Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #18

[LoisLane]

Yes thanks sillybilly for the links, excellent info!

ITA Lois, the early threads are full of tons of good info from some awesome sleuthers. I only started trying to go back in time to them because there's a saying that when you reach a dead end or hit a road block its good to go back to the beginning and start over so to speak. And with what we know now, it's definitely interesting to read.

It certainly is interesting and it is always good to retrace and start from the beginning.

 

[LoisLane]

In the media thread Wendiesan has posted a transcript. Refer to Post #22. Here is the link and partial comments between LE and Reporters'...
CBC News Calgary
Nathan O'Brien Amber Alert: Search to Continue
July 08, 2014

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ia-Maps-amp-Timeline*&p=10713927#post10713927

Reporter: At this time, is Douglas Garland the only person of interest in your opinion?

KB: There are other investigative leads that we are following up on so he is not the only person of interest that we are looking at.

Reporter: Did you say he's been released from custody?

KB: He is still in custody of remand on another matter.

Reporter: Sorry, to clarify, did you say he's not the only person of interest?

KB: There is other investigative leads that we're following up on. He's been a person we've brought in on as a person of interest that we have interviewed, but there are other investigative leads that we are following up on.

Reporter cross talk

KB: But I won't get into who, what--

Reporter: Did you say there are other persons of interest?

KB: No, there are investigative leads that we're following up on.

Reporter: But no other persons of interest?

KB: Not at this time.

 

[LoisLane]

Another transcript from Wendiesan. Post # 52
LE's comments from the press conference were Monday, July 14th.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-30-June-2014-*Media-Maps-amp-Timeline*/page3

Reporter: Are you looking at laying charges against anybody else?

RH: At this point in time, we're charging one person later on this afternoon.

Reporter: Are there any other charges charges possibly pending against him other than these three?

RH: I can tell you this. Any time there's a homicide of this magnitude, we would be remiss if we didn't look at every file that we have outstanding. At this point in time there are only those charges that relate to this file.

another question further down...

Reporter: Are you looking for any other suspects?

RH: No.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Another transcript from Wendiesan. Post # 52

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-30-June-2014-*Media-Maps-amp-Timeline*/page3

Reporter: Are you looking at laying charges against anybody else?

RH: At this point in time, we're charging one person later on this afternoon.

Reporter: Are there any other charges charges possibly pending against him other than these three?

RH: I can tell you this. Any time there's a homicide of this magnitude, we would be remiss if we didn't look at every file that we have outstanding. At this point in time there are only those charges that relate to this file.

another question further down...

Reporter: Are you looking for any other suspects?

RH: No.

What is the timeframe between LE's comments on Stan's links and on the above conversation? How quickly, and was there any reason stated as to why they had changed their minds since the original statement I wonder?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

In the media thread Wendiesan has posted a transcript. Refer to Post #22. Here is the link and partial comments between LE and Reporters'...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ia-Maps-amp-Timeline*&p=10713927#post10713927

Reporter: At this time, is Douglas Garland the only person of interest in your opinion?

KB: There are other investigative leads that we are following up on so he is not the only person of interest that we are looking at.

Reporter: Did you say he's been released from custody?

KB: He is still in custody of remand on another matter.

Reporter: Sorry, to clarify, did you say he's not the only person of interest?

KB: There is other investigative leads that we're following up on. He's been a person we've brought in on as a person of interest that we have interviewed, but there are other investigative leads that we are following up on.

Reporter cross talk

KB: But I won't get into who, what--

Reporter: Did you say there are other persons of interest?

KB: No, there are investigative leads that we're following up on.

Reporter: But no other persons of interest?

KB: Not at this time.

Kind of sounds likes he's contradicting himself in that one interview doesn't it? Maybe just got confused with all the questions.

 

[LoisLane]

What is the timeframe between LE's comments on Stan's links and on the above conversation? How quickly, and was there any reason stated as to why they had changed their minds since the original statement I wonder?

LE's comments from the press conference with RH were Monday, July 14th.

The Times Colonist article was from Tuesday, July 8th.

Also interesting and a little irritating IMO is that the MSM reports have been modified from the original publish time. I wish they had to issue a formal reason so the reader could track changes for updating/editing/deleting/changing. That would be so helpful!

 

[Tinkerbel1]

LE's comments from the press conference were Monday, July 14th.

The Times Colonist article was from Tuesday, July 8th.

Also interesting and a little irritating IMO is that the MSM reports have been modified from the original publish time. I wish they had to issue a formal reason so the reader could track changes for updating/editing/deleting/changing. That would be so helpful!

Totally agree with you...I noticed the difference...so let me get this Times columnist said "no, they were not looking for another POI" and on July 14th, LE stated that the were looking for another POI? Sorry, trying to get it straight.

 

[LoisLane]

Totally agree with you...I noticed the difference...so let me get this Times columnist said "no, they were not looking for another POI" and on July 14th, LE stated that the were looking for another POI? Sorry, trying to get it straight.

I just checked the comments from LE officer KB and those comments were from July 8th. The comments from the conference with RH was July 14th.

 

[stan laurel]

ok, so common threads/themes,, maybe motive is tied into the raceway somehow as I keep coming round to it without trying.

while sleuthing bluesky/whitemark, I kept coming into a name of tmk which also had "alberta equity holdings", which is also "alberta investment holdings" and "alberta siesta holdings" of which the last two are no longer, though based in florida one director lives both in cowtown and sarasota. very interesting as his business partner is part of this group. I mean what are the chances eh?

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=AMRA

 

[Tinkerbel1]

ok, so common threads/themes,, maybe motive is tied into the raceway somehow as I keep coming round to it without trying.

while sleuthing bluesky/whitemark, I kept coming into a name of tmk which also had "alberta equity holdings", which is also "alberta investment holdings" and "alberta siesta holdings" of which the last two are no longer, though based in florida one director lives both in cowtown and sarasota. very interesting as his business partner is part of this group. I mean what are the chances eh?

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=AMRA

Raceway is one of those "sticking out like a sore thumb" for me as well. Information was provided on the ownership, projected development in the last thread I believe. Doesn't look like their are any Liknes fingers in that pie..but maybe somehow there has been sponsorship, etc from the family's businesses, etc. DG could be really angry about the proposed development, maybe it links into the rage everyone alludes to him having.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I just checked the comments from LE officer KB and those comments were from July 8th. The comments from the conference with RH was July 14th.

So 6 days later, there was no longer the possibility of another POI. So within those 6 days, either the 2nd potential POI was dismissed for reasons unknown, or there was enough evidence against DG to interpret it as his acting alone. So, he's the ONLY one they're looking at as far as we know for sure. Thanks so much for the clarification.

 

[LoisLane]

ok, so common threads/themes,, maybe motive is tied into the raceway somehow as I keep coming round to it without trying.

while sleuthing bluesky/whitemark, I kept coming into a name of tmk which also had "alberta equity holdings", which is also "alberta investment holdings" and "alberta siesta holdings" of which the last two are no longer, though based in florida one director lives both in cowtown and sarasota. very interesting as his business partner is part of this group. I mean what are the chances eh?

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=AMRA

Isn't that interesting! I do have a few names that could go with RMS in Airdrie that I received from a reliable source. I just have to find the email.
Also, DG's mother DG had arranged the town meeting, the one where her picture is published. I assume the woman in the front of the picture is DG, not the older woman in the back of the picture. I do not think DG is in her 80's.

Here is a note from an email I received: "As far as Rockyview Motorsport, my understanding is that ***del Homes (a vehicle that you race, 3 letters) is behind it, specifically R***(rhymes with Bryan) and Da*** (the first 3 letters of the day after SUN) O**** (Hockey, take of the H). They are homebuilders and car guys with lots of money and are trying to build a high end motorsport park."

I found a link... for the cryptic names...
http://www.rockyviewweekly.com/article/20120730/RVW0302/307309980/0/rvw01

A few political players as well. I wonder if BC (from Vecto)was also a private investor. Or WesCan (homebuilder).

***del Homes builds in Tampa, Denver, Ottawa, Calgary

 

[LoisLane]

So 6 days later, there was no longer the possibility of another POI. So within those 6 days, either the 2nd potential POI was dismissed for reasons unknown, or there was enough evidence against DG to interpret it as his acting alone. So, he's the ONLY one they're looking at as far as we know for sure. Thanks so much for the clarification.

I am still confused.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

So 6 days later, there was no longer the possibility of another POI. So within those 6 days, either the 2nd potential POI was dismissed for reasons unknown, or there was enough evidence against DG to interpret it as his acting alone. So, he's the ONLY one they're looking at as far as we know for sure. Thanks so much for the clarification.

I think I just want a 2nd person involved so badly for some reason that I still wonder if it's possible that LE didn't have enough evidence to prove a secondary suspect? Or that LE maybe just changed their strategy in how they go about proving/capturing a 2nd suspect - that being not informing MSM/the public they're watching a 2nd suspect so they can surveil them with while the suspect rests on their laurels.

Probably my imagination getting the best of me here, can't LE getting that elaborate.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I am still confused.

From what I understand of your posts upthread, there was an article written by Times Colonist involving LE officer on July 8th where it was indicated that they were following other investigative leads and that there was another person of interest LE was looking at. 6 days later, in another press conference, after they had charged DG with the murders, Police Chief RH indicated that they had pressed murder charges against DG and that they were not looking at another POI. I surmise then, the other POI they had been looking at (if there was one) turned up as a dead end, thus leaving DG the only POI and subsequent accused.

 

[LoisLane]

From what I understand of your posts upthread, there was an article written by Times Colonist involving LE officer on July 8th where it was indicated that they were following other investigative leads and that there was another person of interest LE was looking at. 6 days later, in another press conference, after they had charged DG with the murders, Police Chief RH indicated that they had pressed murder charges against DG and that they were not looking at another POI. I surmise then, the other POI they had been looking at (if there was one) turned up as a dead end, thus leaving DG the only POI and subsequent accused.

Thanks Tinker! I just went back and read the Times Colonist article. They called it like it is. I wonder if that was Brookwells last press conference relating to this case. I certainly hope any other POI's are still on the radar and invesigated further and deeper.

 

[LoisLane]

If the green truck was suspected when DG was taken into questioning the first time he was arrested (on unrelated charges) I assume they had authority to test the truck for evidence. When DG was released from custody was he given the truck back? If the green truck was a key piece to this investigation would they have been able to keep the truck? They kept the acreage and he wasn't allowed to return to it for it was considered a crime scene. Would the truck be considered part of the crime scene?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

If the green truck was suspected when DG was taken into questioning the first time he was arrested (on unrelated charges) I assume they had authority to test the truck for evidence. When DG was released from custody was he given the truck back? If the green truck was a key piece to this investigation would they have been able to keep the truck? They kept the acreage and he wasn't allowed to return to it for it was considered a crime scene. Would the truck be considered part of the crime scene?

I believe if a crime were committed in the truck it would be considered a crime scene. If evidence of the crime was found in the truck, I think they can seize the truck as part of the evidence...DG would have to get the truck out of impound even if they did release it, and he's not available. (I didn't know how else to say that)

 

[LoisLane]

I believe if a crime were committed in the truck it would be considered a crime scene. If evidence of the crime was found in the truck, I think they can seize the truck as part of the evidence...DG would have to get the truck out of impound even if they did release it, and he's not available. (I didn't know how else to say that)

I wonder if the first time DG was released (he wasn't yet charged for murder) if the truck was given back to him. Can his parents or someone else sign the truck out of an impound lot if he is unavailable? Maybe the vehicle listed one of his parents on the registration and insurance. The truck wouldn't even be worth recovering if it has been sitting in impound this long, it would be a substantial bill by now probably more than the truck is worth. JMO.

If he was a POI at first, was he apprehended and the ID was found on him? I wonder if he was pulled over or not at the acreage at the time he was found with the ID. If he was at the acreage the truck could have probably stayed at the property and included as part of the crime scene so he wouldn't have had access to it. If he was pulled over off the property he could have produced the ID, possibly arrested, and the truck impounded. When he was released he could have had opportunity to retrieve the vehicle unless the police had grounds to hold it. Were they actively searching the residence at this time?

So in the Times Colonist article it says the truck was taken in for testing...
He said several items have been seized from the property and sent to the crime lab for testing, along with a green pickup truck matching one seen on closed-circuit video in the Liknes's neighbourhood the night they disappeared.
http://www.timescolonist.com/police-have-other-leads-for-missing-calgary-boy-grandparents-1.1198087

I am curious how DG travelled from the police station, to the hotel, to the porch of his neighbours home. Did he take a taxi, walk, run, have a friend or family member drive him? I wonder if it was a taxi if the driver had a camera in the vehicle and if the driver went to other locations with DG prior to his final arrest on the acreage.

I am also curious if DG had a valid drivers license in his name. He could have been under suspension. IIRC he had a violation/fine/ticket for not yielding to a pedestrian. Maybe that is why he had the fake ID on him.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I wonder if the first time DG was released (he wasn't yet charged for murder) if the truck was given back to him. Can his parents or someone else sign the truck out of an impound lot if he is unavailable? Maybe the vehicle listed one of his parents on the registration and insurance. The truck wouldn't even be worth recovering if it has been sitting in impound this long, it would be a substantial bill by now probably more than the truck is worth. JMO.

If he was a POI at first, was he apprehended and the ID was found on him? I wonder if he was pulled over or not at the acreage at the time he was found with the ID. If he was at the acreage the truck could have probably stayed at the property and included as part of the crime scene so he wouldn't have had access to it. If he was pulled over off the property he could have produced the ID, possibly arrested, and the truck impounded. When he was released he could have had opportunity to retrieve the vehicle unless the police had grounds to hold it. Were they actively searching the residence at this time?

So in the Times Colonist article it says the truck was taken in for testing...
He said several items have been seized from the property and sent to the crime lab for testing, along with a green pickup truck matching one seen on closed-circuit video in the Liknes's neighbourhood the night they disappeared.
http://www.timescolonist.com/police-have-other-leads-for-missing-calgary-boy-grandparents-1.1198087

I am curious how DG travelled from the police station, to the hotel, to the porch of his neighbours home. Did he take a taxi, walk, run, have a friend or family member drive him? I wonder if it was a taxi if the driver had a camera in the vehicle and if the driver went to other locations with DG prior to his final arrest on the acreage.

I am also curious if DG had a valid drivers license in his name. He could have been under suspension. IIRC he had a violation/fine/ticket for not yielding to a pedestrian. Maybe that is why he had the fake ID on him.

Good question about the truck. When he was first arrested for the ID charges, I'm wondering if LE was allowed to 'hold' the truck for a search somehow legally somehow saying the truck was connected to the ID theft or something? Maybe they said something like 'we have to hold the vehicle to run a scan to make sure none of the parts are stolen', I have no idea if they would/could do it, but as long as it's legal, who knows.

I got the impression somehow he was on foot when leaving the hotel and found at the neighbors. I don't know why I thought that, maybe just the way I read it in MSM. But since the mention of taxis, that seems totally legit too.

About the driver's license I almost think he would have one, only because he lives with his folks. Would he be driving around illegally while living with them? Although, I've heard people on the farm a lot don't have licenses, I think the charges were so long ago he probably would've earned his license back since then and not currently have a suspension.

I wonder what the heck his neighbors think of him snooping around their porch? What do people have on their porch he would've wanted? Shovels, flashlights? I have no idea what rural folks put on their porches these days. Unless he was dodging LE and trying to hide there when he saw them following or coming.