on the property. His vehicle could have been borrowed or stolen, so if the only evidence is in the house and truck, then LE would have to proceed carefully. Unless he left his own DNA at the scene, there would be nothing concrete, and nothing to explain the "voluminous" amount of evidence.

 

[LoisLane]

I think the Police Chief was referring to the "building of the case" or "going through the investigation" piece by piece by piece...not "looking for the bodies" piece by piece by piece.

Yes, I agree.

 

[LoisLane]

Here is the excerpt and the link follows: “This investigation started with very little information,” Hanson said. “In one of the first press conferences we had it was referred to as a mystery. This investigation . . . has been a painstaking investigation, it has been pursuing 900 tips plus investigative leads that have been forthcoming . . . this file has been built piece by piece.” http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/10...and-will-be-charged-in-calgary-triple-murder/

Thanks for the link, my comment was for bakerlady. I understand the comments from LE.

 

[kaley]

Now that would be an idea wouldn't it? Like you said no one would be the wiser if they're a common sight on the prairie scenery, people could be driving by them and not even know it. I'm assuming these are only seen on the animal/livestock farms? Sorry, probably a stupid question but wasn't sure if you mean farm animals or pest animals, and is this legal or are farmers expected to take the animals to that animal incinerator we saw photos of?

When AL was interviewed (the video where he was on his bike ) I believe he said he was looking for piles of rock. I will find the quote or the link to the video.

 

[kaley]

When AL was interviewed (the video where he was on his bike ) I believe he said he was looking for piles of rock. I will find the quote or the link to the video.

Yes here it is about 1/3 into the video. AL says he is looking for rock piles that look like they have recently been moved.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/allen-liknes-continues-searching-parents-002502849.html

 

[Krystine]

One would have to be some kind of stupid to go through the trouble of reducing bodies... no matter how it was done... and then dispose of the waste on your own property like in a septic tank or bunker.

The most probable scenario is an attempted reduction that did not go well, and a dump of what was left in a remote location. Although some keep insisting nothing was found at the acreage, it almost defies logic to think they can tie it to DG without something on the property. His vehicle could have been borrowed or stolen, so if the only evidence is in the house and truck, then LE would have to proceed carefully. Unless he left his own DNA at the scene, there would be nothing concrete, and nothing to explain the "voluminous" amount of evidence.

Stupid, genius,...we are only guessing about this person. It's been mentioned before on here, that DG had no way of knowing he would be under surveillance on the Liknes' street that night, and that he'd be brought in within a day or two.
Maybe he considered disposing of the remains in two steps was a fool proof plan, that LE would be baffled. Maybe he thought it was still a world of 'no bodies=no sentence'.
Many of us here are baffled, because bodies don't just vaporize. He has done something right, IMO but that is to be seen.
At this stage I'm not married to either theory, I'm sitting squarely on the fence and not even leaning.

 

[Jay78]

This is totally hearsay and I'm not sure I buy it myself, but my uncle has a friend who is former CPS (Calgary Police Service). This man told my uncle that the bodies (or what was left of them) were found early into the investigation. I know this has been speculated at here, but just thought I would throw this is as I've been rolling it over in my head for weeks. I don't know what to think, but I do know this individual I am speaking of is well connected and credible.

Unless I'm missing something,it has been surprising to me that NO's parents have not directly spoken to the media or released a statement regarding hope for finding their child's body for proper burial etc... maybe they already know his fate? I dont know...

 

[LoisLane]

This is totally hearsay and I'm not sure I buy it myself, but my uncle has a friend who is former CPS (Calgary Police Service). This man told my uncle that the bodies (or what was left of them) were found early into the investigation. I know this has been speculated at here, but just thought I would throw this is as I've been rolling it over in my head for weeks. I don't know what to think, but I do know this individual I am speaking of is well connected and credible.

Unless I'm missing something,it has been surprising to me that NO's parents have not directly spoken to the media or released a statement regarding hope for finding their child's body for proper burial etc... maybe they already know his fate? I dont know...

If this is true why would LE mislead the public? Is that acceptable under any circumstance? If this is true I am relieved and hopeful that it was bodies and hopeful they were intact. But I am not sure this makes sense.

 

[Jay78]

If this is true why would LE mislead the public? Is that acceptable under any circumstance? If this is true I am relieved and hopeful that it was bodies and hopeful they were intact. But I am not sure this makes sense.

I have asked myself the very same questions. I am not knowledgeable or experienced enough in the legal side to know if such misleading behavior would be illegal/unethical.

One thing that did get me thinking--perhaps LE discouraged the civilian searches for this very reason--there was nothing left to be found. However, I fully admit that I think it more probably that the former officer I am speaking of was perhaps speculating or had heard a rumor and taken it to be fact. I am, however, somewhat surprised at just the lack of information...it might be just me, but it seems like, with most other cases, such as Tori Stafford for instance, there are usually updates given on searches taking place, speculative theories etc... but the only news I have noted regarding the case is that LE expanded the investigation into Mexico which is very old news at this point...

 

[Slebby]

In what way is LE misleading anyone? It seems to me they're just not saying anything.
IMHO

 

[LoisLane]

I have asked myself the very same questions. I am not knowledgeable or experienced enough in the legal side to know if such misleading behavior would be illegal/unethical.

One thing that did get me thinking--perhaps LE discouraged the civilian searches for this very reason--there was nothing left to be found. However, I fully admit that I think it more probably that the former officer I am speaking of was perhaps speculating or had heard a rumor and taken it to be fact. I am, however, somewhat surprised at just the lack of information...it might be just me, but it seems like, with most other cases, such as Tori Stafford for instance, there are usually updates given on searches taking place, speculative theories etc... but the only news I have noted regarding the case is that LE expanded the investigation into Mexico which is very old news at this point...

During interviews Police Chief Hansen has stated that they came to the conclusion it was now a homicide even though they have not recovered the bodies. I strongly believe they could not ever mislead the public in such a way (that they do have the bodies). It would be a huge breach of trust and could jeopardize any future cases of missing people, along with so many other endless problems this would cause.

 

[news.talk]

I have asked myself the very same questions. I am not knowledgeable or experienced enough in the legal side to know if such misleading behavior would be illegal/unethical.

One thing that did get me thinking--perhaps LE discouraged the civilian searches for this very reason--there was nothing left to be found. However, I fully admit that I think it more probably that the former officer I am speaking of was perhaps speculating or had heard a rumor and taken it to be fact. I am, however, somewhat surprised at just the lack of information...it might be just me, but it seems like, with most other cases, such as Tori Stafford for instance, there are usually updates given on searches taking place, speculative theories etc... but the only news I have noted regarding the case is that LE expanded the investigation into Mexico which is very old news at this point...

Since they can't LEGALLY make such statements, I can assure you that this is rumour or speculation. If it was discovered by this officer's superiors that he compromised a case before the courts, he would be severely reprimanded if not suspended. Cops gossip just like the rest of us, and not every cop is privy to the details of an investigation unless they are directly involved. In most cases, they know no more than we do.

If ANY remains were found, I have no doubt the family would have given them a funeral by this point.

ETA: Sorry, I missed the part where he was FORMER CPS.... That only confirms to me that this is speculation.

 

[news.talk]

One would have to be some kind of stupid to go through the trouble of reducing bodies... no matter how it was done... and then dispose of the waste on your own property like in a septic tank or bunker.

The most probable scenario is an attempted reduction that did not go well, and a dump of what was left in a remote location. Although some keep insisting nothing was found at the acreage, it almost defies logic to think they can tie it to DG without something on the property. His vehicle could have been borrowed or stolen, so if the only evidence is in the house and truck, then LE would have to proceed carefully. Unless he left his own DNA at the scene, there would be nothing concrete, and nothing to explain the "voluminous" amount of evidence.

I have a feeling that the victim's DNA was found at the acreage - more than likely on the suspect's clothing or truck. They may have found tarps or bedding as well, but something tells me they haven't found evidence of the bodies in reduced form or we would have heard that they conclude there are no bodies left to find.

I think they have their own speculations as to the form the bodies will or will not be found in, but we won't hear ANYTHING until trial.

 

[LoisLane]

I have a feeling that the victim's DNA was found at the acreage - more than likely on the suspect's clothing or truck. They may have found tarps or bedding as well, but something tells me they haven't found evidence of the bodies in reduced form or we would have heard that they conclude there are no bodies left to find.

I think they have their own speculations as to the form the bodies will or will not be found in, but we won't hear ANYTHING until trial.

If LE did find bodies before trial would we be informed of that?

 

[news.talk]

If LE did find bodies before trial would we be informed of that?

Absolutely! That in no way compromises the case, in fact, I would imagined it would only strengthen it. I can't imagine a scenario where keeping that information serves the best interest of a case.

 

[deugirtni]

During a recent trip to a friend's cottage, wouldn't you know that we had to call to have the septic pumped? We had asked him about buying that enzyme powder which the owner knew nothing about, and the worker told us that there are many ways to keep a septic tank in order; he said his own brother throws some 'liver' in.. I'm not sure if he meant.. down the loo, or into the septic tank itself.. I said.. 'did you say, 'liver'???' and he said yes.. it creates bacteria which eats the solids. Wild!

Re: compromising the septic system...it's gruesome, but if you ask the rural septic tank people, they will tell you the best thing to keep your septic system cleared is to throw a cat into the septic tank every year...I got that from the guy who claims to be #1 in the Number 2 business.
No, we didn't...but that has stuck in my mind for a lot of years...