Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #16

[Tinkerbel1]

Did the Liknes' have an a/c unit? A/C units are very popular in Alberta but not everyone has one. If the Liknes' did and if it was running, then that would be assured noise around their house!

Can it go on record that I was referring to height in those posts that got snipped. I'm a tall girl, I can't even walk beside a guy 5'6", let alone date him. No innuendos on my part, LOL. (I feel my reputation as a gramma is at stake). :facepalm:

I',m 5'2 1/2...[emoji20]

 

[Cherchri]

If it is the same as my gruesome theory, I'll say it - dismemberment.

It doesn't have to be total seperation, just enough to place manageable sized pieces into garbage bags or wrapped in bed linen, like the bedding they pulled from the dump.

It would certainly help hide the fact of carrying full bodies, loading and transporting in an open truck bed. Would also make it easier to start the process of chemical disolvement.

You are a brave soldier! Yes. Dismemberment. Can't bear to picture it. Can't imagine anyone ever actually doing it BUT it would have made transportation possible. I can't bear to think of what JO was faced with if this was the case and if DG did this along with everything else I suspected, then he is not sane.

 

[LoriMcA]

In VERY early threads...one of our members was discussing the weather that night...and we all went so far as to find weather charts etc for that night in particular...She stated that night was cooler than usual and VERY windy...so much so that her kids even wanted the windows shut...*I would have to go wayyy back to find the posts*...She stated...with the wind...it would have been very difficult to hear a thing that night...

Just as an added comment to this...from my own experience...I'm familiar with firearms...they are *or were* ...a regular piece of equipment on a ranch/farm...*We're talking the 1960's-1980's for me anyways*

Back then it would be surprising if someone DIDN'T have a shotgun or at least a .22...

This I'm sure was a carry over from the wild west days...used for hunting as well as survival *wild animal attack...vermin etc*

I know what they sound like...out in the open in the country.....there are times here in the city...I was positive it was a gunshot....it was automobile noise...backfire...all kinds of things...even I can't pick that sound out so much anymore....too many other 'strange' sounds in the city...that would be obvious to the ear in the country....JMOO...

 

[Cherchri]

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Who was it again who didn't know what Y fronts are? I don't think Calvin Klein has a Y front line! Does he?

 

[Krystine]

You are a brave soldier! Yes. Dismemberment. Can't bear to picture it. Can't imagine anyone ever actually doing it BUT it would have made transportation possible. I can't bear to think of what JO was faced with if this was the case and if DG did this along with everything else I suspected, then he is not sane.

A horrifying thought. Part of me thinks_ this_ would be even more physically difficult than lifting and transporting dead weight. Just the sheer volume of blood and bodily fluids would make the entire scene a slippery mess to work in. (so sorry)... I can't imagine the difficulty of doing this within the time frame...and I can even less imagine the murderer thinking this method would leave the least amount of evidence behind. He would have been covered head to toe within a very short time.

 

[Slebby]

This line of thought has been niggling in the back of my brain. I spend quite a bit of time in Alberta, and my experience is that people do not leave their windows open much at all. Contrary to here on the beautiful West Coast, where we don't usually even have screens on our windows, Albertans (in my experience) have a phobia about open windows, doors, bugs and West Nile. Also in my experience, the majority of homes have heat pumps/air conditioning. It was very warm in Cowtown at the end of June and I would bet a nickel that most windows and doors were closed and air conditioners were running at Mach 10. If that is/was the case in Parkhill, I somehow suspect that the noise from some sort of gun that shoots bullets would be muffled to a neighbour even a hundred feet away. My opinion and musing only.

Hi Power of Two. I live in Calgary. My family may be unusual but we throw our windows and doors open, all the time. We just like fresh air, we live on a safe street, we are not worried about crime, we don't have AC.

All that said though, we never notice anything happening on our street. I once woke up one morning and left the house and found that the street had been dug up overnight by city crews; I hadn't heard a thing. I think folks can be wrapped up in their own lives and may not notice the sounds going on around them. It doesn't surprise me that no one on the L's street heard anything. I'm not familiar with the sound of gunshots, but I think it's possible shots could be fired inside a home and not noticed by neighbours inside their home. Plus the L's street is close to Macleod trail and a lot of traffic, so even if someone heard something, it's possible they could attribute it to traffic or a car backfiring. We are Canadian, we don't automatically assume a loud bang in the night is a gunshot, IMO.

 

[LoisLane]

In VERY early threads...one of our members was discussing the weather that night...and we all went so far as to find weather charts etc for that night in particular...She stated that night was cooler than usual and VERY windy...so much so that her kids even wanted the windows shut...*I would have to go wayyy back to find the posts*...She stated...with the wind...it would have been very difficult to hear a thing that night...

Just as an added comment to this...from my own experience...I'm familiar with firearms...they are *or were* ...a regular piece of equipment on a ranch/farm...*We're talking the 1960's-1980's for me anyways*

Back then it would be surprising if someone DIDN'T have a shotgun or at least a .22...

This I'm sure was a carry over from the wild west days...used for hunting as well as survival *wild animal attack...vermin etc*

I know what they sound like...out in the open in the country.....there are times here in the city...I was positive it was a gunshot....it was automobile noise...backfire...all kinds of things...even I can't pick that sound out so much anymore....too many other 'strange' sounds in the city...that would be obvious to the ear in the country....JMOO...

Yes, I recall the windy weather report. I think that poster lived in a different part of the city and I know Calgary can have opposite weather extremes from one quadrant of the city to the next. Regardless, the weather and could have been wind would have a factor on the windows and a/c that night. On a side note... some of my wonderful woman friends suffer from those nasty hot flashes and would need the room cold at all times including winter!

 

[Slebby]

A horrifying thought. Part of me thinks_ this_ would be even more physically difficult than lifting and transporting dead weight. Just the sheer volume of blood and bodily fluids would make the entire scene a slippery mess to work in. (so sorry)... I can't imagine the difficulty of doing this within the time frame...and I can even less imagine the murderer thinking this method would leave the least amount of evidence behind. He would have been covered head to toe within a very short time.

When I think of the look on DG's face in the "perp walk" photo, I can picture him as a man totally traumatized by his own actions. IMO.

If he was covered head to toe, that could account for the burning (of his own bloody clothes, perhaps?) that his neighbour observed at the Airdrie property.

IMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In VERY early threads...one of our members was discussing the weather that night...and we all went so far as to find weather charts etc for that night in particular...She stated that night was cooler than usual and VERY windy...so much so that her kids even wanted the windows shut...*I would have to go wayyy back to find the posts*...She stated...with the wind...it would have been very difficult to hear a thing that night...

Just as an added comment to this...from my own experience...I'm familiar with firearms...they are *or were* ...a regular piece of equipment on a ranch/farm...*We're talking the 1960's-1980's for me anyways*

Back then it would be surprising if someone DIDN'T have a shotgun or at least a .22...

This I'm sure was a carry over from the wild west days...used for hunting as well as survival *wild animal attack...vermin etc*

I know what they sound like...out in the open in the country.....there are times here in the city...I was positive it was a gunshot....it was automobile noise...backfire...all kinds of things...even I can't pick that sound out so much anymore....too many other 'strange' sounds in the city...that would be obvious to the ear in the country....JMOO...

Since the Garlands live on acreage, I wonder if they have a family/property firearm on hand?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

A horrifying thought. Part of me thinks_ this_ would be even more physically difficult than lifting and transporting dead weight. Just the sheer volume of blood and bodily fluids would make the entire scene a slippery mess to work in. (so sorry)... I can't imagine the difficulty of doing this within the time frame...and I can even less imagine the murderer thinking this method would leave the least amount of evidence behind. He would have been covered head to toe within a very short time.

And to add in agreement, if we theorize DG might be meticulous (truck is mint, the acreage well kept, etc.) maybe he wouldn't want to get so dirty by this method. Gun use is 'less personal' and not so hands on also, if the murderer is cowardly but passive aggressive, a gun might suit him more.

 

[Power of Two]

Hi Power of Two. I live in Calgary. My family may be unusual but we throw our windows and doors open, all the time. We just like fresh air, we live on a safe street, we are not worried about crime, we don't have AC.

All that said though, we never notice anything happening on our street. I once woke up one morning and left the house and found that the street had been dug up overnight by city crews; I hadn't heard a thing. I think folks can be wrapped up in their own lives and may not notice the sounds going on around them. It doesn't surprise me that no one on the L's street heard anything. I'm not familiar with the sound of gunshots, but I think it's possible shots could be fired inside a home and not noticed by neighbours inside their home. Plus the L's street is close to Macleod trail and a lot of traffic, so even if someone heard something, it's possible they could attribute it to traffic or a car backfiring. We are Canadian, we don't automatically assume a loud bang in the night is a gunshot, IMO.

I live in the rural end of a small city (read: large lots, chickens and big gardens). Everyone keeps pretty much to themselves, though we do know who our neighbours are. There is often loud and unidentifiable noise in the summertime. Unless one is well versed in firearms, it would be difficult to discern fireworks, gunshot, and vehicle noise at any given time. I am certain I have heard gunshots throughout the summer on occasion. Do I get up look out? Not if I am in bed. Do I look at the clock? Yes. When rescue /ambulance/police fly by my road I look to see which is which and say a little prayer for the rescuers and whoever is involved. What else is there to do? I would be hard pressed to tell you in subsequent days what I heard or observed and at what time. I do my best to be observant but not to be on 'red alert' in my neighbourhood. It is easier on my nerves.

 

[Cherchri]

When I think of the look on DG's face in the "perp walk" photo, I can picture him as a man totally traumatized by his own actions. IMO.

If he was covered head to toe, that could account for the burning (of his own bloody clothes, perhaps?) that his neighbour observed at the Airdrie property.

IMO

I also saw trauma in his expression - like this shot

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I also saw trauma in his expression - like this shotView attachment 59689

I'm probably jaded, I thought he looked prickly and intense, like he's thinking. Funny, how we all get different impressions.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

And to add in agreement, if we theorize DG might be meticulous (truck is mint, the acreage well kept, etc.) maybe he wouldn't want to get so dirty by this method. Gun use is 'less personal' and not so hands on also, if the murderer is cowardly but passive aggressive, a gun might suit him more.

If I were holding a grudge for so long that I felt was worth killing for, I would want it personal.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Who wants a good reputation? Where's the fun in that? I hear ya about the average male... um... height. I'm 5'11 and scare most men. Except for Sam, aka OutOfTheDarkness. I can't figure out how to scare him!

Those of us who prefer the grey, as opposed to the black and white, don't scare easily... if at all.

Sam Elliott's voice helps too... Oh the manly confidence.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If I were holding a grudge for so long that I felt was worth killing for, I would want it personal.

I guess so, and yeah, I get that too, but would he risk it failing against a larger man? Guns are for the most part, fail proof and he went with the intent to kill and only kill. I think he'd be extremely mad at himself if he failed at it. Ugh, terrible to think about.

 

[LoisLane]

I'm probably jaded, I thought he looked prickly and intense, like he's thinking. Funny, how we all get different impressions.

I have a book on Chinese face reading... it is amazing what our features tell us!

http://www.jeanhaner.com/books/the-wisdom-of-your-face/

 

[LoisLane]

I hope it is okay to post this... The house (duplex, just one side) is for sale. It is across the street from the Liknes home. I am curious if they were planning to sell prior or if the crime in the neighborhood is cause.

http://mapliv.com/address/116-38a-avenue-southwest-calgary-ab-t2s-0w4-canada/#

https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0196...!1e1!3m2!1sYUvIH8sI3auo7nPZo1fXmA!2e0!6m1!1e1

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Those of us who prefer the grey, as opposed to the black and white, don't scare easily... if at all.

Sam Elliott's voice helps too... Oh the manly confidence.

So….that means….you prefer the 50 shades of gray??!! Haha, couldn't resist, you set yourself up for that one!

ETA - for the record, I have NOT read that book, only heard about it, FYI.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have a book on Chinese face reading... it is amazing what our features tell us!

http://www.jeanhaner.com/books/the-wisdom-of-your-face/

How do you face read him LL? Do you have an impression? I'm checking out the website too BTW Very cool!