Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #20

[news.talk]

Well... many of those who mass kill out of anger are doing it for the first time. Serial killing has an element of pleasure and need to it, rather than a targeted person and reason.

The killing of NO was likely not planned, was spur of the moment, and done to eliminate any interruption or witness of the planned crime.

True, but that was because he was not expected to be there. The Liknes' were however, premeditated and I suspect, for quite some time. This wasn't a spur of the moment homicide, IMO. Additionally, there is a good reason why they were looking at other cases in relation to DG... Clearly he fits a profile that peaked their interest.

 

[news.talk]

If this case of remains being found 'next to agricultural land', if the case was passed on to the KARE Project, would that mean they suspect that it is the remains of a woman with a high-risk lifestyle? Or does KARE take on any remains? Or even if not particularly fitting others in the KARE Project, might they get involved to check similarities?

You may want to ask that in the link Silly provided.

 

[deugirtni]

I am 99.99% certain that police have the authority to collect a DNA sample, with or without an accused's consent, once they have been arrested and charged with a crime such as the ones DG has been charged with. No doubt LE would be doing that (well, let's *hope* anyway!)

I wonder if LE now has a DNA sample of DG and has cross referenced it with the missing women cases...

 

[lynck]

I only posted the link to the found remains outside Edmonton in here, in the event they belong to one of the deceased in this case. Doubtful, but still plausable. I can't help but wonder if there are more remains in the area. Hopefully LE cases the neighbourhood since this seems to be a common dumping ground for bodies over the last several years?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

True, but that was because he was jot expected to be there. The Liknes' were however, premeditated and I suspect, for quite some time. This wasn't a spur of the moment homicide, IMO. Additionally, there is a good reason why they were looking at other cases in relation to DG... Clearly he fits a profile that peaked their interest.

I agree, the loner living with parents is THE ridiculously stereotypical profile of someone capable of such acts.

It was, however, most likely targeted with a very personal reason attached, much like many of the mass murders are planned well in advance. The only difference being the plan extended to getting away with it quietly, rather than a very public battle and suicide.

The lack of any sign of a personal relationship in DG's life makes one question what he did for loneliness and company, not to mention gratification.

 

[deugirtni]

LE's theory is that it was premeditated due to ongoing anger in regard to the patent, so revenge.. last chance to get him, type of deal, before he moves on out of province/country.. so that wouldn't fit with other serial killings of women, would it? Also, some of the 'mass murders out of anger' have also been premeditated, shown by actions such as taking a gun to school, or whatever.

True, but that was because he was not expected to be there. The Liknes' were however, premeditated and I suspect, for quite some time. This wasn't a spur of the moment homicide, IMO. Additionally, there is a good reason why they were looking at other cases in relation to DG... Clearly he fits a profile that peaked their interest.

 

[news.talk]

I agree, the loner living with parents is THE ridiculously stereotypical profile of someone capable of such acts.

It was, however, most likely targeted with a very personal reason attached. Much like many of the mass murders are planned well in advance. The only difference being the plan extended to getting away with it quietly, rather than a very public battle and suicide.

The lack of any sign of a personal relationship in DG's life makes one question what he did for loneliness and company, not to mention gratification.

Your last sentences sum up my thoughts as well... He was described as "anti-social" so he obviously wasn't much of a ladies man. We haven't heard of ANY past relationships at all, leading me to think that he may have preferred the company of someone he could pay and control, rather than have to behave.

 

[deugirtni]

That's another thing that I found immediately disturbing when I read this news article, was that the remains were found not far from the area in which another body had been found.. I'm wondering why LE wouldn't have included some kind of searching in that area as well.

I only posted the link to the found remains outside Edmonton in here, in the event they belong to one of the deceased in this case. Doubtful, but still plausable. I can't help but wonder if there are more remains in the area. Hopefully LE cases the neighbourhood since this seems to be a common dumping ground for bodies over the last several years?

 

[news.talk]

LE's theory is that it was premeditated due to ongoing anger in regard to the patent, so revenge.. last chance to get him, type of deal, before he moves on out of province/country.. so that wouldn't fit with other serial killings of women, would it? Also, some of the 'mass murders out of anger' have also been premeditated, shown by actions such as taking a gun to school, or whatever.

Actually, I don't recall LE ever stating definitively their theory on motive. "We" have discussed it as a possibility because it was the only issue raised by MSM. This case has been unusually locked down as far as motive is concerned.

 

[LoisLane]

DG may have needed to satisfy his sexual frustrations and so he chose to target high-risk lifestyle women. His sexual needs could be a frustration of built up anger and once he has his release he murders them to satisfy/release his anger and contempt. Then he tosses the body, cleans his truck, goes back home for chores.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Your last sentences sum up my thoughts as well... He was described as "anti-social" so he obviously wasn't much of a ladies man. We haven't heard of ANY past relationships at all, leading me to think that he may have preferred the company of someone he could pay and control, rather than have to behave.

You're assuming he was attracted to women. There may be relationships in his past that no one is speaking about, given the family church involvement, and the conservative nature of the area itself.

There has been almost nothing in the press though, from friends, ex coworkers, family... anyone... to suggest anything but loner.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't know, I'm pretty sure they offered it up as motive in MSM. Will have to go back to look. To me, that didn't make sense, which is one of the (many) reasons why I'm having difficulty with this one.

Actually, I don't recall LE ever stating definitively their theory on motive. "We" have discussed it as a possibility because it was the only issue raised by MSM. This case has been unusually locked down as far as motive is concerned.

 

[news.talk]

You're assuming he was attracted to women. There may be relationships in his past that no one is speaking about, given the family church involvement, and the conservative nature of the area itself.

There has been almost nothing in the press though, from friends, ex coworkers, family... anyone... to suggest anything but loner.

Which could possibly explain the anger and explosive behaviour. He could have used prostitutes to take out his anger on, or cope with the repression, whatever it may be.

 

[lynck]

Is it just me, or does Alberta seem like a good script for a Criminal Minds episode? My goodness things seem to have turned sour over there in the past couple years. Bizarre stuff for sure.

I am really looking forward to the hearings regarding this trial. I hope there isn't a publication ban on it.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

DG may have needed to satisfy his sexual frustrations and so he chose to target high-risk lifestyle women. His sexual needs could be a frustration of built up anger and once he has his release he murders them to satisfy/release his anger and contempt. Then he tosses the body, cleans his truck, goes back home for chores.

There is so much more to male sexuality... even in those perverse...

 

[news.talk]

There is so much more to male sexuality... even in those perverse...

Do I dare ask?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Do I dare ask?

To start, research post O letdown... there is an immediate mental and physiological change. Some of the "rage" can also be self hatred.

 

[LoisLane]

To start, research post O letdown... there is an immediate mental and physiological change. Some of the "rage" can also be self hatred.

That is what I meant. Please stop.

 

[LoisLane]

I don't know, I'm pretty sure they offered it up as motive in MSM. Will have to go back to look. To me, that didn't make sense, which is one of the (many) reasons why I'm having difficulty with this one.

It seemed the motive was over a patent. I have difficulty with that one.

 

[news.talk]

To start, research post O letdown... there is an immediate mental and physiological change. Some of the "rage" can also be self hatred.

I am speechless. If I could only see Lois' face right now...