Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #21

[Kamille]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 30m30 minutes ago
Police never found a ransom demand or suicide note in Liknes home.#garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 30m30 minutes ago
Alexon was asked if he ever found a suicide note on the #Garland farm. His answer was no. Trial is adjourned until 10 am tomorrow.

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 29m29 minutes ago
Alexon says he never found a suicide note or ransom demand in Liknes home. Crown questions done. Cross exam by #Garland lawyers tomorrow

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 29m29 minutes ago
Const. Alexon's evidence in chief done. He'll be cross-examined first thing in the morning. #garland

 

[Wondergirl]

Lucas MeyerVerified account ‏@meyer_lucas 1m1 minute ago
Alexon going over gathering blood evidence to be sent to the lab, as well as documenting fingerprints #Garland #yyc

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 1m1 minute ago
Alexon says chemicals are sprayed in the home to make sure what's in the home is blood and not other stains @CTVCalgary #garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Alexon said there were 100s of case markers in this case. #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 46s47 seconds ago
"We had information it could possibly be a kidnapping or a robbery," says Alexon. Also told Nathan might be hiding. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 34s35 seconds ago
Alexon said they were told to search residence for Nathan O'Brien who might have been hiding. Didn't find him. #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 38s38 seconds ago
Before heading into Liknes home, Alexon was told to look for Nathan O'Brien, 5, who police believed might be hiding in the house #Garland

Michael PlattVerified account ‏@SUNMichaelPlatt 19s19 seconds ago
Cst. Alexon says police working on assumption of abduction and possible robbery in first hours at Liknes home. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 40s40 seconds ago
Police believed Nathan O'Brien might be hiding in Liknes home. "Did you find (him)?" asks Crown. "No we didn't," says Const. Alexon.#garland

God how I wish Nathan had been hiding.

How depressing.[emoji20]

 

[olivebpa1]

According to an expert that testified at the Tim Bosma trial (Tim's body was cremated in an animal incinerator) getting DNA from ashes is impossible. Even bits of bone that were left could not give up DNA so unless there is a difference due to the amount of heat generated in an incinerator vs. a burn barrel I don't think they will be able to get DNA from the ashes.

I think you are right. Even with the bits of bone that were found I don't think they will be able to prove they were human. I think that is why the crown is trying to establish that there was no Livestock on the farm and that DG did not hunt. Defense will probably say they are animal bones.

 

[Kamille]

According to an expert that testified at the Tim Bosma trial (Tim's body was cremated in an animal incinerator) getting DNA from ashes is impossible. Even bits of bone that were left could not give up DNA so unless there is a difference due to the amount of heat generated in an incinerator vs. a burn barrel I don't think they will be able to get DNA from the ashes.

I didn't really follow this case, probably because I spent so much time on the Bosma case, but it really does bring back some bad memories doesn't it? All of this evidence is new to me...and very disturbing.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Welcome to all of our new Sleuthers!

This is the case that originally brought me to Websleuths.
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[garbagetweet]

I think you are right. Even with the bits of bone that were found I don't think they will be able to prove they were human. I think that is why the crown is trying to establish that there was no Livestock on the farm and that DG did not hunt. Defense will probably say they are animal bones.

Considering that the family burned their garbage the bones in the burn barrel could easily also be scrap bones from dinner. Chicken bones, beef/steak bones, etc.

 

[Wondergirl]

I'm fearing that Alvin was made to watch the torture and killing of his wife and Grandson<modsnip>

Agreed.

The thought makes me physically sick.

 

[KMouse]

I guess this is the first clue of what DG's defense is going to be? Perhaps he is suggesting that either AL or KL must have committed a double murder/suicide at his farm? :waitasec:

MOO

The police officers and the daughter had no clue what they walked into.
One of their first thoughts may have been a domestic and then a domestic murder-suicide. But they couldn't find any clues to support that theory.
A home invasion usually leaves the victims alive and at the scene. None of this made sense to anybody.
It's extremely rare for a home invasion-kidnapping-murder and to have two crime scenes.

 

[Tealgrove]

I didn't really follow this case, probably because I spent so much time on the Bosma case, but it really does bring back some bad memories doesn't it? All of this evidence is new to me...and very disturbing.

Hi Kamille, good to see you over here.

I followed both cases and thought the Bosma case was horrendous. It's mild now in comparison to this one. I don't think any of us ever expected the turn that this has taken.

 

[olivebpa1]

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Thanks everyone for the welcome. I started following along on websleuths during the Bosma trial but never got up the nerve to post.

 

[Kamille]

[video=twitter;821862117611433986]https://twitter.com/CBCBryan/status/821862117611433986[/video]

 

[Tealgrove]

God how I wish Nathan had been hiding.

How depressing.[emoji20]

Me too! If only......

It appears that he was right in the middle of the mayhem as it was occurring. It makes me sick to think how scared he must have been.

 

[Wondergirl]

Valerie Fortney
@ValFortney
Mention of black bag with Nathan's Superman cape inside; mom Jennifer testified it was his proud estate sale purchase, 50 cents. #Garland


Breaks my heart!

Omg me too [emoji174]

 

[musicaljoke]

I think you are right. Even with the bits of bone that were found I don't think they will be able to prove they were human. I think that is why the crown is trying to establish that there was no Livestock on the farm and that DG did not hunt. Defense will probably say they are animal bones.

It might also come up with any discussion about owning a meathook.

 

[Kamille]

Considering that the family burned their garbage the bones in the burn barrel could easily also be scrap bones from dinner. Chicken bones, beef/steak bones, etc.

After following the Bosma trial I can assure you that we have some pretty amazing forensic experts in this country that would be able to tell the difference between animal vs human bones, even from very small fragments. It will be interesting to see if any of them will be taking the stand.

MOO

 

[KMouse]

After following the Bosma trial I can assure you that we have some pretty amazing forensic experts in this country that would be able to tell the difference between animal vs human bones, even from very small fragments. It will be interesting to see if any of them will be taking the stand.

MOO

Very true and who would think they would have so much work in the past couple of years.

 

[Leeesh]

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Thanks for the welcome JadeSLeuth also thanks for all your awesome posts!! I'm loving this forum!

 

[musicaljoke]

Omg me too [emoji174]

My little grandson is named Nathan. He's 5. Sometimes I think that the general public could use some basic counselling support.

 

[Wondergirl]

Special appeal to all journalists perusing our thread:

PLEASE use different photos of Alvin and Kathy.

Those photos are their (very serious) passport photos. I know this case very well, I know they are the victims, but so many do not, and everytime I see those photos next to Nathan, I feel they deserve real life photos instead of the criminal like, non-smiling passport photos.

Please - to honour them - please change the pictures.

Thank-you.

WG

 

[Kamille]

Christie Blatchford seems to be pretty thorough with her daily coverage. Here is her take from yesterday...

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...of-accused-killer-douglas-garland-tells-trial