Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #18

[news.talk]

I believe that if LE had enough *relevant* evidence, they would not need to play such games, and they would just simply arrest him. They wouldn't need to try to set him up to try to fish for more evidence. MOO.

At the time of the initial arrest, it had been a matter of a few days since the AA was put out... there is no way that any significant forensic evidence could have been processed. Given that the bodies would no doubt hold a substantial amount of evidence, I believe it was crucial for LE to do anything that would result in the possibility of recovering those bodies.

 

[otto]

I think LE went to Mexico to close out any doubt that the trio were alive and living a new life and to ensure the Crown's case. Just like they said... dotting "i's and crossing the "t's".

Police went to Mexico after they knew that the victims were deceased, so they weren't looking for the victims. They knew that the victims were not in Mexico and did not go to Mexico to find them.

There was another reason that they went to Mexico - perhaps they needed Alvin's twin brother to provide information about the condo purchase. It seems that Alvin's twin either did not return to Canada at the time of the murder, or he did it so quietly that no one in the media took notice - which is hard to believe. I think he simply stayed in Mexico and I think that Alvin and his twin brother set up a business there so that they could own property ... and I think that they registered the property in the name of their corporation. I think that the Garland name was no where to be found on the joint Liknes/Garland title of the property and I think that did not sit well with Garland.

Aug 6, 2014
"Calgary police have sent detectives to Mexico in relation to the investigation surrounding a missing family presumed murdered."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/08/05/21854641.html

 

[news.talk]

Police went to Mexico after they knew that the victims were deceased, so they weren't looking for the victims. They knew that the victims were not in Mexico and did not go to Mexico to find them.

There was another reason that they went to Mexico - perhaps they needed Alvin's twin brother to provide information about the condo purchase. It seems that Alvin's twin either did not return to Canada at the time of the murder, or he did it so quietly that no one in the media took notice - which is hard to believe. I think he simply stayed in Mexico and I think that Alvin and his twin brother set up a business there so that they could own property ... and I think that they registered the property in the name of their corporation. I think that the Garland name was no where to be found on the joint Liknes/Garland title of the property and I think that did not sit well with Garland.

Aug 6, 2014
"Calgary police have sent detectives to Mexico in relation to the investigation surrounding a missing family presumed murdered."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/08/05/21854641.html

Your link doesn't necessarily back up your statement. The fact is, we do not know exactly why LE went to Mexico. All they said was it was related to the investigation and that they were dotting their "I's and crossing their t's."

 

[deugirtni]

I believe there was at least one statement by LE that they were looking for 'evidence', which of course, could mean virtually anything. I don't think that a physical trip to that country would be required in order to simply obtain ownership documents. It will be interesting when we finally find out in Court what kind of evidence they were seeking.

Your link doesn't necessarily back up your statement. The fact is, we do not know exactly why LE went to Mexico. All they said was it was related to the investigation and that they were dotting their "I's and crossing their t's."

 

[deugirtni]

Your statements regarding AL's twin are intereting. Was he not at the press conference, or the memorial? I recall reading something somewhere about property ownership in Mexico, that it is different than it is here. I will search for it and post.

Police went to Mexico after they knew that the victims were deceased, so they weren't looking for the victims. They knew that the victims were not in Mexico and did not go to Mexico to find them.

There was another reason that they went to Mexico - perhaps they needed Alvin's twin brother to provide information about the condo purchase. It seems that Alvin's twin either did not return to Canada at the time of the murder, or he did it so quietly that no one in the media took notice - which is hard to believe. I think he simply stayed in Mexico and I think that Alvin and his twin brother set up a business there so that they could own property ... and I think that they registered the property in the name of their corporation. I think that the Garland name was no where to be found on the joint Liknes/Garland title of the property and I think that did not sit well with Garland.

Aug 6, 2014
"Calgary police have sent detectives to Mexico in relation to the investigation surrounding a missing family presumed murdered."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/08/05/21854641.html

 

[Coldpizza]

Guys, discussing what JO said in the article is fine, but discussing her looks is not.

Thanks,

Cp

 

[Cherchri]

Quite possibly. I still believe that they released him in an attempt to 'trap' him into divulging the location of the bodies or even further evidence.

Agreed!

 

[winnnancy]

In the article quoted above, it says the first $40,000 of the money will be donated shortly. Is it possible for the first prnicipal sum of $250,000 to have accrued $40,000 in interest already, in just less than 2 months (especially considering what interest rates are at these days and in general for several years now)? I'm thinking that would be impossible, but someone please correct me if my thinking is off?

Bear in mind that interest rates vary according to the amount in an account. If I remember correctly, I addressed professional dues being collected a month earlier for my professional organization and that one month resulted in a substantial interest revenue for the organization on those monies.

 

[winnnancy]

I believe that if LE had enough *relevant* evidence, they would not need to play such games, and they would just simply arrest him. They wouldn't need to try to set him up to try to fish for more evidence. MOO.

Nah, once they had enough, they would have been in a position to see where things went and if that resulted in more information or the remains of the 3 missing it would have only been a bonus.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Bear in mind that interest rates vary according to the amount in an account. If I remember correctly, I addressed professional dues being collected a month earlier for my professional organization and that one month resulted in a substantial interest revenue for the organization on those monies.

Definitely, the O'Brien's are in my thoughts.

I only made a comment about medications and alcohol as not to paint JO in any way and not even really about her appearance really, but I just keep thinking what she must be going through.... I'd probably be a basket case and I'd probably have to be heavily sedated myself if it was me!

JO truly seems to be a pillar of strength in that TV interview. I have to say, I was blown away by her composure and she does seem very strong. It was emotional to hear them talk about little Nathan, and I have such respect for them and how they're carrying on his spirit and name. It was truly touching, and I wish them all the best.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have been thinking about the crime map and the 2 homicides listed at Parkhill and how there is a third crime scene.

I can't help to wonder who was possibly taken elsewhere and why. Was NO a dilemma and taken to the third location and the last victim? Was the killer reluctant to harm him and wavered back and forth on it? Or was AL to be the last so to be toyed with, possibly questioned, tortured (not physically, but mentally over what just happened to KL and NO).

Or is it simply that there is only 'proof' that two persons succumbed to their injuries at Parkhill. The third person may have been superficially wounded at Parkhill (not mortally) and succumbed at a third scene.

And I'm wondering was a third crime scene in the plan? That all depends on the who the victim was at the third scene. Maybe that's where a mistake was made and evidence found.

A third crime scene says to me, one person left Parkhill alive but who and why?

 

[otto]

Your link doesn't necessarily back up your statement. The fact is, we do not know exactly why LE went to Mexico. All they said was it was related to the investigation and that they were dotting their "I's and crossing their t's."

The link proves that police went to Mexico on August 6, after police knew that the victims were deceased. Therefore, police did not go to Mexico to look for the victims because there's no way that the victims could have gotten to Mexico after they were murdered in their home in June.

We do know that police did not go to Mexico to look for the murder victims.

There is a reason why they went there. The only connection between the murders and Mexico is the condo that was a joint Garland/Liknes purchase ... coincidentally, a condo linked to both the victims and the accused.

 

[otto]

I believe there was at least one statement by LE that they were looking for 'evidence', which of course, could mean virtually anything. I don't think that a physical trip to that country would be required in order to simply obtain ownership documents. It will be interesting when we finally find out in Court what kind of evidence they were seeking.

In a murder investigation, police are only interested in evidence related to the murder. The couldn't care less who owns the condo unless it is related to the murder.

 

[otto]

Your statements regarding AL's twin are intereting. Was he not at the press conference, or the memorial? I recall reading something somewhere about property ownership in Mexico, that it is different than it is here. I will search for it and post.

There was not a word about Alvin's twin brother at any time after the murder. I recall information posted here stating that foreigners could purchase property in Mexico if it was purchased by a company with at least two people in the company. Alvin and his twin makes two.

If the condo was put into a company owned by Alvin and his twin ... and the Garlands probably know all too well how Alvin did business (see bankruptcies spanning 20 years) ... then if Garland money went into one of those corporations to purchase a condo, it probably meant that the money would never be seen again. That would be motive.

 

[otto]

I have been thinking about the crime map and the 2 homicides listed at Parkhill and how there is a third crime scene.

I can't help to wonder who was possibly taken elsewhere and why. Was NO a dilemma and taken to the third location and the last victim? Was the killer reluctant to harm him and wavered back and forth on it? Or was AL to be the last so to be toyed with, possibly questioned, tortured (not physically, but mentally over what just happened to KL and NO).

Or is it simply that there is only 'proof' that two persons succumbed to their injuries at Parkhill. The third person may have been superficially wounded at Parkhill (not mortally) and succumbed at a third scene.

And I'm wondering was a third crime scene in the plan? That all depends on the who the victim was at the third scene. Maybe that's where a mistake was made and evidence found.

A third crime scene says to me, one person left Parkhill alive but who and why?

There are two known crime scenes: the home where the murders occurred, and the home where some evidence was probably destroyed (such as bedding). Wasn't the discussion about a "third crime scene" some sort of rumour?

 

[LoisLane]

The link proves that police went to Mexico on August 6, after police knew that the victims were deceased. Therefore, police did not go to Mexico to look for the victims because there's no way that the victims could have gotten to Mexico after they were murdered in their home in June.

We do know that police did not go to Mexico to look for the murder victims.

There is a reason why they went there. The only connection between the murders and Mexico is the condo that was a joint Garland/Liknes purchase ... coincidentally, a condo linked to both the victims and the accused.

My impression and what I recall was that the information was released about LE going to Mexico after the murder charges were laid but that they would not comment as to when LE had left, and how long they were in Mexico. I assumed they had gone earlier on.

 

[otto]

I found this link ... been keeping my eyes open for it: regarding the crime scene clean up of the walls in the area where the rug was picked up ... that would most likely be the blue rug that was not exactly installed in the living room.

"The Liknes’ had purchased a home in Mazatlan, where they planned to live for part of the year. Neighbours say furniture was moved out of their Parkhill home recently.

“The moving truck was here and I came over to talk to the man, and he said ‘would you like to see the inside of the house?'” says Al, who didn’t want to give his last name. “He showed me around, and I noticed that rug was picked up and there was a lot of cleaning on the wall."

http://globalnews.ca/news/1492641/search-for-missing-calgary-family-moves-to-mexico/

 

[otto]

My impression and what I recall was that the information was released about LE going to Mexico after the murder charges were laid but that they would not comment as to when LE had left, and how long they were in Mexico. I assumed they had gone earlier on.

Police were in Mexico for work, and they were there on August 5. Someone in the media learned of this on August 5.

Murder charges were laid on July 15. Either police left in the first two weeks of July and they worked very slowly in Mexico, or police left after July 15 and finished their work in a couple of weeks.

I'm inclined to believe that they went there, got down to business, and came back in a short period of time ... most likely leaving around August 5. I am 100% certain that they were not looking for the victims in Mexico.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

There are two known crime scenes: the home where the murders occurred, and the home where some evidence was probably destroyed (such as bedding). Wasn't the discussion about a "third crime scene" some sort of rumour?

Yes, technically I guess it would be considered rumor since the source of the third crime scene came from one of our posters, but I think the poster who was kind enough to share the info is probably correct and legit.

That info *possibly* aligns with what MSM published that Search and Rescue had an area blocked off to search for bodies (old Cam Clark Ford dealership in Airdrie), and the exact day that search happened at that location (July 19th) was the same day they called off the acreage search, so they probably found something important to call off the entire acreage search.

And, IIRC MSM published somewhere land close to the acreage was being searched, so either of these might be a third crime scene, doesn't seem too far fetched.

So I'm going out on a limb, yes, but it's quite possible this is very true about a third crime scene as I believe the poster who offered this.

"Calgary Search and Rescue Police blocked off the entrance to the former Cam Clark Ford building off of East Lake Ramp on July 19, as part of the search for the bodies of Alvin Liknes, Kathy Liknes, and Nathan O’Brien of Calgary. The search on an Airdrie area rural property has since been called off and the matter is before the courts." (BBM)

The fact that the acreage was just dropped suddenly as a search area and was suddenly before the courts speaks volumes to me. For them to just stop, they had to have found something, but maybe I'm just stuck on this angle, I could be wrong of course!

http://www.airdriecityview.com/arti...d-murderer-s-case-held-over-search-called-off

 

[winnnancy]

DG is not out on bail nor have we heard of a bail application being made. Disclosure should be complete at this point?