Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #20

[deugirtni]

In my 'deductions' as above (not my theory, I have different theories), KL would be the 1st victim in the home. Premeditated. Blood evidence immediately on site could have proven 'female human', perhaps no sign of NO at the time. Hence the AA noting only grandfather and boy. Then, yes, you are right, in the very beginning there seemed to be an indication that LE may have been entertaining the possibility of 2 people in the video of the green truck. If AL was 'taken against his own volition', and then murdered somewhere else, then that is automatically 'first degree' in itself, although likely would have been first degree either way.

Personally I doubt that the 2 showing on the crime map is only because they can only prove 2, because as debated previously, I don't believe they can say they can prove that (yet), and if so, they can also prove the 3rd one, because that is also their belief, based on their preponderance of evidence.

I think it is interesting how the June report is not downloadable from the crimestats site, and instead, only 'July' downloads in its place. On the one entitled 'monthly community crime statistics' which is in excel format for 2014, there is no indication of 3 murders in Parkhill area in June. (The only possible categories for homicide in that report are 'violence (other) non-domestic', or 'assault non-domestic').

But the crime map contradicts the 2014 excel report by showing 2 homicides in Parkhill in the past 6 months, while on the excel report it states that 2 'violence (other) non-domestic' occurrences took place in Parkhill during the past 6 months, but those 2 took place with one in July and one in August according to the excel spreadsheet, so those 2 that are showing on the excel spreadsheet are not even related to the L family since the L family crimes took place in June. So no homicides are listed at all for Parkhill for June in the excel document. If someone cares to have a look and say I'm wrong, go for it, but that is what I am seeing (sorry I don't know how to make a table work on this site so I pasted below, and the last 2 number '1's' took place in Parkhill, one for July, one for August 2014 (none for June) (and although it is under the only heading applicable to homicide, it could have been any type of violence).

Violence* 'Other' (Non-domestic) PARKHILL 2 1 1 1 1 1

Then on the only other available download/info for the period of June 2014, there are monthly community crime statistics in PDF format by the month. Every month works fine except for the month of June, which as mentioned above, instead downloads July's figures, same as for the July download, both are identical. June is simply missing. I just checked again now, and it is still set to download July (if you put your mouse on top of the June download, it tells you the document that will be downloaded (which I have done a few times already, so don't want to do it again), and it states the July report will be downloaded and not the June report.

So.. in light of the missing homicide info for the Parkhill neighbourhood on the official crime statistics site of the CPS on all available reports (link below), it suggests to me that those 3 homicides are not mentioned at all (although 2 of the 3 do appear on the 'crime map'). What I am curious about is whether that is because the 3 'homicides' have to be proven or judged to have occurred in a court of law, or if perhaps the 3 were murdered in a different area of the Crime stats report...... because..... when you follow the numbers along from one report to the next for total number of homicides thus far during 2014 on each report, and then compare with homicides counted and reported in the news, the numbers do match up (there were 22 homicides by end of July... August, September, and October also follow along... but.. although June's actual report is missing, we can see from May's total homicides to end of July's total homicides, the number includes the 3 members of the L family. In an earlier post way upthread or maybe in previous thread #19, I posted the listing of the homicides in Calgary. I can post again if anyone is interested, or you can find it by looking for it in 'my previous posts', but the numbers of these reports do match exactly with the actual homicides in Calgary....... but June is missing.... but the numbers carried forward from the missing report match by the end of July.

But the problem with the above paragraph is that if the trio were murdered in an area outside of Parkhill neighbourhood, then NO would automatically carry a first degree charge. So just another thing in this case that doesn't add up.

PS Also, on the crime map, if you select 'residential break-in' instead of homicide for the Parkhill neighbourhood within the past 6 months, it shows 3, and if you click on the '3', it brings up a box saying the dates of the 3 (none of which occurred on June 30th), however one did occur in that neighbourhood on the Sunday morning (when the estate sale would have been going on and before the trio went missing), as well as on 2 other mornings close to the time of this event (which seems odd that all 3 break-ins for that neighbourhood over 6 months all occurred within 2 weeks of this tragedy). Would be interested to know if the perps of those break-ins were questioned (or if LE even knows who they are) in relation to this investigation:

Near this location,
Residential Break In violations
occurred at the following 3 times:
2014/06/29 8:20AM
2014/06/24 6:40AM
2014/06/17 7:00AM

Near this location,
Homicide violations
occurred at the following 2 times:
2014/06/29 10:00PM
2014/06/29 10:00PM

Also, the excel spreadsheet mentioned above, downloaded from the crimestats website has another page of notes which includes the below quoted text (BBM), so if when the excel report was issued they did not yet know the 3 were homicides, the event still should have appeared as a violent incident, or at least a break-in, wouldn't one think?:

ALL CRIME CATEGORIES
Crime count is based on the most serious violation (MSV) per incident.
Unfounded cases have been excluded.
Date parameters are based on the start date as recorded in the CPS records management system (PIMS) for the incident.
Datasource PIMS (Datamart) run on the 4th of the month (or the next business day) for the previous month. This data is considered to be static.
Violence: These figures includes all violent crime offences as defined by the Universal Crime Reporting (UCR) rules. Domestic violence is excluded.
Break and Enter: Residential B&E includes both House and ‘Other’ structure break and enters due to the predominantly residential nature of this type of break in (e.g. detached garages, sheds). B&Es incidents include attempts.

In contrast, the pdf reports for each month are different in that instead of being 'static reports', it says they are dynamic reports. For anyone looking at the July report, it gives the total number of homicides for the year to date, which occurred by end of July, on page 9 of the 12 page report. (July's report states 4 homicides during the month of July, and that matches with the number of homicides in July in Calgary, so the June homicides were not later added to July, even though they were not deemed to be homicides until July).

*Due to the dynamic nature of ongoing homicide investigations these numbers may have been manually updated to reflect the current homicide count. Due to manually updating, it's possible 1 or more homicides may be reflected within the assault category. The homicide counts are provided by the homicide unit.

http://www.calgary.ca/cps/Pages/Statistics/Calgary-Police-statistical-reports.aspx

In case anyone isn't getting my point in all of this...... sorry it is so long..... there is differing information regarding this particular crime in different reports... one report is missing, perhaps a very enlightening report... because that missing report I believe would show which neighbourhood in which the 4 (total) murders in June 2014 in Calgary took place. The reason it is interesting to me is because the other reports for June 2014 from same source don't indicate murders in Parkhill. And then the crime map is different yet again, by only showing 2 murders instead of 3.

 

[deugirtni]

It is possible that Tinkerbel1 meant that you may be being a little presumptuous because you do not know whether Tinkerbel1 has in fact been intimately affected by a violent crime.

Until you have been intimately affected by a violent crime, had to painfully sit through the arduous process of an investigation, court and sentencing, you truly have no idea how you would react. It is very noble, yet naive to think that you would be able to stay true to a Pollyanna premise of compassion and love for all, even for someone that slaughtered your loved one, but the fact is, you truly do not know how you will react.

Our justice system is flawed and far from perfect, but it is our responsibility as citizens, to hold our elected officials and public servants accountable. It's again naive and frankly, irresponsible, to sit back and armchair quarterback a system that you have ultimately rubberstamped. If you are worried about how out LE and courts treat murderers and rapists, then by all means, meet with your Councilman or Police Chief and ask how you can get involved as a constituent to work towards a change in policy. Sit in court and watch how trials are conducted, and if you have a concern, make an appointment to speak with the Crown. Pontificating on a forum and questioning policy and decisions is pointless. Be the change you want to see in the world.

 

[deugirtni]

Ok, so after my very long-winded post above... I will also make this quick post. In regard to the site map only showing '2'.... well.... somewhere in those crime stats, they have to say ... homicide.. quantity... area... and I would hope that the data used for one report would be the same data used for other reports showing information laid out and offered differently, and that the stats people would not have to worry about which stats go with which report, and have to worry about fixing a multitude of different databases to ensure all are the same at all times. So.... as mentioned upthread, I think that missing June report would be extremely telling, and perhaps that is in fact why it is missing, since CPS doesn't want to give too much of their case away. MOO

ETA: Also, to support my assertion above, in that data would be extracted from the same source for all of those reports giving same info laid out differently... notice that on the crime map, it says the '2' homicides occurred at 10pm on June 29th... even though LE are not sure whether 10pm on the 29th, or 2am on the 30th.. they had to state a time/best guess(?).. so if they were not 100% certain where each of the 3 were murdered, they would also state an area (their best guess). They have to fill in something, or their stats won't add up. Which is why I say it would be very interesting to see that missing June report.

Ok nevermind, it will take more work than I was thinking, because... the pdf monthly reports do not indicate areas, so a little more difficult to match up. In fact, it would have to be a 3way search/matching.. but impossible to do I think, without that missing June report.

That does jive with the mention of a possible passenger early in the truck picture release information, and fits for those who think it is impossible to carry a 200lb body to a vehicle.

In your theory, KL is the second victim in the home, therefore LE would have some sort of evidence indicating possible premeditation. Given that the primary relationship is between DG and AL, it's not a stretch to think there would be evidence of planning for AL as well.

The 2 on the site map may only indicate what they can prove. It's the same for the 2nd degree murder charge. If there is no proof of death location anywhere for NO, but enough found somewhere to indicate death, then proving he was abducted first would be near impossible. Without any evidence of planning for NO, they may have had no choice but to go to 2nd degree.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The crime map doesn't indicate an unknown 3rd homicide somewhere in the city. That in itself hints that they don't know where one died, but presume to know where 2 did. What neighborhood do you put the stat in, if you don't know where it occurred? Perhaps you leave it out of location reports, but manually add the homicide to the homicide counts.

Has anyone determined that "Violence - Other" actually means homicide?

Has anyone determined if a homicide statistic also includes all the other minor crime stats that go with it, like break and enter, theft, vandalism, assault, use of a weapon, etc.?

It is not the norm for murder victims and or crime scenes not to be found. As such, the format the stats are kept in currently don't have a category for it, and aren't designed to deal with this sort of issue efficiently.

I don't see anything definitive as to who did what where coming out of the stats, be they correct, incorrect, incomplete or flawed. Again, the proof of death at the house is just as likely the 2 adults. If you cannot prove *where* NO died, you can't prove an abduction, and you can't really count it in a neighborhood stat.

 

[deugirtni]

Have you downloaded the crimestat reports that are downloadable to have a look at what's in them? (aside from looking at the crime map)? You will see what I mean. The PDF monthly version lists the number of homicides in a given month (and that report is changed with new info). The spreadsheet tells which areas. The only possible category for homicide would be 'violence (other) non-domestic' for the spreadsheet. In the spreadsheet it doesn't show anything for Parkhill for June. The trio's 'homicides' are included in the PDF report 'count' however. I think I read on one of the reports somewhere that the most severe charge is the one recorded, ie if someone broke and entered and then killed someone, the break and enter would not show up but the homicide would show up.

The crime map doesn't indicate an unknown 3rd homicide somewhere in the city. That in itself hints that they don't know where one died, but presume to know where 2 did. What neighborhood do you put the stat in, if you don't know where it occurred? Perhaps you leave it out of location reports, but manually add the homicide to the homicide counts.

Has anyone determined that "Violence - Other" actually means homicide?

Has anyone determined if a homicide statistic also includes all the other minor crime stats that go with it, like break and enter, theft, vandalism, assault, use of a weapon, etc.?

It is not the norm for murder victims and or crime scenes not to be found. As such, the format the stats are kept in currently don't have a category for it, and aren't designed to deal with this sort of issue efficiently.

I don't see anything definitive as to who did what where coming out of the stats, be they correct, incorrect, incomplete or flawed. Again, the proof of death at the house is just as likely the 2 adults. If you cannot prove *where* NO died, you can't prove an abduction, and you can't really count it in a neighborhood stat.

 

[otto]

The June Stats report is available through the CPS ... it's simply linked incorrectly. Additionally, it seems possible that the person responsible for entering the data isn't particularly meticulous when it comes to detail ... for example, the June report is incorrectly linked, and has been for 5 months - without correction.

Here's how to find the June report online: click on the July report and, in the URL, replace the word "July" with "June".

 

[otto]

Have you downloaded the crimestat reports that are downloadable to have a look at what's in them? (aside from looking at the crime map)? You will see what I mean. The PDF monthly version lists the number of homicides in a given month (and that report is changed with new info). The spreadsheet tells which areas. The only possible category for homicide would be 'violence (other) non-domestic' for the spreadsheet. In the spreadsheet it doesn't show anything for Parkhill for June. The trio's 'homicides' are included in the PDF report 'count' however. I think I read on one of the reports somewhere that the most severe charge is the one recorded, ie if someone broke and entered and then killed someone, the break and enter would not show up but the homicide would show up.

The murders occurred at the end of June and were declared homicides in mid-July. Perhaps that's why they were included in the July report. Perhaps reports are not retroactively updated, but the stats are instead added in the month where the information is learned.

 

[deugirtni]

Thank you otto, brilliant! So I changed the filename and downloaded the June report.. however, the numbers are not correct.. only listing 15 homicides in Calgary for 2014 up to end of June, and the L family ups that number to 18, so the 3 are missing from that report. It does say that this particular report is dynamic and will be changed manually as information may change. Then in July, it does tally the 3 into the year-to-date total, listing 22 homicides even though there were only 4 in the month of July 2014, which, if added to June's tally of 15, would only total 19 and not 22 as listed.
If the homicides in June were included in July's homicide figures instead of June's because it wasn't determined until July that the 3 were homicides, then along with the total, it would also list 7 homicides, and not 4 as it currently lists. So... any way you look at it, 3 are missing from these reports, although the 3 are NOT missing from the July year-to-date total.
That is why I am suspicious of this, because the numbers are there, but yet they are not included in the report, the report is improperly linked so people won't generally know how to download it to see the error, the numbers are different on the crime map, the numbers don't appear on the excel document for the Parkhill neighbourhood.. too many things with this that don't make sense. I can't accept that City of Calgary and CPS can leave such large errors for 5 full months and especially when it involves such a high profile case, unless it is for a reason. MOO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In my 'deductions' as above (not my theory, I have different theories), KL would be the 1st victim in the home. Premeditated. Blood evidence immediately on site could have proven 'female human', perhaps no sign of NO at the time. Hence the AA noting only grandfather and boy. Then, yes, you are right, in the very beginning there seemed to be an indication that LE may have been entertaining the possibility of 2 people in the video of the green truck. If AL was 'taken against his own volition', and then murdered somewhere else, then that is automatically 'first degree' in itself, although likely would have been first degree either way.

Personally I doubt that the 2 showing on the crime map is only because they can only prove 2, because as debated previously, I don't believe they can say they can prove that (yet), and if so, they can also prove the 3rd one, because that is also their belief, based on their preponderance of evidence.

I think it is interesting how the June report is not downloadable from the crimestats site, and instead, only 'July' downloads in its place. On the one entitled 'monthly community crime statistics' which is in excel format for 2014, there is no indication of 3 murders in Parkhill area in June. (The only possible categories for homicide in that report are 'violence (other) non-domestic', or 'assault non-domestic').

But the crime map contradicts the 2014 excel report by showing 2 homicides in Parkhill in the past 6 months, while on the excel report it states that 2 'violence (other) non-domestic' occurrences took place in Parkhill during the past 6 months, but those 2 took place with one in July and one in August according to the excel spreadsheet, so those 2 that are showing on the excel spreadsheet are not even related to the L family since the L family crimes took place in June. So no homicides are listed at all for Parkhill for June in the excel document. If someone cares to have a look and say I'm wrong, go for it, but that is what I am seeing (sorry I don't know how to make a table work on this site so I pasted below, and the last 2 number '1's' took place in Parkhill, one for July, one for August 2014 (none for June) (and although it is under the only heading applicable to homicide, it could have been any type of violence).


Then on the only other available download/info for the period of June 2014, there are monthly community crime statistics in PDF format by the month. Every month works fine except for the month of June, which as mentioned above, instead downloads July's figures, same as for the July download, both are identical. June is simply missing. I just checked again now, and it is still set to download July (if you put your mouse on top of the June download, it tells you the document that will be downloaded (which I have done a few times already, so don't want to do it again), and it states the July report will be downloaded and not the June report.

So.. in light of the missing homicide info for the Parkhill neighbourhood on the official crime statistics site of the CPS on all available reports (link below), it suggests to me that those 3 homicides are not mentioned at all (although 2 of the 3 do appear on the 'crime map'). What I am curious about is whether that is because the 3 'homicides' have to be proven or judged to have occurred in a court of law, or if perhaps the 3 were murdered in a different area of the Crime stats report...... because..... when you follow the numbers along from one report to the next for total number of homicides thus far during 2014 on each report, and then compare with homicides counted and reported in the news, the numbers do match up (there were 22 homicides by end of July... August, September, and October also follow along... but.. although June's actual report is missing, we can see from May's total homicides to end of July's total homicides, the number includes the 3 members of the L family. In an earlier post way upthread or maybe in previous thread #19, I posted the listing of the homicides in Calgary. I can post again if anyone is interested, or you can find it by looking for it in 'my previous posts', but the numbers of these reports do match exactly with the actual homicides in Calgary....... but June is missing.... but the numbers carried forward from the missing report match by the end of July.

But the problem with the above paragraph is that if the trio were murdered in an area outside of Parkhill neighbourhood, then NO would automatically carry a first degree charge. So just another thing in this case that doesn't add up.

PS Also, on the crime map, if you select 'residential break-in' instead of homicide for the Parkhill neighbourhood within the past 6 months, it shows 3, and if you click on the '3', it brings up a box saying the dates of the 3 (none of which occurred on June 30th), however one did occur in that neighbourhood on the Sunday morning (when the estate sale would have been going on and before the trio went missing), as well as on 2 other mornings close to the time of this event (which seems odd that all 3 break-ins for that neighbourhood over 6 months all occurred within 2 weeks of this tragedy). Would be interested to know if the perps of those break-ins were questioned (or if LE even knows who they are) in relation to this investigation:





Also, the excel spreadsheet mentioned above, downloaded from the crimestats website has another page of notes which includes the below quoted text (BBM), so if when the excel report was issued they did not yet know the 3 were homicides, the event still should have appeared as a violent incident, or at least a break-in, wouldn't one think?:


In contrast, the pdf reports for each month are different in that instead of being 'static reports', it says they are dynamic reports. For anyone looking at the July report, it gives the total number of homicides for the year to date, which occurred by end of July, on page 9 of the 12 page report. (July's report states 4 homicides during the month of July, and that matches with the number of homicides in July in Calgary, so the June homicides were not later added to July, even though they were not deemed to be homicides until July).



http://www.calgary.ca/cps/Pages/Statistics/Calgary-Police-statistical-reports.aspx

In case anyone isn't getting my point in all of this...... sorry it is so long..... there is differing information regarding this particular crime in different reports... one report is missing, perhaps a very enlightening report... because that missing report I believe would show which neighbourhood in which the 4 (total) murders in June 2014 in Calgary took place. The reason it is interesting to me is because the other reports for June 2014 from same source don't indicate murders in Parkhill. And then the crime map is different yet again, by only showing 2 murders instead of 3.

The crime stats are extremely puzzling, I can't figure out why there would be a data error, there shouldn't be.

The whole reason for stats is to keep track of information. These aren't just stats for little things, this is important information, if a hospital or doctor had messed up stats it would be unacceptable. Some stats might be considered legal documents also. I' don't think these are legal docs, but maybe a courtesy to the public. There's no reason they should be wrong.

 

[LoisLane]

The Calgary Herald has revealed their new web format. Searching articles is a much friendlier format and easily accessible. The articles for this crime are easily grouped together. Yay!

 

[LoisLane]

The crime stats are extremely puzzling, I can't figure out why there would be a data error, there shouldn't be.

The whole reason for stats is to keep track of information. These aren't just stats for little things, this is important information, if a hospital or doctor had messed up stats it would be unacceptable. Some stats might be considered legal documents also. I' don't think these are legal docs, but maybe a courtesy to the public. There's no reason they should be wrong.

It is puzzling and I assume not a big deal for most. The crime stats are only listed on the crime map for 6 months so these stats will be gone soon. I have started mapping all homicides in all neighborhoods to see if another homicide is listed in the time frame. Nothing yet. Too bad Airdrie does not have a crime map.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Until you have been intimately affected by a violent crime, had to painfully sit through the arduous process of an investigation, court and sentencing, you truly have no idea how you would react. It is very noble, yet naive to think that you would be able to stay true to a Pollyanna premise of compassion and love for all, even for someone that slaughtered your loved one, but the fact is, you truly do not know how you will react.

Our justice system is flawed and far from perfect, but it is our responsibility as citizens, to hold our elected officials and public servants accountable. It's again naive and frankly, irresponsible, to sit back and armchair quarterback a system that you have ultimately rubberstamped. If you are worried about how out LE and courts treat murderers and rapists, then by all means, meet with your Councilman or Police Chief and ask how you can get involved as a constituent to work towards a change in policy. Sit in court and watch how trials are conducted, and if you have a concern, make an appointment to speak with the Crown. Pontificating on a forum and questioning policy and decisions is pointless. Be the change you want to see in the world.

And...are you sure I haven't been affected by such a thing? Perhaps you could bother to find out the details of a person's experiences, before you judge.
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Yes..."Be the change you want to see in the world", is right. That includes forgiveness and compassion in any situation. Polyanna nor naïve are the right terms...it's called being able to understand that there is a connection to ALL people, not just those you like or agree with. It's also the ability to see past appearances to what lies beneath the obvious shortcomings and horrible behaviour in each and every person. If you have trouble with that concept, that is fine...I, do not. In my opinion, it is not our place to judge anyone, no matter what the situation. It also doesn't help bring peace to the planet by hating anyone that steps out of what's right and wrong. There will be no change if compassion and forgiveness, especially for people that act in horrific ways, aren't extended.

I'm not the one with the rubberstamp sweetie, nor am I armchair quarterbacking, I leave that to those that know it all about the system.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It is puzzling and I assume not a big deal for most. The crime stats are only listed on the crime map for 6 months so these stats will be gone soon. I have started mapping all homicides in all neighborhoods to see if another homicide is listed in the time frame. Nothing yet. Too bad Airdrie does not have a crime map.

It isn't the map that bugs me, it's the published reports and spreadsheet. Might not be important but they should be accurate, just irks me that they don't seem to be!

I know! I thought the same! I looked for an Airdrie crime map too and stats/info, but found nothing.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It isn't the map that bugs me, it's the published reports and spreadsheet. Might not be important but they should be accurate, just irks me that they don't seem to be!

I know! I thought the same! I looked for an Airdrie crime map too and stats/info, but found nothing.

Accurate how though? A category for "Homicide - Unknown Location (subject to possible future court challenge)"? If they release "unknown location", is that too much information because the case is in front of the courts? Do they categorize it by date of disappearance, or by date of declaration of death?

To me, the stats are too ambiguous to read anything into them. Even if accurate to the dates... then yes... LE said 3 died, and there it is in the stats. No one is any further ahead.

 

[news.talk]

And...are you sure I haven't been affected by such a thing? Perhaps you could bother to find out the details of a person's experiences, before you judge.
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Yes..."Be the change you want to see in the world", is right. That includes forgiveness and compassion in any situation. Polyanna nor naïve are the right terms...it's called being able to understand that there is a connection to ALL people, not just those you like or agree with. It's also the ability to see past appearances to what lies beneath the obvious shortcomings and horrible behaviour in each and every person. If you have trouble with that concept, that is fine...I, do not. In my opinion, it is not our place to judge anyone, no matter what the situation. It also doesn't help bring peace to the planet by hating anyone that steps out of what's right and wrong. There will be no change if compassion and forgiveness, especially for people that act in horrific ways, aren't extended.

I'm not the one with the rubberstamp sweetie, nor am I armchair quarterbacking, I leave that to those that know it all about the system.

Considering you have said that you have never been the victim of a violent crime, it is hardly judging nor presumptuous.

As for the rest? Clearly you missed the point, again.

 

[Slebby]

Regarding the discrepancies in the crime stats/crime map - here's a theory to explain why only 2 murders are listed, not 3.

Let's say there is a lot of blood at the crime scene, which I believe to be true. Let's say that after all the forensic testing, it becomes clear that there was enough blood, identified by DNA to belong to 2 of the victims, to determine they could not have survived that degree of blood loss. There is also a lot of blood from the 3rd victim. Let's go further and suggest the 3rd victim is NO. The amount of his blood found in the L home is not enough to determine he died there. However, evidence found elsewhere completes the conclusion that NO is dead. Elsewhere could be the dump - bedding was taken away by LE which may have been utterly blood-stained, with enough of NO's blood to determine he had indeed bled out while wrapped in the bedding. There would be no way to know for certain if NO died at the L home or in the back of the truck, or at a 2nd or 3rd crime scene. Hence the crime stats could not conclude he had died there. But LE could still know, from forensic evidence, that NO is, in fact, dead.

Just an idea...

IMHO


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[otto]

Thank you otto, brilliant! So I changed the filename and downloaded the June report.. however, the numbers are not correct.. only listing 15 homicides in Calgary for 2014 up to end of June, and the L family ups that number to 18, so the 3 are missing from that report. It does say that this particular report is dynamic and will be changed manually as information may change. Then in July, it does tally the 3 into the year-to-date total, listing 22 homicides even though there were only 4 in the month of July 2014, which, if added to June's tally of 15, would only total 19 and not 22 as listed.
If the homicides in June were included in July's homicide figures instead of June's because it wasn't determined until July that the 3 were homicides, then along with the total, it would also list 7 homicides, and not 4 as it currently lists. So... any way you look at it, 3 are missing from these reports, although the 3 are NOT missing from the July year-to-date total.
That is why I am suspicious of this, because the numbers are there, but yet they are not included in the report, the report is improperly linked so people won't generally know how to download it to see the error, the numbers are different on the crime map, the numbers don't appear on the excel document for the Parkhill neighbourhood.. too many things with this that don't make sense. I can't accept that City of Calgary and CPS can leave such large errors for 5 full months and especially when it involves such a high profile case, unless it is for a reason. MOO.

These are the June and July reports. In June 2014 there was 1 homicide, and in July 2014 there were 4. That accurately reflects the three murders in Parkhill that were determined to be homicides in mid-July.

 

[LoisLane]

It isn't the map that bugs me, it's the published reports and spreadsheet. Might not be important but they should be accurate, just irks me that they don't seem to be!

I know! I thought the same! I looked for an Airdrie crime map too and stats/info, but found nothing.

I agree. Why are they posting stats if they are not going to do it right? Do the spreadsheets say when they were created? Maybe whoever is responsible decided that the homicides shouldn't be published the way they are shown on the crime map and the spreadsheets were posted afterwards. Maybe it would be too telling if they updated the crime map and removed the 2 homicides completely. If so, we could assume that murder did not in fact take place in Parkhill. But of course we won't have any clarification and it is another curious tidbit to add to the list of potential "AHA! Moments" we could have one day...if ever...or never... I sure hope the three are found before May.

 

[LoisLane]

These are the June and July reports. In June 2014 there was 1 homicide, and in July 2014 there were 4. That accurately reflects the three murders in Parkhill that were determined to be homicides in mid-July.

Here is a list of July homicides that equal 4, not including the Liknes couple or NO.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/2...urder-rate-could-hit-level-not-seen-for-years

July 4 — Colton James Crowshoe, 18, is last seen by friends in the Abbeydale area. On July 24, Crowshoe’s body is found in a water retention point near Stoney Tr. and 16 Ave. N.E. Police do not release the cause of death, but say they believe the case is a homicide.

July 5 — Ayuen Ajak Goot, also known as Devon Goot, 18, is found unconscious in a strip mall parking long at 2936 Radcliffe Dr. S.E. and taken to hospital. He succumbs to his injuries July 15. Police say they believe it was a targeted attack and the victim was known to the suspects. Ojullo Mark Ojullo, 20, and Shannon Jabet, 19, are each charged with one count of second-degree murder.

July 26 — The body of a 49-year-old woman is found in a home in the 2800 block of 14 Ave. S.W. Her son has been charged with second-degree murder.

July 27 — Brian Blackkettle is found unconscious at Century Gardens in downtown Calgary. He is transported to hospital where he is pronounced dead. An autopsy confirms he was slain and on July 29 police announce it was by the hands of someone the victim knew.

 

[news.talk]

Here is a list of July homicides that equal 4, not including the Liknes couple or NO.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/2...urder-rate-could-hit-level-not-seen-for-years

July 4 — Colton James Crowshoe, 18, is last seen by friends in the Abbeydale area. On July 24, Crowshoe’s body is found in a water retention point near Stoney Tr. and 16 Ave. N.E. Police do not release the cause of death, but say they believe the case is a homicide.

July 5 — Ayuen Ajak Goot, also known as Devon Goot, 18, is found unconscious in a strip mall parking long at 2936 Radcliffe Dr. S.E. and taken to hospital. He succumbs to his injuries July 15. Police say they believe it was a targeted attack and the victim was known to the suspects. Ojullo Mark Ojullo, 20, and Shannon Jabet, 19, are each charged with one count of second-degree murder.

July 26 — The body of a 49-year-old woman is found in a home in the 2800 block of 14 Ave. S.W. Her son has been charged with second-degree murder.

July 27 — Brian Blackkettle is found unconscious at Century Gardens in downtown Calgary. He is transported to hospital where he is pronounced dead. An autopsy confirms he was slain and on July 29 police announce it was by the hands of someone the victim knew.

Hey Lois... Since this is public info, have you or anyone else ever inquired directly with the CPS as to the inconsistency concerns?