Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #20

[deugirtni]

Yes, that is the quote which I believe came from JO's husband.

Allen Liknes is intent on being present for each and every court appearance of his brother-in-law Douglas Garland, a man he describes as a loner whom he hasn’t seen in more than four years.

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"I*never even knew Doug Garland existed and I highly doubt my mom did, either,” she says. “Sometimes it hits you so hard, and you can’t even breathe. You think I can’t make it through, I can’t do this.” (JO)

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According to a relative of Mr. Liknes, Mr. Garland altered one of the patents and believed he should have been included as one of the inventors. Mr. Liknes paid for the work, but would not give Mr. Garland credit for the invention, said the family member, who described the dispute as “petty.”

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/tag/index.html?b=news.nationalpost.com&t=douglas-garland

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It's unfortunate, but we all know how this is going to end. I already have my tickets to game 7. Sorry Flames.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

He went to the University of Alberta in Edmonton. He didn't finish but faked a degree.

Oh yes of course! Can't believe I didn't clue in, I was thinking high school for some reason. Thanks

 

[news.talk]

It's unfortunate, but we all know how this is going to end. I already have my tickets to game 7. Sorry Flames.

Don't even start. I know where your loyalties lie.

 

[deugirtni]

http://globalnews.ca/video/1439105/amber-alert-police-continue-search-near-airdrie"]http://globalnews.ca/video/1439105/amber-alert-police-continue-search-near-airdrie

July 8, 2014

video is currently 03:18 minutes long

Reid Feist

holding a news conf at 2pm this afternoon
calgary police searching this area
not many new details

at approximately 1;20 into the video (until approx 2;45) BBM:

We do have a little bit more information about Douglas Garland, the person of interest in this case; we spoke to Allen Liknes who is the son of the missing Alvin Liknes; he is married to Garland's sister; and so he told us today on the phone that he was surprised the family was to see Douglas Garland's green pickup, or what appeared to be his pickup, in the pictures last Friday;

He doesn't believe Douglas Garland and his father Alvin Liknes had spoken in about 7 years. Douglas worked for Alvin but apparently when that business faltered, the working relationship ended. It didn't end on a bad note though apparently.

Allen last saw Douglas Garland at Thanksgiving at his in-laws' last fall but he noted that he said Douglas was a bit of a loner and he didn't speak to him that much.

So a little bit more in terms of the connection, which is a pretty obvious part of this investigation here.

Again at 2pm this afternoon we expect some more details as the police and RCMP will update us for the first time since Saturday, but they are warning us that there likely will not be huge developments in this case as the search here at this part of northern H, Airdrie rather, continues here this noon hour.

 

[news.talk]

http://globalnews.ca/video/1439105/amber-alert-police-continue-search-near-airdrie"]http://globalnews.ca/video/1439105/amber-alert-police-continue-search-near-airdrie"]http://globalnews.ca/video/1439105/amber-alert-police-continue-search-near-airdrie

July 8, 2014

video is currently 03:18 minutes long

Reid Feist

holding a news conf at 2pm this afternoon
calgary police searching this area
not many new details

at approximately 1;20 into the video (until approx 2;45) BBM:

Funny how Reid's report contradicts the National Post story. One says they hadn't seen each other in four years, the other at Thanksgiving... One it ended badly, one it didn't end badly... I loathe reporter's.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Funny how Reid's report contradicts the National Post story. One says they hadn't seen each other in four years, the other at Thanksgiving... One it ended badly, one it didn't end badly... I loathe reporter's.

Sounds like some self loathing there... we now know where to look if any reporters go missing.

How much can be blamed on the reporters, and how much can be blamed on saint makers? You will never get the full truth from anyone, especially if they were somehow connected. Downplaying is almost a red flag these days.

 

[news.talk]

Sounds like some self loathing there... we now know where to look if any reporters go missing.

How much can be blamed on the reporters, and how much can be blamed on saint makers? You will never get the full truth from anyone, especially if they were somehow connected. Downplaying is almost a red flag these days.

So true... Your last paragraph that is.

We have certainly discovered that families are the worst sources of information on the victim's. Their perception's are clouded in wishful thinking, while no one challenges their statements. It's a hard interview to undertake though - You don't want to be perceived as victim blaming, and you certainly don't want to come off as a vulture, yet your job is to uncover the truth. That is why I was interested in what exactly LE stated, if anything, in regards to motive.

We will know in a few weeks once and for all, and all the infographics and prayers in the world won't be able to shield the victim's or the accused from the facts.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

So true... Your last paragraph that is.

We have certainly discovered that families are the worst sources of information on the victim's. Their perception's are clouded in wishful thinking, while no one challenges their statements. It's a hard interview to undertake though - You don't want to be perceived as victim blaming, and you certainly don't want to come off as a vulture, yet your job is to uncover the truth. That is why I was interested in what exactly LE stated, if anything, in regards to motive.

We will know in a few weeks once and for all, and all the infographics and prayers in the world won't be able to shield the victim's or the accused from the facts.

Until the publication ban, that is.

 

[news.talk]

Until the publication ban, that is.

It always comes out.... One way or another.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It always comes out.... One way or another.

Yes... but it's just the preliminary hearing. Trial is a ways off. Up to now, we have only been assuming the evidence must be strong. This can still go sideways without explanation, a la Travis Vader.

 

[news.talk]

Yes... but it's just the preliminary hearing. Trial is a ways off. Up to now, we have only been assuming the evidence must be strong. This can still go sideways without explanation, a la Travis Vader.

It will be a very interesting hearing. Very technical and lots of expert witnesses. Imagine the fall out if the Judge decides that there is insufficient evidence to proceed to trial?

 

[Sillybilly]

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[deugirtni]

This was discussed way back too. IIRC, at the same time when Reid was saying this, other MSM were saying the opposite, but the difference was that it was Reid's MSM that actually picked up that phone and had that phone conversation directly with AL2, while the other MSM (at the time) seemed to be getting their information not directly from the horse's mouth, but just from re-doing other MSM's stories.

Funny how Reid's report contradicts the National Post story. One says they hadn't seen each other in four years, the other at Thanksgiving... One it ended badly, one it didn't end badly... I loathe reporter's.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

This was discussed way back too. IIRC, at the same time when Reid was saying this, other MSM were saying the opposite, but the difference was that it was Reid's MSM that actually picked up that phone and had that phone conversation directly with AL2, while the other MSM (at the time) seemed to be getting their information not directly from the horse's mouth, but just from re-doing other MSM's stories.

It's just one example of how what once were thought of as institutions of integrity are nothing more than corruptible, and fallible enterprises.

Simply having title and authority, doesn't make one an authority on anything really, and the job one does is based solely on one's choices and character.

There certainly needs to be more to selecting journalists than looks, sensationalism, and connections. Gone are the days of investigative journalism and pointed, informed questioning.

 

[news.talk]

It's just one example of how what once were thought of as institutions of integrity are nothing more than corruptible, and fallible enterprises.

Simply having title and authority, doesn't make one an authority on anything really, and the job one does is based solely on one's choices and character.

There certainly needs to be more to selecting journalists than looks, sensationalism, and connections. Gone are the days of investigative joirnalism and pointed, informed quesrioning.

Amen. A thousand times.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Amen. A thousand times.

Shall I put that on an infographic for you?

 

[deugirtni]

So soooo true. I just can't believe what I read in some of the MSM stories IRT another case that I follow, actually there are a couple of them currently where it's happening. One reporter's real story, perhaps an exclusive written by actually interviewing real people, takes on a whole new life of its own when other media outlets copy the story, change the wording.. sometimes to have exactly the opposite meaning. Just unbelievable. Then public starts quoting from it, and it's allowed in say places like this, because it appeared in MSM, as if somehow MSM makes it true. Also interesting to me how 2 people can read exact same story, exact same sentence, and get 2 exactly opposite meanings from it.

It's just one example of how what once were thought of as institutions of integrity are nothing more than corruptible, and fallible enterprises.

Simply having title and authority, doesn't make one an authority on anything really, and the job one does is based solely on one's choices and character.

There certainly needs to be more to selecting journalists than looks, sensationalism, and connections. Gone are the days of investigative journalism and pointed, informed questioning.

 

[Slebby]

My 2 cents worth -
LE looked to see if there were any links between DG and murder victim HM, whose body was dumped in a rural area near Airdrie in 2007. The common thread I see here that would make LE look at DG is "rural Airdrie". To my knowledge, nothing came of that investigation.
HM struggled with drug addiction. She was not involved in prostitution. I don't know that Project KARE ever linked her into their investigation, but I believe prostitution is the common link between Project KARE victims.

There are lots of bad guys in the world. The fact that DG is an alleged murderer does not, imo, make him a more likely suspect in the Project KARE cases. The victims are so different - prostitutes/high risk lifestyles versus affluent grandma and grampa (whose grandson was in the wrong place at the wrong time) The murder of the Ls was likely premeditated, the prostitute murders likely crimes of opportunity (that is, any prostitute he could get his hands on would have been sufficient for the killer's needs)

To be fair, we could look at almost anyone convicted of murder in Alberta and say "if he's capable of these murders, he might have committed all these other murders too" - but it just does not ring true for me.

Just my opinion.


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[Lalalacasbah]

My 2 cents worth -
LE looked to see if there were any links between DG and murder victim HM, whose body was dumped in a rural area near Airdrie in 2007. The common thread I see here that would make LE look at DG is "rural Airdrie". To my knowledge, nothing came of that investigation.
HM struggled with drug addiction. She was not involved in prostitution. I don't know that Project KARE ever linked her into their investigation, but I believe prostitution is the common link between Project KARE victims.

There are lots of bad guys in the world. The fact that DG is an alleged murderer does not, imo, make him a more likely suspect in the Project KARE cases. The victims are so different - prostitutes/high risk lifestyles versus affluent grandma and grampa (whose grandson was in the wrong place at the wrong time) The murder of the Ls was likely premeditated, the prostitute murders likely crimes of opportunity (that is, any prostitute he could get his hands on would have been sufficient for the killer's needs)

To be fair, we could look at almost anyone convicted of murder in Alberta and say "if he's capable of these murders, he might have committed all these other murders too" - but it just does not ring true for me.

Just my opinion.



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I get what you're saying Slebby, two types of victim profiles, two types of motives and seems like two different perps.

I think one of the main reasons DG was linked was because there theories and questions regarding whether or not the Parkhill murders were his first kill, as it seemed like the murders were done by someone who has done it before. I'm not sure if that was us on WS thinking that or if LE thinks that, it'll be interesting to see if anything unfolds. The thing is, if LE did find a link from DG to HM, wouldn't they have found it by now and maybe pressing more charges? So maybe no connection?

Morbid thought here - but maybe DG rehearsed on animals too. Or maybe they should look at crimes in BC when he was actively living like a criminal and not being chaperoned by mom and dad.