Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #20

[JadeSLeuth]

Devastating ... Devastating.
Thought re: dumbbells in the garage ... Perhaps the perp intended to remove them and forgot them at the end.
Re: blood. Seems that a vehicle used to transport the victims would have a whole lot of blood evidence in/on it. My understanding is that this wouldn't be washed away simply and easily.
I agree with Otto, that one victim was attacked on the stairs and one in each of the two beds/ bedrooms.
Awful.

 

[wendiesan]

Jumping from JadeSleuth's first thought.

Thought re: dumbbells in the garage ... Perhaps the perp intended to remove them and forgot them at the end.

I think it took the alleged murderer longer to get home than he expected, that it took more energy than he expected to kill the victims, that is took longer to begin the disposal process than he expected, so he didn't make it back to the crime scene to make sure he'd covered all his tracks.

Remember that taxi drivers and other drivers were being questioned by LE after the discovery of the crime scene. Perhaps DG was spooked by the number of times a car went by, and perhaps he was concerned about his inability to tell if there was one cab returning because the driver had noticed DG behaving suspiciously or if it was more than one taxi circling the neighbourhood.

 

[kaley]

Is there a new thread? This is the last one I can find.

 

[Sillybilly]

The trial for accused triple murderer Douglas Garland is scheduled to begin on January 16, 2017 ...

His trial is scheduled to last five weeks.

from:
http://globalnews.ca/news/2141708/t...expected-to-be-announced-at-court-appearance/

 

[wendiesan]

from:
http://globalnews.ca/news/2141708/t...expected-to-be-announced-at-court-appearance/

Thank you for this information.
It must be very frustrating for the family to have to wait so long for a trial to begin.
But, it's our system.

Do you know if the gag order still in place, and, if so, if it will continue throughout the trial?

 

[Tealgrove]

Thank you for this information.
It must be very frustrating for the family to have to wait so long for a trial to begin.
But, it's our system.

Do you know if the gag order still in place, and, if so, if it will continue throughout the trial?

I would assume the "gag" order is definitely still in place and will be until the trial. I want to say that once the trial begins that all will be known but for some reason I think I heard from another case that it's actually possible that not all would be revealed.

In the Bernardo/Homolka trial there was a publication ban however once the actual trial began for Bernardo we knew everything and then some. They did withhold certain graphic details but we knew what happened.

 

[mrazda71]

January 2017!!!! I'm in the UK so a very different judicial system but for love of sanity, can someone explain to me why it takes SO long to get to trial over there?

Not to suggest that anyone could ever even begin to get over this awful event but I would hope that the trial will give the family some ... something!

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[wendiesan]

January 2017!!!! I'm in the UK so a very different judicial system but for love of sanity, can someone explain to me why it takes SO long to get to trial over there? Not to suggest that anyone could ever even begin to get over this awful event but I would hope that the trial will give the family some ... something!
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The criminal justice system here would be better described as a legal system in which the public has little confidence according to a report in 2014. But research shows Canadians also see the courts as too slow to deliver justice, and judges as handing out sentences that are too lenient.
The research indicates the public believes victims are too often ignored in the justice system, and that prisons do a poor job of rehabilitating offenders.
The study, prepared for a policing symposium last month in Ottawa, was obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act.

The federal report summarizes a decade's worth of opinion polls and research, some of it unpublished, that has consistently found high confidence in the police.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/study-...little-confidence-in-justice-system-1.1689727

 

[wendiesan]

FWIW
Apparently one reason for the delay of a speedy trial in Canada is the amount of evidence, its analysis, cataloguing, and presentation that is now being used by both sides of a case. The resulting length of time between the arrest of an alleged perpetrator and the trial to convict or exonerate is very long by anyone's estimation. And it has resulted in some cases in which the victim never gets a chance to see justice done.

Not only have cases been thrown out because of excessive delay in B.C., Ontario, Alberta and Nova Scotia, Crown attorneys from those provinces said many more are likely to follow.

There are likely thousands of cases in Canada staggering into the danger zone where a judge might throw them out for unreasonable delay, prosecutors said.

It is not that judges want to let potentially guilty people go, but that Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms declares that those charged with a crime have a right to face trial in a timely manner. When that doesn’t happen, one remedy is ending the prosecution altogether.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-courts-are-choking-on-an-increase-in-evidence

 

[Olivia&Eve]

I'm wondering if anyone can link me to any discussions that were had on this forum regarding JO disclosing that she did in fact already know her family was most likely deceased before she even walked in to do the press conference. I have been following the hailey dunbar forum and someone referenced this which is news to me. I don't recall ever hearing that.

 

[Snowglobe]

I'm wondering if anyone can link me to any discussions that were had on this forum regarding JO disclosing that she did in fact already know her family was most likely deceased before she even walked in to do the press conference. I have been following the hailey dunbar forum and someone referenced this which is news to me. I don't recall ever hearing that.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...g-calgary-5-year-old-grandparents-likely-dead

 

[Snowglobe]

I'm wondering if anyone can link me to any discussions that were had on this forum regarding JO disclosing that she did in fact already know her family was most likely deceased before she even walked in to do the press conference. I have been following the hailey dunbar forum and someone referenced this which is news to me. I don't recall ever hearing that.

This is not new:

http://injusticebusters.org/index.htm/newstories3.htm

Please take a look at a map showing the border crossings in southern Alberta and B.C. This man had connections to illegal drugs and some sort of connection to Cardston. Drug trafficking flows to and from the U.S. border and along Highway 3. Police in Montana are well familiar with the routes.

Children are shown no mercy.

 

[wendiesan]

I feel more and more strongly that justice delayed is justice denied, and DG will not stand trial, for yet another year, until January 16, 2017 unless further delays are granted. By then over two years will have passed since the murders were committed in 2014. And all the while, justice for Nathan, Kathy, and Alvin is suspended while DG lives in relative safety and comfort.

On some levels, I'm sure the delay is warranted. But for family and friends of Nathan, Kathy and Alvin, there must be a terrible tension in knowing that for at least a few months before as well as during the expected five weeks of DG's trial, they will have to relive the excruciating details of what most probably happened to their loved ones, what can be proved to have happened to their loved ones, what they deeply fear happened to their loved ones.

I hope that the O'Brien and Liknes families will be able to find some peace and joy in this coming Christmas Season, the second of the three they must observe before the trial begins.

 

[AC's Grandma]

I'm saddened that there's been no update on this case in such a long time.

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/04/11/former-liknes-home-torn-down

The only things left of Alvin and Kathy Liknes' Parkhill home is the foundation and a lot of memories — many surely good, but the final ones carrying the spectre of tragedy...

Garland will go to trial on three counts of first-degree murder in January of 2017.

Swinson explained the home was actually planned for demolition by a developer long before the tragedy occurred — the Likneses had planned to move.

 

[otto]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/04/11/former-liknes-home-torn-down

The home was owned by a lawyer when the murders occurred. It's quite possible that it was always his intent to demolish the home and build a couple of infills.

With the release of the Panama Papers, I wondered if Liknes had an account in Panama with hidden money from the companies that went into bankruptcy the day before he was murdered - given that he had a company in Panama, but no other ties to the area.

 

[otto]

There's also a question about bones recently found near a Innisfail - no word on details. The location is straight North of the Airdrie home of the accused.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/bones-found-in-rural-area-near-innisfail-1.2848377

 

[wendiesan]

FWIW

Transcript of CTV News, Calgary Broadcast
April 6, 2016

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/bones-found-in-rural-area-near-innisfail-1.2848377

Please note: this is my transcription of Bill Macfarlane's report. Any and all errors are my own. It is not an official transcript, and is not connected in any way with CTV, its employees, or the parties mentioned in the report.

News Anchor: Tara Nelson (TN)
Reporter: Bill Macfarlane (BMcF)
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Bones found in rural area near Innisfail.

TN: RCMP have cordoned off a wooded area in Central Alberta after a startling discovery. Someone found bones around 7:00 last night. The area is close to Innisfail, about 120 kilometres north of Calgary. Bill Macfarlane is at the scene. So, Bill, what do we know so far?

BMcF: Well, Tara, things have quieted down here considerably over the past hour and a half, but, for much of the day and, really, for almost twenty-four hours now, police have been going through this scene and pulling some evidence out of this wooded area.

It's next to a little body of water here, a little duck pond like you'd see in thousands of other places around the province. Police have gotten an area cordoned off here that's about 100 meters on one side by about maybe 50 meters on the other. We've seen the officers going through the heavy brush in there. We haven't seen them in the water at all today. They have taken at least a couple of bags out of that area. We've seen them photograph them and examine them somewhat before they packed them up.

Those items will be going to the medical examiner in Calgary for tomorrow to be examined and determined if those remains are human, or, possibly, an animal. That is about all the RCMP will confirm--that they are investigating remains. We've also seen dogs, police dogs, doing searches of some of the fields around this area and some of the ditches.

None of those searches appeared to show anything up, or, to turn anything up. And, in speaking with the neighbours, Tara, no one here seems to have any idea what this is about, or who or what those remains could belong to.

TN: Okay, Bill Macfarlane from Innisfail. Thank you, Bill.

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[JadeSLeuth]

Update on Wednesday or Thursday according to this article. Surely they know already if human.

http://www.innisfailprovince.ca/article/Origin-of-recovered-bones-being-tested-20160412

 

[Slebby]

Update on Wednesday or Thursday according to this article. Surely they know already if human.

http://www.innisfailprovince.ca/article/Origin-of-recovered-bones-being-tested-20160412

I suspect the bones were in bad shape, otherwise the would have said much earlier that the bones were human and they were simply determining cause and/or manner of death. For them to be unable to recognize the bones as human, in my opinion, means they were either fragments, or burned, or evidently dismembered, or all of the above, to the point of being beyond immediate recognition as human.

On the one hand, it makes me so hopeful about the L/O case, that perhaps their remains will be found and they will be put to rest by their families. It would make the case against the accused that much stronger to have bodies. But sadly, we also know there are many missing, especially missing women. I guess the most we can hope for, if the remains do turn out to be human, is that someone somewhere will finally have the peace of mind that comes from knowing with certainty the fate of their loved one(s) and that they may be given a proper burial.

It is such a horror to me, that these murderers cannot muster up one shred of human decency or remorse, and spare these families the sorrow of never finding the remains of their murdered loved ones. I feel the same way in the case of the McCanns, the St. Albert couple missing and presumed murdered.

IMHO