Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #15

[otto]

Such a lasting and generous gesture to have scholarships in the memory of each victim.

The victims were young artists, musicians, a ballerina, and an engineer, so the money will be put into the Arts, which is a fantastic tribute - and it ensures that the victims are never forgotten.

I have wondered whether the Obrien/Liknes families will establish a tribute of some sort, perhaps in Stanley Park ... like a Bench.
For example, another case on this forum is about two missing girls, Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins. The bodies were found, there has been no arrest, but the families have been working hard (fundraising) to create a park in their memory. This statue was recently added to the park in their memory.

It's worth noting that they vanished on July 13, 2012, and their remains were found 20 miles away on Dec 5, 2012. It usually takes a long time, and a lot of luck, to find the remains of victims that have been hidden in secluded rural areas.

Photo Link: http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/st...cle_9178d84c-64af-583f-a1e6-ee9fc76135e1.html

 

[otto]

This is a link to a memorial park that was established for Jessica Ridgeway, who was abducted and murdered on Oct 5, 2012.
http://www.terracon.com/2013/09/denver-office-contributes-to-memorial-park-project/

It seems like a nice tribute and memorial for a young child that is a murder victim.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

The victims were young artists, musicians, a ballerina, and an engineer, so the money will be put into the Arts, which is a fantastic tribute - and it ensures that the victims are never forgotten.

I have wondered whether the Obrien/Liknes families will establish a tribute of some sort, perhaps in Stanley Park ... like a Bench.For example, another case on this forum is about two missing girls, Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins. The bodies were found, there has been no arrest, but the families have been working hard (fundraising) to create a park in their memory. This statue was recently added to the park in their memory.

It's worth noting that they vanished on July 13, 2012, and their remains were found 20 miles away on Dec 5, 2012. It usually takes a long time, and a lot of luck, to find the remains of victims that have been hidden in secluded rural areas.

Photo Link: http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/st...cle_9178d84c-64af-583f-a1e6-ee9fc76135e1.html

There's a nice idea Perhaps one of the Trust Funds will be dedicated to this I actually just saw a sculpture today of what looked like grandparents sitting on a bench and a little grandson standing at their knees...that would be a lovely tribute.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I'm really curious as to why there are absolutely no updates to the Liknes/O'Brien case besides memorial dates. There is no information as to whether or not Defense Lawyer KR has received disclosure documentation, there's no clear information as to where the search has taken LE now and there's no update information on DG status as to his 'suicide watch'. For such a big case, there's surprisingly little information. Surely to goodness, a teeny bit of current information isn't going to hurt the integrity of the case. Why so quiet?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm really curious as to why there are absolutely no updates to the Liknes/O'Brien case besides memorial dates. There is no information as to whether or not Defense Lawyer KR has received disclosure documentation, there's no clear information as to where the search has taken LE now and there's no update information on DG status as to his 'suicide watch'. For such a big case, there's surprisingly little information. Surely to goodness, a teeny bit of current information isn't going to hurt the integrity of the case. Why so quiet?

It does seem eerily quiet doesn't it? Calm before the storm? The storm being the upcoming court date which might re-open fresh unhealed wounds for the family and an onslaught of media. Or maybe it'll be a quick and quiet court procedure.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The victims were young artists, musicians, a ballerina, and an engineer, so the money will be put into the Arts, which is a fantastic tribute - and it ensures that the victims are never forgotten.

I have wondered whether the Obrien/Liknes families will establish a tribute of some sort, perhaps in Stanley Park ... like a Bench.
For example, another case on this forum is about two missing girls, Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins. The bodies were found, there has been no arrest, but the families have been working hard (fundraising) to create a park in their memory. This statue was recently added to the park in their memory.

It's worth noting that they vanished on July 13, 2012, and their remains were found 20 miles away on Dec 5, 2012. It usually takes a long time, and a lot of luck, to find the remains of victims that have been hidden in secluded rural areas.

Photo Link: http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/st...cle_9178d84c-64af-583f-a1e6-ee9fc76135e1.html

Good idea otto, I hope the Liknes/O'Briens do some sort of tribute like you mentioned.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm finding it eerily quiet also.. and I'm noticing no news or mention of how the fundraising efforts are going, which were highlighted recently by the friend of KL's. Was there a tally being kept (publicly) somewhere?

 

[deugirtni]

Something today took me back to reading one of the many articles about this case.. and I noticed.. oh yes, it was I guess how the friend of KL's was quoted when saying she was starting yet another fundraising effort.. because it is needed.. because the L's have 6 children.. and x number of grandchildren.. and I thought to myself.. but.. they are all adults, living on their own, no? It's not like they have left 6 juveniles in need of care. Just struck me as odd. Probably already discussed. Sorry if it has been, just kind of stood out to me today for some reason.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Something today took me back to reading one of the many articles about this case.. and I noticed.. oh yes, it was I guess how the friend of KL's was quoted when saying she was starting yet another fundraising effort.. because it is needed.. because the L's have 6 children.. and x number of grandchildren.. and I thought to myself.. but.. they are all adults, living on their own, no? It's not like they have left 6 juveniles in need of care. Just struck me as odd. Probably already discussed. Sorry if it has been, just kind of stood out to me today for some reason.

I hear ya…There was quite the discussion here on WS after KL's friend spoke to the press about the trust fund I think it was.

The fundraising topic was kind of polarizing with opinions, it rubbed some people the wrong way and other's not and also KL's friend in question's character was questioned and debated. Not sure I myself want to comment and open up that can or worms again lol

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I'm really curious as to why there are absolutely no updates to the Liknes/O'Brien case besides memorial dates. There is no information as to whether or not Defense Lawyer KR has received disclosure documentation, there's no clear information as to where the search has taken LE now and there's no update information on DG status as to his 'suicide watch'. For such a big case, there's surprisingly little information. Surely to goodness, a teeny bit of current information isn't going to hurt the integrity of the case. Why so quiet?

Because a teeny bit of current information released can potentially hurt the case for either side.

The public interest in Canada seems to come second to the accused's right to a fair trial... which can be debated endlessly as to whether that is the right order. However, first it must be defined as to what is in the public interest, and why.

There is no reason for the defence to disclose anything to the public about the evidence they received, or what they think about it. They will save that for court in the form or a plea, or a motion.

The crown stated after the last court appearance that they will be providing the defence the "voluminous" amounts of evidence they have within a day or two of the statement... it's safe to assume they have it.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I hear ya…There was quite the discussion here on WS after KL's friend spoke to the press about the trust fund I think it was.

The fundraising topic was kind of polarizing with opinions, it rubbed some people the wrong way and other's not and also KL's friend in question's character was questioned and debated. Not sure I myself want to comment and open up that can or worms again lol

Can closed.

http://www.childrenshospital.ab.ca/site/PageNavigator/hospital/rotaryflameshouse

 

[otto]

Can closed.

http://www.childrenshospital.ab.ca/site/PageNavigator/hospital/rotaryflameshouse

What does that mean? Is there a connection between the friend of Kathryn and that link?

 

[deugirtni]

I was curious about that also. I thought perhaps it was a tagline, but I don't see it on any of the poster's other posts.

What does that mean? Is there a connection between the friend of Kathryn and that link?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Because a teeny bit of current information released can potentially hurt the case for either side.

The public interest in Canada seems to come second to the accused's right to a fair trial... which can be debated endlessly as to whether that is the right order. However, first it must be defined as to what is in the public interest, and why.

There is no reason for the defence to disclose anything to the public about the evidence they received, or what they think about it. They will save that for court in the form or a plea, or a motion.

The crown stated after the last court appearance that they will be providing the defence the "voluminous" amounts of evidence they have within a day or two of the statement... it's safe to assume they have it.

So tell me, how can knowing if the disclosure documents being sent or received affect the integrity of the case? Its simple info. No one is asking to disclose anything publicly of those documents, just whether they've been received. Sorry, I don't really think anything is "safe to assume" with this case. Its been odd since day one.
As well, how does knowing if DG remains on suicide watch affect the integrity of the case? Or where LE are searching for that matter...they've always told us before? IMO, none of these questions affect the integrity of the case...LE has disclosed absolutely nothing...they have their guy...so surely info re: paperwork definitely being sent isn't going to tip off anyone to anything...nor is disclosure that perhaps forensic evidence was found in the green truck going to tip anyone off to anything. As I said, they have their guy. A little unusual that ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is being kept quiet...from who? It should only further prove their case...they have nothing to lose...sounds pretty airtight. Doesn't it?

 

[Wondergirl]

Is there anything new in the search? :notgood:

Where are these poor people?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Is there anything new in the search? :notgood:

Where are these poor people?

Nothing new at all.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

So tell me, how can knowing if the disclosure documents being sent or received affect the integrity of the case? Its simple info. No one is asking to disclose anything publicly of those documents, just whether they've been received. Sorry, I don't really think anything is "safe to assume" with this case. Its been odd since day one.
As well, how does knowing if DG remains on suicide watch affect the integrity of the case? Or where LE are searching for that matter...they've always told us before? IMO, none of these questions affect the integrity of the case...LE has disclosed absolutely nothing...they have their guy...so surely info re: paperwork definitely being sent isn't going to tip off anyone to anything...nor is disclosure that perhaps forensic evidence was found in the green truck going to tip anyone off to anything. As I said, they have their guy. A little unusual that ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is being kept quiet...from who? It should only further prove their case...they have nothing to lose...sounds pretty airtight. Doesn't it?

Many reasons for which I don't have time to go into detail about, but it goes to potential jurors and the preconceived notions of innocence or guilt, evidence admissability, future lawsuits like the libel suit for the missing RV couple because LE allegedly implied guilt... and so on.

If there has not been proper disclosure by the next scheduled appearance, we will hear of it publicly then. Since the Crown said a day or two, over 2 weeks ago, it's almost a moot issue. I don't expect either side to call a press conference to announce they are sharing the evidence. It's standard operating procedure in their world.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What does that mean? Is there a connection between the friend of Kathryn and that link?

It means no one has a monopoly on hardship, and there are equally noble causes to consider if one takes their blinders off.

 

[Slebby]

So tell me, how can knowing if the disclosure documents being sent or received affect the integrity of the case? Its simple info. No one is asking to disclose anything publicly of those documents, just whether they've been received. Sorry, I don't really think anything is "safe to assume" with this case. Its been odd since day one.
As well, how does knowing if DG remains on suicide watch affect the integrity of the case? Or where LE are searching for that matter...they've always told us before? IMO, none of these questions affect the integrity of the case...LE has disclosed absolutely nothing...they have their guy...so surely info re: paperwork definitely being sent isn't going to tip off anyone to anything...nor is disclosure that perhaps forensic evidence was found in the green truck going to tip anyone off to anything. As I said, they have their guy. A little unusual that ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is being kept quiet...from who? It should only further prove their case...they have nothing to lose...sounds pretty airtight. Doesn't it?

You say "it's been odd since day one" - what do you mean by odd?

I for one feel glad we have LE with the integrity and correct focus on the pursuit of justice, the rights of the the victims, their families, the accused, his family, and the public. What would you gain by hearing "discovery materials have been handed over to the defence" or that "DG is/is not on suicide watch"?

I don't think it's unusual that "absolutely everything is being kept quiet" but I do think LE is doing an admirable job upholding high standards for discretion. It is important that LE has policies and standards in place not just for this case but for every case. You may believe that info would not hurt the integrity of the case, but you may not know the lengths defence counsel can go to in defending their client, or representing him for any perceived violation of his right to a fair trial.

Is it possible that, despite being Canadian, you're more accustomed to hearing every detail rehashed in the US media? I think in general, Canadian cases do not reveal a lot of details. I for one can wait until LE deems the time appropriate to make these details known to the public. They have an incredible responsibility and I trust them.

IMHO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Many reasons for which I don't have time to go into detail about, but it goes to potential jurors and the preconceived notions of innocence or guilt, evidence admissability, future lawsuits like the libel suit for the missing RV couple because LE allegedly implied guilt... and so on.

If there has not been proper disclosure by the next scheduled appearance, we will hear of it publicly then. Since the Crown said a day or two, over 2 weeks ago, it's almost a moot issue.
I don't expect either side to call a press conference to announce they are sharing the evidence. It's standard operating procedure in their world.

I don't expect either side to call a press conference either, nor do I expect them to mar the integrity of the case, neither of which were suggested in my comment. Given the high profile nature of this case, and the public's genuine interest and concern (as demonstrated by public outpouring, numerous Trust Fund set up's, etc.) the sharing of general information is not, IMO, too much to ask. General information of other cases is shared with the public, ie: Matthew DeGrood's mental state before the murders of the 5 teens, as well as regular updates on his mental state now, and his whereabouts.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1465574/accused-in-calgarys-worst-mass-murder-expected-to-enter-plea/
http://www.citynews.ca/2014/04/17/c...-health-messages-sent-by-mass-murder-suspect/

Preconceived notions of innocence or guilt? IMO, we're long past that point. Police Chief Rick Hanson has said that there are no other suspects in this case. LE is not looking at any other avenues at this point in time, as far as I am aware. DG has been charged with 3 murders based on circumstantial evidence. It appears to be pretty clear that LE are looking at one person and one person only as being the party responsible...so that has become a moot point. This trial will come down to admissible evidence and guilty beyond reasonable doubt based on evidence collected.

http://www.citynews.ca/2014/04/17/c...l-health-messages-sent-by-mass-murder-suspect

This case has been on everyone's hearts and minds since June 30th, its normal human nature to know a little of what's going on. For most, life is not black-and-white.