Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #18

[otto]

I wonder if LE took the car away for testing. I think they took the truck. I can't remember.

The Liknes truck was taken for analysis after a couple of days ... nothing was reported about the car.

 

[otto]

When you say thinking like Keyes (suicide) who does the suicide refer to? A victim?

No. It means that when Israel Keyes was captured, he committed suicide rather than fully reveal what he had gotten away with for a long time.

 

[otto]

maybe both the car and truck were in the driveway and the car moved into the garage to make room for another vehicle that needed to utilize the driveway too?

The car was in the garage when photos were taken of officers in the garage. The truck was parked on the parking pad, the car was in the garage. A few days after the truck was found parked on the driveway at 123 38A Avenue SW Calgary, it was taken away for forensic analysis. I would assume that the car was also taken for analysis, especially if it looked like the garage door was used during the murders.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, you're right, and the car was parked at that same side. Remember the news video which showed the 'streams' of blood underneath the garage door opener thingy on the exterior of the garage? And then pics taken later, after the scene had been examined, there are marks on the garage door from the examination (the blueish/grey tint.. it seems there may have been a bit of evidence taken from that area, and it is up so high, makes one wonder if someone was bleeding from the head/mouth/upper part of body, and if that 'latka-sized' area at marker #15 is kind of underneath that area, it could have been streamed/dripped, and then cleaned up. Could the streaming/dripping have 'run' to expand to underneath the garage door a little?

Another thought in regards to this photo...

The sedan car was parked in the garage so not much clearance inside. I assume the car was parked inside, it was backed out when they searched the garage.

 

[deugirtni]

In various photos of LE examining items in the L's garage, it would seem there is some interest there. So if the overhead garage door had not been raised during the night in question, there must have been another way to access the garage. I didn't notice any markings inside the garage to suggest the interior was dusted for prints, did anyone else?

The car was in the garage when photos were taken of officers in the garage. The truck was parked on the parking pad, the car was in the garage. A few days after the truck was found parked on the driveway at 123 38A Avenue SW Calgary, it was taken away for forensic analysis. I would assume that the car was also taken for analysis, especially if it looked like the garage door was used during the murders.

 

[deugirtni]

The other day I asked if everyone had noticed the 'streams' of blood on the exterior of the garage underneath where the auto-garage-door-opener thingy was installed.. now I can't find the video in which it showed this. Does anyone have that? TY !!!

 

[deugirtni]

I was trying to locate the video in which is showed the streaming blood under the auto-garage-door-opener-thingy on the exterior of the garage and I came across this pic, which I had also not seen before, which shows the purple/blueish/greyish examination markings:

 

[deugirtni]

As above, when I was trying to locate the video in which it showed the streaming blood under the auto-garage-door-opener-thingy on the exterior of the garage, I also came across another MSM article from which a large chunk of text is now missing. The article was in the Globe & Mail on July 8th, and was referred to extensively on the net, and yet, when you click the link, it no longer shows the text being quoted extensively. So things are definitely disappearing.

This is what I am referring to:

This is the link:

Jill Mahoney
Reporter for The Globe and Mail.
Reporter — Globe and Mail
Canada
Close family connection established with ‘person of interest’ in missing Calgary boy case —
By Carrie Tait, Jill Mahoney
Jul 08, 2014

... emergency.” Alvin Liknes, a petroleum engineer, comes from a family of nine brothers and sisters and is especially close to his twin brother Allen, for whom he named his first-born son, the relative said. The...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/close-family-connection-established-with-person-of-interest-in-missing-calgary-boy-case/article19502873/

In the text, it used to say this, (quoted below), but it is now missing:

Mr. Garland has a close connection to the Liknes family through his sister Patti Garland, who is in a relationship with Alvin Liknes’s son Allen, according to a relative who did not want to give her name.
The couple and their family live in Evansburg, 100 kilometres west of Edmonton. Before her Facebook profile disappeared on Monday, Ms. Garland was friends with Kathryn Liknes, who is Alvin’s second wife, as well as Nathan’s parents.
Ms. Garland and Allen Liknes did not return phone messages on Monday. A representative of Ms. Garland’s employer said she was out of the office for an undetermined period of time because of a “family emergency.”
Alvin Liknes, a petroleum engineer, comes from a family of nine brothers and sisters and is especially close to his twin brother Allen, for whom he named his first-born son, the relative said.
The ordeal has left the Liknes family reeling, said the relative, describing the clan as caring and deeply private.
“You just wait the best you can,” she said. “It’s just been so, so hard. You can’t imagine … and they are just so close, all of them.”

In found the cached version here:

http://cached.newslookup.com/cached.php?ref_id=123&siteid=2115&id=7008501&t=1404799083

I know AL has 6 children, and If Allen is the oldest:
Allen
Nancy
Eileen
Clinton??
JO
JL

I'm wondering where Clinton falls in the order of offspring, and why does he seem so absent through this whole thing?

 

[deugirtni]

Another thing I noticed when I was hunting around, was that mention was made of EL having a child with FC. It did not specifically state that FC was the father, but it made it sound like he was. Did we know this? (I didnt!) If needed, I can try to dig that up again.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Question... If a crime scene (interior of the house) is a blood-bath is it protocol to bring in the homeowners or family members to view the house and see if items around the home are not appearing as normal? I just can't fathom that LE would need the assistance of the family when the house is supposedly full of blood. Does anyone have other cases that this has been done?

ETA.. Someone I know had a neighbour who was beheaded by her husband and the immediate family was not allowed in the house until after the crime scene was cleaned up. Yes, the body was in the home and the killer was still in the home when police showed up (the son came home and found the father trying to kill himself and called police) but until the crime scene was released by investigators no one else was allowed in the home.

Excellent point LL, just goes to show that term about the blood bath was probably pure rumor (at least I hope so). Someone made that comment I think on a Reddit site and then someone else responded to the comment with something like 'yeah I know a cop', so it sounded like two people *heard* that.

What you say makes that statement doubtful, as I can't imagine LE showing that to family members. I also remember thinking how composed the family looked after going through the house, I doubt that would be the case if it was a more horrific scene. I'm hoping it wasn't horrific and graphic, sounds like rumor I'm hoping.

Although, I have to say, I'm surprised they brought family through the house in the first place as it was a crime scene. I wonder if the defense will use this to say the family contaminated the scene right off the bat. Damn defense lawyers will say anything.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

maybe both the car and truck were in the driveway and the car moved into the garage to make room for another vehicle that needed to utilize the driveway too?

We have to remember, the garage was probably open and being used for the sale according to some MSM. Although, again not sure this is totally for sure.

"On the weekend, others had been filing in and out of the Liknes home and garage — estate sale shoppers." (BBM)

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...l-mysteriously-vanished-after-an-estate-sale/

ETA - just pointing out it might've been open for the sale, the car probably moved back in after the sale though.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

As above, when I was trying to locate the video in which it showed the streaming blood under the auto-garage-door-opener-thingy on the exterior of the garage, I also came across another MSM article from which a large chunk of text is now missing. The article was in the Globe & Mail on July 8th, and was referred to extensively on the net, and yet, when you click the link, it no longer shows the text being quoted extensively. So things are definitely disappearing.

This is what I am referring to:

This is the link:

Jill Mahoney
Reporter for The Globe and Mail.
Reporter — Globe and Mail
Canada
Close family connection established with ‘person of interest’ in missing Calgary boy case —
By Carrie Tait, Jill Mahoney
Jul 08, 2014



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/close-family-connection-established-with-person-of-interest-in-missing-calgary-boy-case/article19502873/

In the text, it used to say this, (quoted below), but it is now missing:


In found the cached version here:

http://cached.newslookup.com/cached.php?ref_id=123&siteid=2115&id=7008501&t=1404799083

I know AL has 6 children, and If Allen is the oldest:
Allen
Nancy
Eileen
Clinton??
JO
JL

I'm wondering where Clinton falls in the order of offspring, and why does he seem so absent through this whole thing?

A few of us have wondered that. Clinton and AL's brother seem to be hidden or are just really private and not captured in any MSM somehow.

 

[LoisLane]

We have to remember, the garage was probably open and being used for the sale according to some MSM. Although, again not sure this is totally for sure.

"On the weekend, others had been filing in and out of the Liknes home and garage — estate sale shoppers." (BBM)

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...l-mysteriously-vanished-after-an-estate-sale/

ETA - just pointing out it might've been open for the sale, the car probably moved back in after the sale though.

Yes the car could have been parked on the street or the garage sale was held in the larger garage in the back. They may have left the drive way clear for people to back into who may have purchased larger items. I wonder what the easiest way would be to remove the sofa if it was sold. Maybe the back would be better if they could make use of a larger door.

I still can not imagine letting strangers waltz thru my home. Let alone a big sign on my front door inviting anyone to come in.

 

[LoisLane]

Another thing I noticed when I was hunting around, was that mention was made of EL having a child with FC. It did not specifically state that FC was the father, but it made it sound like he was. Did we know this? (I didnt!) If needed, I can try to dig that up again.

One reference I recall is that FC owed EL money for child support. I had that link the other day, if I find it again I will post it.

 

[LoisLane]

I am starting to wonder if perhaps there was an altercation in the driveway prior to June 29th. And that blood was cleaned-up. Maybe something happened and the parents kept it under wraps so as not to focus on it.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

A few of us have wondered that. Clinton and AL's brother seem to be hidden or are just really private and not captured in any MSM somehow.

I was of the opinion (not sure from where) that Clinton was the son borne of AL's first wife and didn't live in Alberta. Could be wrong.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

The crime scene is photographed by the prosecution and the defence. Witnesses are brought into the house to authenticate what is normal, and what is missing. Both Nathan's mom, and Alvin/Kathryn's son were asked by police to identify what it missing, what is normal. This is normal from the prosecutors perspective. Police need to know what is normal, and what is missing, from the house. Two children are better than one when narrowing this down.

Beheadings are still really foreign to me. Was he from the middle east?

Question? How can the crime scene be photographed by both the Prosecution and the Defense? There was no Defense at the time that LE photographed the crime scene (on LE's behalf). Defense would've been given that opportunity after the arrest and charges. The crime scene would have at that point possibly been disturbed somewhat by LE, JO/JL. There's no guarantee nothing was touched, tainted, moved, etc.

Or, do you mean the photo's that LE took at the beginning are available to both sides, Prosecution and Defense? I would imagine that whomever mentioned upthread that the first line of defense by the Defense, was that the crime scene was tainted is correct. That's what I think as well. As the Defense, I wouldn't trust that everything was exactly in the original state.

 

[deugirtni]

I would wonder same thing except for that one shot in that one video which showed streams of blood.. which had not yet been cleaned up.. and it looked to definitely be blood.

I am starting to wonder if perhaps there was an altercation in the driveway prior to June 29th. And that blood was cleaned-up. Maybe something happened and the parents kept it under wraps so as not to focus on it.

 

[deugirtni]

I would like to know the order of the kids also, and which one was the one from neither of AL's wives. I am not sure where the source came from that indicated there was one of the 4 kids that was in between wives?

I was of the opinion (not sure from where) that Clinton was the son borne of AL's first wife and didn't live in Alberta. Could be wrong.

 

[deugirtni]

Here is the article I read which to me, indicates that EL and FC are together the parents of a child.

Liknes testified she was visiting Calgary from her B.C. home when she and Chora, her ex-boyfriend, went for a long drive in her borrowed car.

She expected he would pay her some child support for the daughter they shared as he directed her to different locations throughout several southern Alberta cities and towns, where she believed he was trying to collect cash.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/11/30/calgary-case-of-woman-whose-breast-implants-helped-escape-serious-harm-in-shooting-goes-viral