Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #15

[Tinkerbel1]

I asked my friendly neighborhood-lawyer-who-I-happen-to-be-married-to.....

Answer: the "30 days" is not set in stone. The judge can decide that, due to the complexity of the case, more time would be needed. If the deadline was one year, that would be another story. For 30 days? Not in the least bit unusual.

As for the question of why "not one" bit of disclosure has been handed over (which we actually don't know for sure) - the crown is in the process of making their case. Handing over parts of their evidence can prejudice their case in ways that could impede the ongoing investigation, and on that basis, a judge would therefore agree to extending the timeline for handing over evidence to the defence. The defence is also unlikely to make a fuss because such delays in complex cases is really not unusual.

Personal story - we have friends with a child who was charged with a very serious crime last year, about December. They still do not know the details of the evidence. And they have an extremely good defence lawyer, one we know well.

Does this help?

Yes, thank you very much Slebby The point that I, as well as a couple of others are trying to make is that when a question is asked, various answers are given as if they are facts. Very often the answers don't actually answer the questions, or something quite different has been stated by either LE or the Prosecution, ie: a statement the Crown Prosecutor himself made as proof that disclosure was indeed promised by August 14th (at least some) and we still get the same answers, which totally disregard points that are being made. Our arguments and posts back to posters trying to explain the "way the system works", are no different than rebuttals you would hear in a courtroom. Something was said by a key player, it was not done as stated, therefore, we are asking why this has not been done. I do understand the way disclosure works, I have a friend that received a simple DUI and it took over 3 months to get disclosure for that, so I'm certain a murder case could definitely be much longer than that. The curiousity is not in how it works, it's actually in why it was not delivered as promised by the Prosecution.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I can report that the defence has received discovery related to the arrest. I can report that additional documents are still trickling in. I can also report that, at the next scheduled hearing, the defence will most likely request additional time to review the documents. I can report that the judge will grant that extension. How do I know this? I know this because it is the prosecutor's job to provide those documents, it is the defence lawyer's tactic to delay the proceedings at this stage of the game, and it is the judge's position to give the benefit of the doubt to the accused. It's that simple.

Thank you Otto! So just to be clear... this is conjecture based on past history of proceedings, and not actual known facts in this case as of yet? Supposition on previous activities in Canadian Courts.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

What do you think they can find after a snowfall that they didn't find in the initial sweep of the property? I thought they were quite thorough back in July - grid search, canine units. I would think the snow, though temporary, is only going to help eradicate any last traces of evidence.

Stan Laurel made a comment yesterday about hoar frost and how it will actually 'heave the ground' up where it has been recently dug. This may help bring some things that have been shallowly buried to the surface. (I didn't know that hoar frost would do this, so it could definitely be a bonus!)

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Mr. Slebby (lawyer) would take a dim view of a reporter calling about disclosure and would have "no comment".

FWIW, y'all can ask any lawyer buddies you know if they'd respond differently.

Maybe I'll ask one of my 3 cousin lawyers...but you are probably right. A good lawyer won't say one little word about anything. Sometimes not even to their clients! lol

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Everyone that is arrested is processed in the same way. The problem here was that the media was completely disrespectful. That's probably the first time that a reporter was shoving a camera in the face of someone that was handcuffed. Photos are usually taken from a distance, and reporters don't usually try to have a conversation with someone in that position. The only response from Chief Hanson was that they need a new building to prevent it from happening again ... so that's now on the agenda.

Ohhh! I have to agree with you there Otto! That young lady reporter was over-the-top out of line. I honestly don't know how DG kept his composure...I'm pretty sure that whole "perp walk" thing is going to come up as part of the defense. She didn't help the prosecutions case any with her questions, IMO.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

If the prosecution is required to deliver discovery related to the arrest to the defence after 30 days, and the prosecutor stated that it will be delivered after 30 days (Aug 15 is 30 days), why would anyone question whether that happened? Are we suspicious of the prosecutor and whether he is capable of doing his job and keeping his word? If so, why? If not, what is the problem?

I don't think we're suspicious of the Prosecutor and whether or not he is capable of doing his job. If we take him at his word, then there should have been something present at the August 14th trial date, as this is what he said. I think some are just wondering why that didn't happen? Perhaps there is a reason and some may just be curious as to that reason. It's just something that stands out a little...human nature is to figure out the loose ends, no matter how trivial. In July, SP said something would be forthcoming for August 14th court date, it wasn't so...natural curiousity, that's all.

 

[LoisLane]

What do you think they can find after a snowfall that they didn't find in the initial sweep of the property? I thought they were quite thorough back in July - grid search, canine units. I would think the snow, though temporary, is only going to help eradicate any last traces of evidence.

The fields could have been cultivated if the farmers suspected snow and if not the snow would have flattened the fields. IMO it goes with the "no stone left unturned" comment from LE. I imagine they may have more "stones" now.

 

[Cherchri]

An interesting article on inmate suicides. http://globalnews.ca/news/1555675/canadas-failing-to-prevent-inmate-suicides-watchdog-finds/

 

[winnnancy]

An interesting article on inmate suicides. http://globalnews.ca/news/1555675/canadas-failing-to-prevent-inmate-suicides-watchdog-finds/

Well clearly we're not doing enough to keep these people happy.
I'd like to see the suicide rate for the mentally ill population OUTSIDE of the correctional system.
I'd wager that those amongst us do NOT see mental health professionals with the consistency that an inmate would. Many are not compliant with medications but in prison, these are dispensed by prison staff.
They in all probability receive better mental health care than the general population.
Can it be that there's actually statistics on prisoners where there are none for the general population?
Outside of prison, people move, change doctors unless they have family, friends, are known at shelters, they're just "gone".

 

[winnnancy]

Ohhh! I have to agree with you there Otto! That young lady reporter was over-the-top out of line. I honestly don't know how DG kept his composure...I'm pretty sure that whole "perp walk" thing is going to come up as part of the defense. She didn't help the prosecutions case any with her questions, IMO.

Has anyone watched the scrum wars televised at the office at a very well known Ontario politician? That was dozens of reporters with microphones and cameras doing exactly what this one lone reporter did to the one person LE and many citizens wanted desperately found.
I was amazed there was only the one reporter.

 

[news.talk]

Has anyone watched the scrum wars televised at the office at a very well known Ontario politician? That was dozens of reporters with microphones and cameras doing exactly what this one lone reporter did to the one person LE and many citizens wanted desperately found.
I was amazed there was only the one reporter.

These types of incident happen less in Canada IMO.

 

[otto]

There may be some hope for the owners of the Parkhill crime scene. The home of the worst mass murder (not Parkhill) has been sold.

"The home in northwest Calgary where the city’s worst mass murders took place earlier this year, has sold ... for $425,000."

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-home-where-brentwood-murders-took-place-sold-1.2002542

 

[casesensitive]

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

OMG. Best post in two days. Thanks SB. lol

 

[winnnancy]

These types of incident happen less in Canada IMO.

Footage from the Toronto Mayors office in the height of " crack" allegations

 

[otto]

Has anyone watched the scrum wars televised at the office at a very well known Ontario politician? That was dozens of reporters with microphones and cameras doing exactly what this one lone reporter did to the one person LE and many citizens wanted desperately found.
I was amazed there was only the one reporter.

The Mayor is a public figure and it's in his job description to deal with the media. A murder suspect must be treated differently. The obnoxious woman that was shoving a camera and microphone into the face of a hand cuffed and shackled man has no class. Her big story was: accused formally charged with murder. What she did was way beyond what the public expects, or even wants, in terms of reporting the news.

 

[otto]

The fields could have been cultivated if the farmers suspected snow and if not the snow would have flattened the fields. IMO it goes with the "no stone left unturned" comment from LE. I imagine they may have more "stones" now.

"The snowstorm that blanketed southern Alberta over the last days has flattened crops just as farmers were getting ready to harvest them. Ken Friesz, who farms about 2,000 hectares near Indus east of Calgary, says his wheat and barley are flat on the ground and the canola isn't much better."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ews-for-farm-crops-ahead-of-harvest-1.2762164

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Has anyone watched the scrum wars televised at the office at a very well known Ontario politician? That was dozens of reporters with microphones and cameras doing exactly what this one lone reporter did to the one person LE and many citizens wanted desperately found.
I was amazed there was only the one reporter.

Yes, there definitely seem to be different types of reporters. There are those that are extremely professional and enhance the industry, giving it credence, cause for admiration and respect; there are others that behave more in line with celebrity paparazzi. This type, IMO has no place in crime reporting or the political scene. Lol, I'm assuming we speak of the same well-known Ontario politician, who incidentally behaves like Justin Bieber so the paparazzi-type would be fitting (said politician may not be suitable for the political scene either) IMO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

There may be some hope for the owners of the Parkhill crime scene. The home of the worst mass murder (not Parkhill) has been sold.

"The home in northwest Calgary where the city’s worst mass murders took place earlier this year, has sold ... for $425,000."

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-home-where-brentwood-murders-took-place-sold-1.2002542

That's not surprising, there are people out there that like the notoriety buying such a home brings, others don't care what happened in it. There have been many such sales in Edmonton as well. Someone will buy the Parkhill home if it goes up for sale. IMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

snooping is good that's why we are on websnoops.

I noticed that you edited this post too "corrected grammar",, let me guess, she needed reprimand after leaving her dentures in the dishwasher again.

I know, confusing, the post where I deleted the wrong info FB snooping info I put reason as Deleted content, mistaken then this post you commented on, I did correct grammar. But the original post I was wrong, so had to take it off, I think I'm looking too hard for *anything* suspicious!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Everyone that is arrested is processed in the same way. The problem here was that the media was completely disrespectful. That's probably the first time that a reporter was shoving a camera in the face of someone that was handcuffed. Photos are usually taken from a distance, and reporters don't usually try to have a conversation with someone in that position. The only response from Chief Hanson was that they need a new building to prevent it from happening again ... so that's now on the agenda.

Exactly otto! I have to blame the media a bit more for show boating as opposed to LE on this one. This news story/family tragedy (however we want to label it) has people fired up and emotional, maybe even some reporters, but the process should've still been handled with more protocols somehow.