Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #20

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At the game tonight. Cheering for both teams but my money is on the CPS guys.... [emoji12] Here is a photo of the team getting ready:

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Did you take this photo?
 
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Since this happened shortly before this case and also in a preliminary hearing...

Witnesses began testifying Monday morning as the preliminary inquiry began for a Calgary man accused of stabbing five people to death in the city’s worst mass killing.

The hearing will determine whether there is enough evidence to proceed to a trial against Matthew de Grood, who is charged with five counts of first-degree murder...

Read full story:

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/preliminary-hearing-begins-in-case-of-citys-worst-mass-killing
 
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We had discussed way back about the transparency within the office of the Chief Medical Examiner. I thought I would share this current story regarding the recently dismissed ME Anny Sauvageau.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-security-gaps-missing-guns/article23381019/

"A former chief medical examiner says Alberta’s handling of post-mortem examinations is so riddled with security gaps that staff can go in and change an official cause of death without a trace.

Anny Sauvageau says she found missing guns, questionable money handling and a system that allows people with criminal records to transport bodies from crime scenes — something she says gives them control over a critical legal chain of evidence."
 
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We had discussed way back about the transparency within the office of the Chief Medical Examiner. I thought I would share this current story regarding the recently dismissed ME Anny Sauvageau.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-security-gaps-missing-guns/article23381019/

"A former chief medical examiner says Alberta’s handling of post-mortem examinations is so riddled with security gaps that staff can go in and change an official cause of death without a trace.

Anny Sauvageau says she found missing guns, questionable money handling and a system that allows people with criminal records to transport bodies from crime scenes — something she says gives them control over a critical legal chain of evidence."
As soon as I saw the headline of this article I started to feel sick to my stomach. My mom passed away suddenly in Calgary under what our family thought was suspicious circumstances. But were soon told it was a heart attack, that she was found slumped over a plate of food in the early morning hours by her husband. She was only 53......I waited 8 months for an autopsy report. The report says combined drug toxicity and heart attack as cause of death. My mothers husband was an *** and I still feel something was missed. There was a fire at her apartment the evening of her funeral. W.T.F and why is this going on :( in our world. Some people cannot even get a job at a gas station and the fact that there are criminals involved with the ME is just wrong>
 
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As soon as I saw the headline of this article I started to feel sick to my stomach. My mom passed away suddenly in Calgary under what our family thought was suspicious circumstances. But were soon told it was a heart attack, that she was found slumped over a plate of food in the early morning hours by her husband. She was only 53......I waited 8 months for an autopsy report. The report says combined drug toxicity and heart attack as cause of death. My mothers husband was an *** and I still feel something was missed. There was a fire at her apartment the evening of her funeral. W.T.F and why is this going on :( in our world. Some people cannot even get a job at a gas station and the fact that there are criminals involved with the ME is just wrong>

I'm sorry about your mother. It's hard enough to lose one's mother...I can't imagine the additional anguish you must feel regarding the suspicious circumstances about your mother's death.
 
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I'm sorry about your mother. It's hard enough to lose one's mother...I can't imagine the additional anguish you must feel regarding the suspicious circumstances about your mother's death.
Thank you
I sure hope that nothing happened with this case like this as this family has lost way too much and endured a lot of pain.
 
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Wow, incredible, I had not heard about her non-renewal.

I really hope that an unbiased party with ethics does a complete review of this woman's allegations. Her allegations do not seem far fetched at all, imho. I hope she took copies of her 'evidence' with her before she was not renewed and presumably escorted out of her office.

I know just from working all of my life, that things go on in most places of work that aren't supposed to go on, and that government legislation has become a nightmare to deal with, however all of the private companies are supposed to act according to regulations, so why shouldn't the government itself also have to oblige. And these things aren't minor in nature.

It is interesting to me to read about her concerns regarding the changes that can be made within the computer system without there being a trace. Where i work we have what is considered to be a 'high tech' management system, but a few years ago errors were being discovered, and when I investigated as to why/how/who they were happening, we discovered that we had a rogue employee who was just smart enough to know a little bit, and he was making 'corrections' to his mistakes, but without telling anyone. His 'corrections' were completely invisible to see within this 'high tech sytem'. I mean... the corrected version would show up, but it would not say when it got changed, by whom, from what. Our system and business of course is minor in nature compared to the importance of what Ms. Sauvageau is talking about, and we always expect that those in authority know what they're doing. I can envision when I read this news article, how that type of thing can happen. It is all in the programming, implementation of checks and balances, access permissions, and oversight from higher ups. If someone is not on his/her toes, he/she would never know this problem existed. It sounds like Ms. Sauvageau, for as difficult as she may have seemed to be in getting along with others, was able to look into it and find these lapses and oversights, and she was likely seen as a problem for wanting these things to be corrected.

On another point in the article, I remember reading several years ago locally, a newspaper article about who it is exactly that picks up the dead bodies from crime scenes if they have been murdered, for transport to the morgue for autopsy. It isn't an ambulance, and it isn't a hearse. It talked about some fellow who did this for a living. I can easily see how just 'someone' might be hired.. because perhaps he's one of few offering such a service. What ARE his credentials? Likely none, and possibly from the shady side, because who would really want to have to do that? Who knows? I believe Ms. Sauvageau is right in that these people are not just picking up the things that nobody else wants to do, they hold an extremely important job in the preservation of critical evidence, and if something were to be altered somehow, who would ever know, and who is held accountable? If they hire criminals to perform such services, who is to say they aren't making additional monies on the side for add-on services? Criminals seem to know one another.... jeez what a thought!

The detail that she has given into the things that are wrong, give weight to her concerns, imho, enough to suggest they are much more than just retaliation against her non-renewal, although I'm sure they will want to present it like that in court as their defence (if it even ever reaches a courtroom, which I doubt). When you think that people could be sent away for 25 years or more of their lives based on evidence which could have been manhandled, it's a scary thought!

We had discussed way back about the transparency within the office of the Chief Medical Examiner. I thought I would share this current story regarding the recently dismissed ME Anny Sauvageau.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-security-gaps-missing-guns/article23381019/

"A former chief medical examiner says Alberta’s handling of post-mortem examinations is so riddled with security gaps that staff can go in and change an official cause of death without a trace.

Anny Sauvageau says she found missing guns, questionable money handling and a system that allows people with criminal records to transport bodies from crime scenes — something she says gives them control over a critical legal chain of evidence."
 
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As soon as I saw the headline of this article I started to feel sick to my stomach. My mom passed away suddenly in Calgary under what our family thought was suspicious circumstances. But were soon told it was a heart attack, that she was found slumped over a plate of food in the early morning hours by her husband. She was only 53......I waited 8 months for an autopsy report. The report says combined drug toxicity and heart attack as cause of death. My mothers husband was an *** and I still feel something was missed. There was a fire at her apartment the evening of her funeral. W.T.F and why is this going on :( in our world. Some people cannot even get a job at a gas station and the fact that there are criminals involved with the ME is just wrong>

My sympathies for your loss. Your situation does sound very suspect especially when factoring in the fire. I wonder if cases will be re-examined now that this news has been made public. It amazes me that criminals are employed to be on the front lines of criminal investigations. My guess is there is knowlege of this in the crime world and that possibly it serves a purpose for certain criminals. It makes me sick. I hope these protocals are investigated with urgency and there is accountability and justice for those who may have been wronged.

I hope you are able to have a more satisfactory conclusion in regards to your mom and that if foul play can be proven that it is done so.
 
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My sympathies for your loss. Your situation does sound very suspect especially when factoring in the fire. I wonder if cases will be re-examined now that this news has been made public. It amazes me that criminals are employed to be on the front lines of criminal investigations. My guess is there is knowlege of this in the crime world and that possibly it serves a purpose for certain criminals. It makes me sick. I hope these protocals are investigated with urgency and there is accountability and justice for those who may have been wronged.

I hope you are able to have a more satisfactory conclusion in regards to your mom and that if foul play can be proven that it is done so.
The only person that was helpful was a news reporter with the Calgary SUN (bless them). The police did not return the call about the fire Nadia Moharib found the cause for me. Apparently it was accidental, go figure :(.
 
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The only person that was helpful was a news reporter with the Calgary SUN (bless them). The police did not return the call about the fire Nadia Moharib found the cause for me. Apparently it was accidental, go figure :(.

So many thoughts going thru my head about this! I can't imagine how you must feel. If you ever need some sleuthers I am here for you.
 
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So many thoughts going thru my head about this! I can't imagine how you must feel. If you ever need some sleuthers I am here for you.
I been really upset since I read the article, I broke down when my husband came home for lunch today. He wants me to get in contact with Anny but how does a regular everyday person like me do that. I need answers.....I have a thread on here with my moms info and more detailed description. I will see if I can find it and will PM you. Thanks for your support
 
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I been really upset since I read the article, I broke down when my husband came home for lunch today. He wants me to get in contact with Anny but how does a regular everyday person like me do that. I need answers.....I have a thread on here with my moms info and more detailed description. I will see if I can find it and will PM you. Thanks for your support

My heart aches for you, I am sending you some virtual hugs and warm tea!

I think your husband has made a good suggestion.

One thing I have been amazed about since joining this forum is the requests for information that I have made when looking for clarification and the responses I have received. I think you could have a very good chance to get in touch with AS. A letter sent to various individuals with their names included would be my strategy. The names I would include and direct the letter to would be AS, the MLA(?) who is requesting the independant review of the ME Office, the doctor who perscribed her medication, the police file number and contact if available, the news reporter from the Sun that you dealt with, and the current media who are publishing the news regarding the Current flaws in the system with regards to the ME Office.

I wonder if the police would look into the case again for you and if they could sit down with you and hear you out and answer any of your questions. Possibly there is a way to file a formal request. It would also be interesting to track "X" down and see if he has been in any trouble these past few years that could show a pattern of behaviour.
 
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